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Does it matter what others are doing?! Apple has got their own marketing and sales strategy. They’ve never been about price matching with other manufacturers.

Actually let’s look at what other manufacturers are providing.

- name another company in the smartphone industry with Apple’s level of customer service.

- name another company with such a robust and seamless ecosystem.

- name another company with such a cohesive cross device cloud platform based integration.

- name another company that builds all of their hardware so good that they support them for over 5 years.


A) Samsung has their stores which I might say feel superior to the Apple stores. It’s more open and less geek then the Apple store with the same amount of service the one time I used them

B) you can argue with Samsung and to an extent google

C) google is better tbh and I use more google services then apples because I switch between platforms a lot


D) support and usability is two different things.



You need to take those Apple googles off seriously lol.
 
Yes but the irony is that you forget to take the distance into account.
Anyway the ppi is not there to hide the pixels to your sight. It affects the best properties of a good screen. Like contrast.
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Yes, that is my problem with the Xr. A $50 phone have an lcd screen of about the same dpi and technology . If you are happy with that, enjoy your phone !!
This year i keep my old iphone until i think the upgrade is worst. For me : Xs Max it's to expensive for what it deliver, and the Xr is "cheaper" but expensive for what it is.

That’s why worth is a subjective thing. For me Xs max is well worth the money.
 
You don’t have to wait until next week to compare the quality of the Xr screen to what’s currently out there: quality wise it will be more or less identical to the 8... it just has more pixels. If anything, the Xr could be better in terms of color reproduction, but for a “basic quality” comparison purposes, it can be considered the same as the 8 LCD.

In case you’re jonsing for another anecdote about Xr screen vs OLED, I just, for the first time, compared my wife’s 8 side by side with the Xs, here goes.

The Xs screen definitely “popped” more color and contrast wise, this was even before I put the 8 next to it, which is a good thing. When I put the 8 next to it, the whites/beige colors looked muddy on the 8 while the Xs looks crisp. Surprisingly though, the blacks in the 8 held up to the blacks on the OLED, but likely because of the bright lights. In a dimmer setting, I’d imagine the OLED would show its superiority for black. I watched a YouTube video on both, and I will say the video on the Xs was more pleasant, not because of higher resolution, but because of the color and contrast. Also, it was ever slightly larger on the Xs, but not by much. This was a 16:9 video, if it was a larger ratio video, the Xs would have been much bigger than the 8. That said, if I didn’t have them side by side, I probably would have enjoyed the video in the 8 just as much seeing how it’s such a small screen to begin with.

Now, the biggest problem I had with the OLED was viewing angles. If I even tilted it modestly, the colors turned from a pleasantly warm, yellowish tone to a much cooler blue. And I didn’t even have to tilt it much, maybe 5-10 degrees at most. While I don’t have a huge preference for one or the other color temperature, the fact that it changes so easily at such a shallow angle would bug the sh*t out of me.

As for resolution differences, as I alluded before, this was not a concern for me between the two displays at all. For the 8, I have to put the phone uncomfortably close to my face to see the jagged edges of small text. While the Xs probably won’t have as much jaggedness at the same distance, I would never put a phone so close to my face under normal use. As for video, on a screen this size, you’d be lying if you say you could tell a difference unless the 1080p video was near uncompressed and at a super high bit rate.
 
That’s why worth is a subjective thing. For me Xs max is well worth the money.
Sure, but for now i think that there is NO phone in the market worth $1000 or more.
750 is a good price FOR A FLAGSHIP. Maybe the market go to that mark and i will have no more options but i could wait happy with my 7 plus , until i think it's worth the upgrade
 
Sure, but for now i think that there is NO phone in the market worth $1000 or more.
750 is a good price FOR A FLAGSHIP. Maybe the market go to that mark and i will have no more options but i could wait happy with my 7 plus , until i think it's worth the upgrade

Oh please. You want Apple to sell a phone with $450 of parts, without R&D, marketing, packaging, customer service, etc. for $750?

Keep dreaming on that one. It costs Oneplus 18,000 Indian rupees from what I could find to build the Oneplus 6, about $245 US Dollars, and they sell it for over double the parts cost starting at $529. And what is the support chain for problems with their phones or Oneplus stores; zero in the US at least. Those cost $$$ to have when you need them too and built into the device price.

Apple spent $10 BILLION on R&D in 2016 http://time.com/4339940/apple-rd-research-development/ More than the total profits of some companies total.

Dont be fooled that anyone is giving customers a "deal"

And the actual facts show the XS/Max are NOT been the highest profit margin phones for Apple by the numbers at 64%. From Business Insider: "That would mean initial profit on an iPhone 6 is about 73% of the $849 price ($619.77). On iPhone 6 Plus it's 75% of $949 (or $711.75). "

More expensive parts = more expensive phones.
 
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Does it matter what others are doing?! Apple has got their own marketing and sales strategy. They’ve never been about price matching with other manufacturers.

Actually let’s look at what other manufacturers are providing.

- name another company in the smartphone industry with Apple’s level of customer service.

- name another company with such a robust and seamless ecosystem.

