Technically, Oppo and Vivo are both sub-brands of one company, BBK Electronics. So if you add their share together, Apple actually falls to fourth place.
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Xiaomi Surpasses Apple to Become Number Two Worldwide Smartphone Vendor in Q2 2021
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It also means the same thing it's always meant. There is Ford and there is BMW and Mercedes. And there is KIA and Honda. Different markets, different products. And no Monopoly.
Wait... would that put Apple in fifth place now?
Apple's definitely not a monopoly then...
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Ford has Lincoln, Honda has Acura, Toyota had Lexus, Nissian has Infinity… And all of these brand compete with BMW and Mercedes…
Yup. “Market share = sole deciding factor of monopoly” argument sets foot here as well. If that’s the case, Google should not be charged with anti competitive behaviours.
Thankfully that’s not the case, for now.
Thankfully that’s not the case, for now.
I’ve never seen a Xiaomi mobile device in the wild in my life 🤷♂️😂
someone actually understands the meaning of monopoly.
Google, Samsung, Amazon and others are App Store Operators. Apple is not a monopoly in the market of app stores.
Google is very close to a monopoly in the web search space.
But when you go into the new Google store, Google certainly is a monopoly in the Google store. Walmart too! When you go into a Walmart store it is a Walmart monopoly in there!
Lame...
It’s good for companies like Xiaomi to proliferate, its founder publicly promised to always keep the company’s profit margin to be under 10%. The more sales from a company like this, the lower development/operational/marketing costs shared by each unit sales, the lower overall costs on each unit, the lower the products would be sold.
I really hope Apple to follow suit and sell its products 25% cheaper (it still carries 10%+ profit margin in that way).
I really hope Apple to follow suit and sell its products 25% cheaper (it still carries 10%+ profit margin in that way).
Really? I've never heard that Apple's hardware phone business was a monopoly. Not to mention, the other companies are not in the US so a "monopoly" would not apply here...
Great use of the 'well then define' a general term.
For most, they have a general sense of the different market spaces -- that around 150 to 200$ is the low cost market space, 1200$ is the about the high cost market space, the mid space is shocking in the middle of that. But For those wanting to demand Xaomi isn't selling a lot in the low cost market space, I guess they wouldn't know that? Except Xaomi itself knows it and even says it.
--"Xaomi noted that the average selling price of its smartphone sales were 45% below Samsung's average price and 75% below Apple's average selling price".
--"Xiaomi's growth is thanks to overseas business, with the company increasing shipments by more than 300 percent in Latin America, 150 percent in Africa"
(Markets Apple barely competes in due to it not competing in the lower cost market space. That is reality to anyone who cares to look up the data).
--"Going forward, to overtake Samsung, Canalys suggests that Xiaomi will need to increase its sales of high-end devices like the Mi 11 Ultra, which is priced at over $900. So a major priority for Xiaomi this year is to grow sales of its high-end devices, such as the Mi 11 Ultra. But it will be a tough battle"
**(those statements are in large part from the firm that put out these smartphone share percentages)
Now I'm sure to you Xaomi's phones are the best of the best, so that makes them the high end space even at way below cost of the companies that actually occupy the higher end space (and that is according to the data form itself).
You want to peddle free advertising for Xaomi aside, go ahead. You're wrong, you've been shown wrong, it's all there, period.
You still provide no hard data. So all your argument is just guess.
Apple maintaining high profit margins and high selling prices eventually will result in the PC/Mac scenario where Android will dominate, most apps will be Android only and Apple will need a Boot Camp for Android.
Come on.
Google allowed alternative App Store under Android. Google publish Android source code and you can make folk version of Android.
We all know there is no App Store competitor, no other manufacturer making iOS devices, you need get ****ing license to produce lightning cable.
Apple has control of its own ecosystem down to the teeth. If you are developer want making decent earning, you have no choice but support iOS and pay Apple sweet 30%.
Apple not longer get sued left and right by different countries for its monopolistic behavior. There is very good reason for that
Microsoft produce no hardware and there are plenty of competing browsers back in 90s, yet still get sued.
along with the vast majority of Chinese manufacturers. Although it has taken a while for any of them to even get passing grades. My time with QC over there was as witness to a cacophony of errors.
Correct.
But remember Microsoft had 90% of the US desktop computer market in the 90's
Some would argue that Apple having 51% of the US smartphone market still wouldn't classify them as a monopoly.
And also... the former Microsoft case and the upcoming Apple case are very different for a lot of reasons. Perhaps we should stop mentioning Microsoft every time Apple and Anti-Trust are discussed.
Hell... the AT&T anti-trust case and breakup in the 80's might be more akin to the Apple case. Or maybe not.
The point is... there are other anti-trust cases to cite. You don't always have to go for Microsoft...
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And yet Apple users still complain about the high price of the SE. And moving to India is simply about diversification in the supply chain to avoid tariff wars and bad press coming from China. Let's face it, no one has ever struggled over deciding to buy a Xiaomi phone or an Apple phone.Creating the SE and moving some manufacturing to India means Apple does care (to some extent) about quantity.
Apple starting iPhone 12 production in India; Analysts say 2021 could be its best year
Apple Iphone 12: Apple, though, isn't yet starting manufacturing of its Pro models under the iPhone 12 series and will continue to import for domestic demand.telecom.economictimes.indiatimes.com
NEW DELHI: Apple is starting production of its latest 5G-ready iPhone 12 smartphone in India for local customers, deepening its local manufacturing operations, a move which analysts say would help the Cupertino-based company reduce the high cost of the imported device due to an import duty levy and boost its volume share further in the world’s second largest market.
An aside, the obvious point you overlook is in no way, shape or form is the Apple Ecosystem something you need to buy. In your own words there is a Google app store and others. So I'm sure it doesn't escape you that the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th largest smartphone makers in the world sell Android. See how much choice you have and how choice works?
But now see what you want to do? But but if may the choice to buy Apple I don't have choice of stores to get the plethora of app makers offerings! Do you notice any of that?
If you don't you don't care for reality. But assuming you do then you'd know that Apple's App Store is the Apple App Store just like Walmart, just like any store. And if you don't want to use that store then don't, see the paragraph above.
In the meantime you can dispense with your odd sense of entitlement that most Apple users prefer Apple's offering of the secure, easiest to use eco. Because the argument that I don't have choice if I make that Apple choice is laughable.
Apple getting sued is proof of nothing except Apple getting sued. That you use that is telling. Large companies (like your fav Google) gets sued too. What that means to Google is that they are getting sued not proof of anything more. But nice try...