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M4 were good gains. I expect the M5 to be minimal improvements and the M6 to bring have another big leap.
M4 was good gains IN THE CPU. These chips have many moving pieces...

Apple seems to have moved to a 2 yr design cadence on both CPU and GPU, so it's reasonable to expect that the GPU will improve a lot this year, while CPU changes will be minor (though presumably cleaning up SSVE so that it's at least performant, not utterly useless?)

Unclear what the ANE cadence is, but my guess is that's now "strategic" enough that any plans set a few years ago have been abandoned and it will be "as improved as is feasible throwing as many engineers as feasible at the problem".
 
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Competition stimulates business and brings us advantages.

That's why another chip provider is an advantage for us as a customer.
Forces Apple to invest more and therefore innovate.

In truth, the causality appears to have flowed the other way... Apple has forced everyone else to invest and innovate.

Again.
 
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You're still reading news articles from the 90's. You need to scroll ahead in your feed and catch up. It might make you feel better to think this way in the short term, but one underestimates and denigrates their competition at their own peril.
Maybe...
It remains a fact that every CPU I know of out of China is very disappointing. They're all foreign ISA (eg x86 or ARM or MIPS or RISC-V) and the performance is what, in the US, you'd consider 3rd tier. I also don't think I've ever seen any interesting micro-architectural ideas in the literature.

And certainly the shenanigans with ARM China don't help in dispelling the claim that they've stolen whatever they wanted...

I wouldn't want to make any claims about whether this is structural, or bad incentives, or poor college education (and everyone who is any good at CPU design goes to the US and then works at a US or Taiwanese company).
I'm simply pointing out that this is what we have seen so far.

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OK, I've had a chance to skim Twitter (the ONLY useful source of truth when it comes to anything technical) and this is basically a big nothingburger. The CPU and GPU are both ARM.
Huawei IP is the ISP and NPU (which it already was in prior chips).

In the case of Apple, their version of this step was the A4, with clear plans (though we didn't know them at the time) for the A5, A6, and then A7. And there was sophisticated Apple IP on the chip (eg, the NoC and memory controller, and the strategy for abstracting out IO) though again we did not know it at the time.

But in this case I think even that is assuming too much. This is just this year's Huawei SoC, like last year's Huawei SoC and the year before that.
Journalists bothering to publish Huawei's "Rivals Apple" hype are being played! Pure and simple. There is nothing interesting and significant here.

Noteworthy elements include
- the area devoted to the NPU is, eyeballing it, about 1.5x the area devoted to "two P cores". For A18 Pro these areas are about the same. This COULD represent the NPU being less efficient. Or it could represent the sensible decision (one Apple will likely follow) that NPU is important enough, and the field is fluid enough, that might as well give it some extra area just for future-roofing

- ISP appears massive, like as much area as NPU. Again unclear if this represents low efficiency or Huawei knowing their market, and knowing that their users really really care about computational photography.

Of course these comments assume the chip annotation is correct, which may be optimistic...
I'm not sure the extent to which Geekerwan and friends are doing this by genuine knowledge as opposed to vibes...

 
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The company plans to invest heavily in IP theft, aided (required) by their overlords.
 
M4 were good gains. I expect the M5 to be minimal improvements and the M6 to bring have another big leap.
One exception to that may be an M5 Ultra, should be a big jump from the M3 ultra (assuming they dont either lag a generation and introduce an M4 ultra with the M5 max or just wait for the M6 for the next ultra and leave those procs at M3 for a couple gens)
 
A review shows the performance close to 8 Elite.

 
M4 were good gains. I expect the M5 to be minimal improvements and the M6 to bring have another big leap.
I expect the opposite since M6 will come with OLEDs anyway, and therefor doesnt have to be the driver for upgrades. M5 series on the other hand will not draw any upgraders if mediocre, with OLEDs around the corner.
 
