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Everything you write could also be said about Apple's marketing of 64-bit.

Marketing 101 says focus on your strengths and avoid talking about weaknesses.

The reason Apple doesn't talk about RAM is because it is a weakness compared to the competition.

IMO, more RAM is more valuable than 64-bit but you wouldn't know that listening to Apple.

32-bit 2GB RAM > 64-bit 1GB RAM

And yet the iPhone holds more things in RAM than a Note 5 with twice the RAM.
 
And yet the iPhone holds more things in RAM than a Note 5 with twice the RAM.
What a ridiculous comment. Who cares what Samsung can or cannot do? What I do know is that the iPhone will do better with more RAM than without. That's the point.
 
What a ridiculous comment. Who cares what Samsung can or cannot do? What I do know is that the iPhone will do better with more RAM than without. That's the point.

My poor not is that an iPhone with 2gb of RAM is the best phone out now.
 
My poor not is that an iPhone with 2gb of RAM is the best phone out now.
And the most expensive. I hope it would be.

Btw, you're responding to my post from two months ago when I said that 1GB in the iPhone was not enough for multitasking. I guess I was right because Apple added another gig of RAM soon after and all of a sudden multitasking is improved greatly. To the chagrin of Apple fanboys who claimed 1GB was enough.
 
And the most expensive. I hope it would be.

Btw, you're responding to my post from two months ago when I said that 1GB in the iPhone was not enough for multitasking. I guess I was right because Apple added another gig of RAM soon after and all of a sudden multitasking is improved greatly. To the chagrin of Apple fanboys who claimed 1GB was enough.

In all fairness, it worked with 1GB - but the experience was not great.

In turn, in all fairness, 2GB HAS greatly improved the experience as you said.

Apple has always skimped on RAM, even in their desktops. I think we've all come to expect and accept that fact, and when you buy one of their desktops, make sure the RAM is user upgradable.
 
. i think droids are great.. but I HATE and I mean HATE the GUI... I HATE it on my NV shiled for my TV.. but i ONLY have one so I can stream and play my PC games on my TV

This is a crazy quote surely. . You can mirror ios On a droid, you can mirror windows 8 on a droid, you can make it look how you want, so how can you hate the GUI, what a bizarre thing to say...

Unless you are judging the nvidea overlay to be the same for all droids. ..
 
I think people are missing something extremely important when looking at technical specifications. RAM as I always tell people, is like the space on your desk. So the size of the desk is really the basis of the user (in this case the CPU). If Apple is ale to optimize its performance that that of memory management that doesn't use more RAM then good for them.

For consumers, this is just a mental issue. People think more RAM = better system. It depends. I mean if you need more RAM to justify why you own this or any consumer product, you got bigger problems than just RAM.
 
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I think people are missing something extremely important when looking at technical specifications. RAM as I always tell people, is like the space on your desk. So the size of the desk is really the basis of the user (in this case the CPU). If Apple is ale to optimize its performance that that of memory management that doesn't use more RAM then good for them.

For consumers, this is just a mental issue. People think more RAM = better system. It depends. I mean if you need more RAM to justify why you own this or any consumer product, you got bigger problems than just RAM.

You couldn't be more mistaken. Even if I have the fastest CPU, swapping applications from flash will always be slower than swapping from RAM. A fast CPU helps applications run faster. More RAM helps users be more productive when using multiple applications. Because of constant notifications and typical workflow, we bounce from one application to another all the time. More RAM makes that process more efficient. More RAM also helps Safari maintain pages so they don't have to be constantly refreshed over the network.
 
You couldn't be more mistaken. Even if I have the fastest CPU, swapping applications from flash will always be slower than swapping from RAM. A fast CPU helps applications run faster. More RAM helps users be more productive when using multiple applications.

No RAM is only need IF you run out of it. If you have enough RAM while you are swapping back and forth then you case is invalid. Its based on usage models. More RAM, just reduces the changes of any bottlenecks from the system moving data to slower memory.
 
No RAM is only need IF you run out of it. If you have enough RAM while you are swapping back and forth then you case is invalid. Its based on usage models. More RAM, just reduces the changes of any bottlenecks from the system moving data to slower memory.

Of course. But with newer releases of iOS and a 64-bit CPU, free memory after iOS loaded was a paltry 300MB. Not enough for more than one app let alone more than a few tabs in Safari.
 