- name another company with such a cohesive cross device cloud platform based integration.

- name another company that builds all of their hardware so good that they support them for over 5 years.
Stop making excuses for Apple! Stop being offended by someone else's opinion of what Apple is doing! No body is telling you to not buy their phones or products! Apple could be offering more to their customers for $750 but people like you make excuses for them which is why they were able to release the same device for 3 years in a row with only incremental upgrades. Until people demand more, Apple will continue down their path of offering last years technology at next years prices!
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Sure, but for now i think that there is NO phone in the market worth $1000 or more.
750 is a good price FOR A FLAGSHIP. Maybe the market go to that mark and i will have no more options but i could wait happy with my 7 plus , until i think it's worth the upgrade
Name another company offering a flagship device for $750 not named OnePlus.... the XR is not a flagship device!
 
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One thing you must say for the non-released XR, it has certainly generated some hilarious internet threads! :cool:

Yeap, I’d agree with that!

If anyone is actually interested, the XR uses Japan Displays, or JDI, ‘Full Active’ screen technology, it is the first company from what I can tell who has made flexible LCD screens hence thin bezels and the notch cut out.
Good report with some videos on it here:

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Apple-iPhone-9s-Full-Active-display-specs-allow-for-a-lower-price_id101910

It’s actually cutting edge tech and probably more advanced then OLED currently. I bet anything the new iPad Pros use the exact same tech but no one will complain about the PPI on those.
 
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I demand 8k for my 6” screen.

Honestly I don’t understand the sales pitch of HDR on a such a small screen. The screen on the max looks awesome. The screen on the 8plus, guess what, looks awesome.
iPad, awesome.
I don’t think we wil hear many complaints outside this site and those similar.
However there will be countless complaints here and on YouTube. Then there will be the handful of those that their son tells their 60 year old mom to go to Apple and spend $1400 on a phone to play candy crush. The first things the mom says in when she gets to the store is: I heard, read on the internet, my son told me, saw a YouTube video saying.........
 
People are not spoiled, it's like Lcd TFT vs Lcd IPS . If you look a Tft screen after owning an IPS or OLED it looks washed out and ugly. It's inherent to new technology. I have a lot of examples: 720p was great until 1080p came out, and so on. The 2013 Mustang was insane at that time but now looks old.
BTW I think you are wrong. Best products from Samsung are OLED.
Samsung does not make consumer OLED panels. Samsung has QLED. Only LG manufactures OLED panels currently. I think Panasonic may have one now (but the panel may be an LG). Sony's OLED TVs are LG panels...
 
It’s all good but I think apple cuts too much on it and if smaller it might be worthwhile. Value wise I’d rather spend a few extra hundred and get a better iPhone. XS/XS Max resales for more so it’s not a big deal.

And of course, that's absolutely your prerogative as a customer. You'd prefer to make zero compromises. I get that. I'd prefer to make a couple of compromises and save a few hundred bucks. I don't think that's an unreasonable position.

This is the benefit of having options. That's what Apple is giving us here. If you're right, and the market decides (collectively) that few customers want an iPhone with compromises, then Apple won't sell as many as they want...and they'll take the "compromised" X model off the drawing board for 2019. Or, maybe they'll add back a couple of features so the lesser/cheaper model is closer to the top of the range. Apple likes money...they're not going to continue producing/marketing a model that doesn't sell.

Let's allow the market to speak, and see whether or not Apple knows its customer base.
 
I can't say as I have ever watched an hour of YouTube on any phone.

But when I do watch it I set it to 480p. And this is on my Pixel 2 XL 2880×1440 at 538 ppi. I have set it to 1080p and 1440p and don't see that much of a difference. It's a small screen. Not a 70" 4k set.

I'm so glad I save my display pickiness for big screens and not phones.

How can you not see the difference? For me 720p and 1080p YouTube have a marked difference in detail even on a phone size screen.
 
People are not spoiled, it's like Lcd TFT vs Lcd IPS . If you look a Tft screen after owning an IPS or OLED it looks washed out and ugly. It's inherent to new technology. I have a lot of examples: 720p was great until 1080p came out, and so on. The 2013 Mustang was insane at that time but now looks old.
BTW I think you are wrong. Best products from Samsung are OLED.


You mean TN vs IPS. All LCDs are TFT. So its TFT TN vs TFT IPS.
 
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How can you not see the difference? For me 720p and 1080p YouTube have a marked difference in detail even on a phone size screen.
Could be because I don't have perfect eyesight. Maybe because a perfect image on a 6" display doesn't matter as much to me. I don't know. I just know that 480p for YouTube videos on my phone is more than adequate in most instances.

Now on my 4k set I can tell the difference. Anything less than 1080p and I can't watch it.
 
Stop making excuses for Apple! Stop being offended by someone else's opinion of what Apple is doing! No body is telling you to not buy their phones or products! Apple could be offering more to their customers for $750 but people like you make excuses for them which is why they were able to release the same device for 3 years in a row with only incremental upgrades. Until people demand more, Apple will continue down their path of offering last years technology at next years prices!

This argument is ridiculous, only a handful of people, LIKE US, made apple the most valuable company in the world, is it?!