I’m so excited for M5 now, I’m hoping Apple runs away even tho I am good with the my M4’s right now. This just means whenever I upgrade again, it will be BIGGGG
Meanwhile, as soon as it is released, and first to post are the winners. "Why so fast? Why so Thin? "Why so light?" I didn't ask for this!

"I do not need them any faster. All that matters is ME and what I do with my new $1500 Mac, and I want it to be thick and slow so I can Instagram better. What else would anyone use a computer for?"
 
As much as I’m just put off by anything Chinese, this competition is a great thing for us consumers. I’m living in fairytale land where Apple will drop prices to remain competitive. Turns out they’re o ly dropping them in China 😂
 
If you think what is article describes is actually 'competition' then you don't understand how the CCP operates.
If that's is how you think Chinese companies operate it's you who don't understand how the CPC operates in the corporate space.
 
Maybe...
It remains a fact that every CPU I know of out of China is very disappointing. They're all foreign ISA (eg x86 or ARM or MIPS or RISC-V) and the performance is what, in the US, you'd consider 3rd tier. I also don't think I've ever seen any interesting micro-architectural ideas in the literature.

And certainly the shenanigans with ARM China don't help in dispelling the claim that they've stolen whatever they wanted...

I wouldn't want to make any claims about whether this is structural, or bad incentives, or poor college education (and everyone who is any good at CPU design goes to the US and then works at a US or Taiwanese company).
I'm simply pointing out that this is what we have seen so far.

Ok, so I assume you recognize that I wasn't responding to you, and you've contributed to the conversation by narrowing the discussion to a single technology as opposed to an overly broad overgeneralization. That makes it an easier, less offensive discussion.

It's worth starting by point out that to Apple (a US company), Arm (originally a UK company) is also a foreign ISA.

So why change it? Everyone starts by copying what works before building on it. That's how technology is developed. CPU development got a strong start in the US, building on ideas that came out of Europe and Britain in particular (from Babbage and Lovelace through Turing). It's a false narrative that inventions come out of brilliant bursts of thought from singular minds-- everything is incremental.

So can China make a high performance CPU? Certainly-- whether now or in the near future. They made the transition from agrarian society to industrial powerhouse. As they're being denied access to foreign technology, I have no doubt they will make the transition from industrial to high tech. Thinking they as a nation or a people are somehow incapable of it is foolish.
 
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Good to know about this. Always good to have competition. Waiting to see its real world performance.
 
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This is interesting in light of Patrick McGee's Apple in China book. I wonder how much expertise Apple inadvertently contributed towards Xiaomi's advancements.
 
Why the hack is TSMC making this for them. and when I said "them" I mean the CCP.
 
Give it a few weeks/months and Taiwan will become Chinese again.

Truly amazing. Let me just congratulate Emperor Xi in advance — he’ll soon be reaping the dividends: a brand-new Nvidia AI headquarters, gift-wrapped from the so-called 'soon-to-be' province. What a genius move.
 
If you don’t think Xiaomi can innovate, go check out the camera design on Xiaomi high end phones. It’s industry leading among phones and the Leica lense partnership has some amazing results paired with the 1” sensor. I was between the Xiaomi 14 ultra and the Pixel 9 pro. Wound up going with google for us native compatibility/simplicity but Xiaomi (if it comes to the us) could really take off. Here’s the 15 ultra. Check out the independent reviews rather than take my word for it. https://www.mi.com/global/product/xiaomi-15-ultra/
 
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A few days ago, Xiaomi announced that it'll be using the next Snapdragon 8 in its flagship devices and signed a 15-year agreement to continue doing so with Qualcomm. Xiaomi's in-house design is not for the high-end.
No. You misunderstood the article. Qualcomm and xiaomi have already been working together for 15 years. The new agreement is only described as being a “multi year” agreement. Meaning at least 2. No phone maker would or should ever sign a 15 year agreement to use processors. Look what happened to intel in 15 years.
 
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