Yup. Just as Samsung tries to make good phones that cost more but are still spoiled by horrible hardware and software integration. Apple faces a lot of competition. More than in automotive.
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Exactly, It was the desktop OS penetration that was dooming Microsoft.
I didn't know you had a time machine. When will this happen? Weren't we told this years ago? And you think the app market will look the same in 5 years as it does now and there will be no changes in hardware and Android will always be the other market choice? It's a fine opinion. That's been said since 2008. Good luck. I mean, we all know there's only 2 car makers and two tv brands ETC. Right?
And yet Apple is accused of being a monopoly and worthy of anti-trust actions even though Apple does not dominate ANY tech market in terms of sales and number of users. Go figure.
Exactly.
And also it was Microsoft forcing PC OEMs like Dell and HP to do certain things or else they wouldn't get Windows licenses. Microsoft was seen as a bully.
Apple doesn't have that problem. It's all them. It's their hardware, their software, etc.
Some people like to say Apple has a "monopoly" on their own products. To which I laugh.
You only hear that from those that have absolutely no clue what the term means
I don't understand what you are trying to say other than you like when companies lower their prices. Your point is not actually economically true. Companies charge what they can get. Not a formulaic proportion of unit sales. You have it backwards. You take those things into consideration (unit sales, cheap software because you don't develop it yourself you license it from Google ETC) but no company charges less then they can get. These phone companies are trying to use saturation and price techniques to compete almost always in markets where there is demand for cheaper products. They charge, not out of an altruistic calling, but what they think they can get to try and build market share. If they are Chinese they are already being supported by the national government. Same with Korean companies. Don't forget that aspect.
Wow, what's it like on the planet you live on. How many light years is it from Earth? Just asking.
I find that market share numbers are less interesting than profit share numbers. Remember when Apple had > 100% of profit available in the mobile space a few years ago? Today the loss leaders are mostly gone so it's down from there. I did see a report that in 2019 Apple earned 66% of mobile profits, curious where that stands now.
Report: Apple has 66% of the profits of the entire worldwide smartphone market with only 20% market share.
People: "APPLE IS CHARGING TOO MUCH!!!"
Well that is Apple's choice isn't it? Or is that Apple being monopolistic too by choosing their to only let Apple be Apple in that market space pricing? (those third biggest smartphone maker in the world monopolistic villains!).
Fyi, when I switched from the Galaxy to an iPhone 6+, one of the tough things to get used to was the lack of apps compared to my previous Android. Hey, how'd these last years work out for Apps availability for the platforms.
Another fyi (not that data will necessarily be important to you):
Gross Profit Margins (rounded to nearest point)
Apple: 38%
Samsung Electronics: 38% (oh no!)
Microsoft: 70+%
Google: 50+%
(it's all there in quarterly P/Ls.....oh no!).
Third fyi, Apple could become a lower cost seller. They'd decrease GP but would offset it with increased volume. But that would be a shame as Apple would no longer be what it is now: the best Consumer Electronics Ecosystem Experience seller in the history of the planet. You'd be sad by that too, right?
OnePlus isn't a top five phone vendor, though. So Apple is still in fourth place.Wait... would that put Apple in fifth place now?
Apple's definitely not a monopoly then...
Think the quality of apps will matter more. I only have friends comments after switching from Droid to iOS and they are happier with the choices and consistent app behavior. I guess it's all down to taste and expectations. But I'm not sure apps will continue to mean as much. I already don't think they do. I don't look for apps as often or download as many. I buy fewer too. That may be because I'm older. I have teens and they too seem to have leveled way off. I think a massive proportion of Droid apps are me-to apps, useless apps, niche apps or simply stealing data. Having developed for both platforms I can tell you that getting mic, speaker and camera access of Droid was so easy it was unnerving and you didn't have tell a user much. So Droid definitely has a more open os from the very fundamentals. I'd guess because it was put together quickly and cheaply. And Samsung profits, historically twin a lot more. Are you looking at just Samsung mobile or the 'we will make everything anywhere and with massive assistance from the Korean Govt' numbers?
Exactly.