Of course. But with newer releases of iOS and a 64-bit CPU, free memory after iOS loaded was a paltry 300MB. Not enough for more than one app let alone more than a few tabs in Safari.


300MB is concerning, yes that I do agree. But 2GB should be more than adequate. Anything more than this is just Spec whores who need justification that they have the very best. I don't think I ever complained about even 1GB of RAM. Its more that..when other manufactures are putting 3, 4, 8..etc and from a value proposition, you always want more of anything even if you aren't going to use.
 
300MB is concerning, yes that I do agree. But 2GB should be more than adequate. Anything more than this is just Spec whores who need justification that they have the very best. I don't think I ever complained about even 1GB of RAM. Its more that..when other manufactures are putting 3, 4, 8..etc and from a value proposition, you always want more of anything even if you aren't going to use.
I wonder why Apple put 4GB in the IPP then? It's not like the apps are any different today. Multitasking is the same as the iPad Air 2, too.
 
for a LONG time ipads have been more power than a Ps3 but lacked free memory to do much about it.... now that we have 2GB for phones, 2GB for ipads and 4 for the pros, we are going to see some VERY powerful gaming and productivity apps

Are you saying my iPad can run COD: Black Ops 3 in better graphics than my ps3 with enough RAM?

this does not sound right
 
I wonder why Apple put 4GB in the IPP then? It's not like the apps are any different today. Multitasking is the same as the iPad Air 2, too.
Here's the problem, due to Apple being cheapskates for so little long with ram the installed base of 2gb/4gb iOS devices are too small for devs to write games exclusively for them. It's going to be a number of years before devs make games that will only run on 2gb on up.
 
Are you saying my iPad can run COD: Black Ops 3 in better graphics than my ps3 with enough RAM?

this does not sound right
If it were ram related then iOS devices should of had better graphics for a while as they have had double the ram the PS3 has for a while.
 
You couldn't be more mistaken. Even if I have the fastest CPU, swapping applications from flash will always be slower than swapping from RAM. A fast CPU helps applications run faster. More RAM helps users be more productive when using multiple applications. Because of constant notifications and typical workflow, we bounce from one application to another all the time. More RAM makes that process more efficient. More RAM also helps Safari maintain pages so they don't have to be constantly refreshed over the network.

Except RAM has to eat power when idle while flash doesn't.

Besides, how strong the hardware isn't the same thing as intelligently utilize said hardware. If loading from flash is already instantaneously to the end user then there is no reason to cache it in RAM to waste power.

Then there are times where no amount of hardware is going to solve an inherent software bottleneck e.g RAMdisk on a PC will not load games instantly, even decade old ones.
 
Except RAM has to eat power when idle while flash doesn't.

Besides, how strong the hardware isn't the same thing as intelligently utilize said hardware. If loading from flash is already instantaneously to the end user then there is no reason to cache it in RAM to waste power.

Then there are times where no amount of hardware is going to solve an inherent software bottleneck e.g RAMdisk on a PC will not load games instantly, even decade old ones.

Again, completely mistaken.

Flash uses much more power than RAM when being accessed. And the access speeds are orders of magnitude faster than flash. This is basic stuff.

Sure, it does use a small amount of power when powered off but that is infinitesimal and the performance gains of more RAM far outweigh the power loss. And since when has anyone complained about battery life on an iPad? But many complain about Safari tabs reloading.

The ONLY reason Apple skimps on RAM is because of cost.
 
Again, completely mistaken.

Flash uses much more power than RAM when being accessed. And the access speeds are orders of magnitude faster than flash. This is basic stuff.

Sure, it does use a small amount of power when powered off but that is infinitesimal and the performance gains of more RAM far outweigh the power loss. And since when has anyone complained about battery life on an iPad? But many complain about Safari tabs reloading.

The ONLY reason Apple skimps on RAM is because of cost.

Not entirely true. When iphone 6 was released, LPDDR4 was not yet being released. Don't know why they are reluctant to add up 2GB using LPDDR3, but if they want to skimp on RAM, why with iphone 6s release they added in LPDDR4? They could have used LPDDR3...
 
Not entirely true. When iphone 6 was released, LPDDR4 was not yet being released. Don't know why they are reluctant to add up 2GB using LPDDR3, but if they want to skimp on RAM, why with iphone 6s release they added in LPDDR4? They could have used LPDDR3...
Because that's the latest memory standard available. Just like they use the latest LTE chips instead of ones from a year ago.
 
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