If you don’t understand product, marketing and profitability, that’s fine, but don’t come up with random conspiracy theories.
 
And of course, that's absolutely your prerogative as a customer. You'd prefer to make zero compromises. I get that. I'd prefer to make a couple of compromises and save a few hundred bucks. I don't think that's an unreasonable position.

This is the benefit of having options. That's what Apple is giving us here. If you're right, and the market decides (collectively) that few customers want an iPhone with compromises, then Apple won't sell as many as they want...and they'll take the "compromised" X model off the drawing board for 2019. Or, maybe they'll add back a couple of features so the lesser/cheaper model is closer to the top of the range. Apple likes money...they're not going to continue producing/marketing a model that doesn't sell.

Let's allow the market to speak, and see whether or not Apple knows its customer base.

Good post. I’m sure apple will do as you just said. The XR is very much a test for them. I’m sure they’d love to see it sell high. They’ve work hard setting it all up.
 
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This argument is ridiculous, only a handful of people, LIKE US, made apple the most valuable company in the world, is it?!

If you don’t understand product, marketing and profitability, that’s fine, but don’t come up with random conspiracy theories.

iPhone 6, 6s, 7, 8 ... same design, minimal upgrades =conspiracy theories! Got it!
 
iPhone 6, 6s, 7, 8 ... same design, minimal upgrades =conspiracy theories! Got it!

Oh yeah?! And how much of a difference / upgrade do you see here?

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Lol, you can't match Quantum dots to Lcd.
If you look at the specs, they replace the lc with quantum dots. It's like saying that the a12 is equal to an snapdragon because both are processors.
And the only reason Samsung is using Qled instead of OLed is the price. If we use the Apple logic that something better is expensive than something cheaper we could stablish that: LCD<QLED<OLED
Quantum Dot Displays is STILL an LCD. It uses Photo-emissive particles. What you're referring to is Electro-Emissive Particles which is very similar to current AMOLED's.

As far as Samsung tech in their Displays, they are in the verge of Transitioning to Micro-LED's in the future for the TV's. Apple is also working on their own set of Micro-LED's for their Devices in the future as well.

Also, Price for QLEDs Vs. OLEDs are pretty close. Some instances Samsung QLED's are more Expensive than the current B8 LG OLED.
 
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Having a 6s and looking to upgrade to a XR, I was growing more concerned about the new phone’s screen. I was in a Costco today and was able to compare my 6s against a XS, putting both screens on the same Apple News article with fonts about the same size. I was pleased with how well the 6s LCD compared with the XS OLED.

To be fair, I did prefer the XS screen but not for $250 more (really it would be $350 because I want more than 64GB storage, so $799 for a 128GB XR vs. $1149 for a 256GB XS). Unless the reviews bring up negative issues with the XR that haven’t been anticipated, the XR will satisfy my needs at a price I can live with.
 
I had a LG G3 which had 1440p and 550ppi. In real life it had about 2 hours of screen time and then the battery was empty. I much rather have the XR with it’s stellar battery life. Those pixels cost in battery life.
 
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I can't say as I have ever watched an hour of YouTube on any phone.

But when I do watch it I set it to 480p. And this is on my Pixel 2 XL 2880×1440 at 538 ppi. I have set it to 1080p and 1440p and don't see that much of a difference. It's a small screen. Not a 70" 4k set.

I'm so glad I save my display pickiness for big screens and not phones.

Sorry but there's a vast difference between 480p, 1080p and 1440p. I strongly recommend getting your eyes checked if you 'don't see that much difference'.
 
I can't say as I have ever watched an hour of YouTube on any phone.

But when I do watch it I set it to 480p. And this is on my Pixel 2 XL 2880×1440 at 538 ppi. I have set it to 1080p and 1440p and don't see that much of a difference. It's a small screen. Not a 70" 4k set.

I'm so glad I save my display pickiness for big screens and not phones.

Finally a reasonable person on here!
People with their outrage over 720p blow my mind. It’s not always about paper specs.
 
Sorry but there's a vast difference between 480p, 1080p and 1440p. I strongly recommend getting your eyes checked if you 'don't see that much difference'.
Just because it's a big difference to you doesn't mean it is to me. Or anyone else for that matter. Yeah on my 55" and 65" I can tell the difference. Hell I can tell the difference between 1080p and 2160p. Many people I know can't. But on a little 6" screen 480p YouTube videos look fine to me.
 
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Yeap, I’d agree with that!

If anyone is actually interested, the XR uses Japan Displays, or JDI, ‘Full Active’ screen technology, it is the first company from what I can tell who has made flexible LCD screens hence thin bezels and the notch cut out.
Good report with some videos on it here:

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Apple-iPhone-9s-Full-Active-display-specs-allow-for-a-lower-price_id101910

It’s actually cutting edge tech and probably more advanced then OLED currently. I bet anything the new iPad Pros use the exact same tech but no one will complain about the PPI on those.

I’ve just read this.. a brilliant read thank you. Some very interesting tech.

It mentions deeper black levels as well. Really interested to see it in action when I get my XR now
 
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