And also it was Microsoft forcing PC OEMs like Dell and HP to do certain things or else they wouldn't get Windows licenses. Microsoft was seen as a bully.
Apple doesn't have that problem. It's all them. It's their hardware, their software, etc.
Some people like to say Apple has a "monopoly" on their own products. To which I laugh.
Microsoft wasn't a bully, they'd have to have softened up to be just considered a bully. As one OEM said at the time, dealing with Microsoft was like being attacked by a knife.
What Microsoft did is what often happens when a corporation becomes a monopoly (good thing they didn't and no other company became a monopoly in the web search business
). They get bunker mentality that if you screw with us you'll be snuffed out like a bug (Microsoft would even just move in and accept the protracted lawsuit payout down the line). It largely can't be helped, it's just how the corporate system works. And it is apt to produce some crap that still has massive sales (Vista, ME). Apple exhibits none of these tell tale signs. Apple still operates as if they could be knocked down and has to fight for it. Good, we always want corporations feeling like they have to fight hard to keep their business else they'll lose a lot of it quickly (something Microsoft wasn't worried about in 2000). But Microsoft was hardly hurt, their revenue, GP and market cap are massive. And for some odd reason their name is never mentioned with "Big tech" Apple-Google-Facebook. Huh, strange isn't it that the second biggest high tech company that has an overwhelming share of the business/gov desktiop market is rarely mentioned almost in this 'Big Tech' media blitz? Strange...
Persons who buy any of these brands never had any interest in buying an iPhone anyway; just as they never had any interest in buying a Mac. Apple was never dominant seller of computers but they sure made healthy profits while Windows PC makers raced to the bottom. It’s the same every other category: smart watches, tablets, head phones etc.
We all know those students forced to use Chromebooks high school are not happy with them and as soon as they head for college it’s mommy/daddy, MacBook Pro please!
Apple will be alright. I have all my purchases planned out and even though I will take a detour next year to pick up a Windows 11 notebook to replace my Surface Pro 3, it’s Apple there after.
We all know those students forced to use Chromebooks high school are not happy with them and as soon as they head for college it’s mommy/daddy, MacBook Pro please!
Apple will be alright. I have all my purchases planned out and even though I will take a detour next year to pick up a Windows 11 notebook to replace my Surface Pro 3, it’s Apple there after.
The Samsung GP number is an average of 12 quarters for Samsung electronics. I'm not sure they break out the smartphone line item. I couldn't find their latest quarter or TTM. However, I'd be shocked if their GP isn't relatively similar every year. Many people don't know (not directed at you) that the health of a company's GP and stock has a tangible correlation on how well a company operates in the near term.
Agreed about Apps, a lot are useless, though we don't know where new Apps may take us. But their ebb, if it happens, will be a while. Wedbush says Apple's Service line item will grow by near 20% this quarter. App Store is killin it. But Google's Play Store is killin killin it, % jump galore supposedly coming. Fyi, I rarely buy apps. I also don't know anyone who has gone iOS to Android. Most don't switch but the few who did that I know it has been Android to iOS.
Regarding the Droid security privacy? Thanks for the info, I already knew it was not good, more info is better to know. It's my only really huge issue with Android. If I had to I could live with the plus/minus differences (of which I think, personally, Apple has more + but it wouldn't;t be bad over there --->). IMHO Google knows the surveillance capitalism is tenuous -- that's in fair part because of Apple. Look to see Google diversify revenue away from being the worlds biggest advertising company including electronics and Play Store as long as apps are big revenue.
It’s good to have options. One size doesn’t fit all.Exactly.
I counted over 60 smartphones on Xiaomi's website.
You know full well Apple is the sole App Store operator for iPhone and iPad apps. On android, google is not a monopoly (in the android App Store operator market) because other android app stores exist, like Amazon, Samsung, and so on. Come on.
I am not surprised. Apple is getting too expensive and not enough features that make you want to upgrade each year. Still no 120hz screen, no 5x optical zoom, no 108MP photo, no shooting in 8K!
Can you describe the market Apple “monopolizes” without naming Apple or one of their products?