XScale ARM CPU in iPhone?

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    An IlSole24ore.com interview with Intel executive Dario Bucci reveals that the processor in the Apple iPhone will be based on the XScale architechture. Google Translation:

    XScale is an implementation of the ARM architecture originally designed by Intel. Intel's PXA family of XScale processors, aimed at mobile phone applications, was sold to Marvell in June 2006. When the iPhone was first released, there had been speculative claims that Samsung's ARM chip would be used but this had never been verified. If Bucci's comments are accurate, then it appears that Marvell will be supplying the CPUs for the iPhone.

    Marvell currently lists 3 families of mobile application processors on their website: PXA3xx, PXA 27x, and PXA255.
    The 2006 sale of the technology to Marvell would explain an early denial by Intel that it is producing the processor for the iPhone.
  2. Xyl macrumors regular

    Dec 30, 2006
    Just one comment, maybe someone from MR that actually speaks German should translate it. :p It's just so funny reading that Google translation.:rolleyes:
  3. snowdon macrumors newbie

    Jan 21, 2007
    XScale was based on the StrongARM


    The XScale core was based on the StrongARM core, (used in the Newton, etc). It was originally designed by Digital, so they used a lot of the same techniques as was used in the Alpha. Intel aquired that technology, and created the XScale as something like StrongARM version 2. PXAs, and XScales in general, are in, well, a bunch of different types of devices, and are a nice piece of gear.

    Dave Snowdon,
  4. iomar macrumors 6502

    Dec 28, 2001
    Los Angeles, CA
  5. Doctor Q Administrator

    Doctor Q

    Staff Member

    Sep 19, 2002
    Los Angeles
    We'll try to do that. In the meantime, a native speaker is welcome to post a better translation.
  6. Americanloti macrumors member

    Mar 2, 2006
    a better translation (I hope)

    "Are Apple iPhone microchips made by Intel?

    No, they are not ours, They are Marvell’s, a company we gave out all our activities that includes the XScale architecture. Apple however is one of our main clients for Flash memory. The new device is powered by our Nand."

    ilSole24Ore is the Italian (not German) equivalent of the Wall Street Journal.

    [EDIT]: not sure about the word gave out; my English is not that good. Probably yielded is a better translation now that I look it up on the dictionary. ( I thought the yield means generate, I guess I was wrong)
  7. Xyl macrumors regular

    Dec 30, 2006
    Thanks for the translation (esp. the last sentence)! The Google translation is interpretable, but just sounds funny :p. And I don't know where I got the idea that it was German :confused: , maybe it's a sign I should go to bed instead of staying up and reading MR :p.
  8. VicMacs macrumors 6502

    Sep 7, 2003
    Dominican Republic
    so now we have mac os on ppc, intel and XScale, nice
  9. Americanloti macrumors member

    Mar 2, 2006
    Yeah, the last sentence is completely nosense. Glad I could help!
  10. darwen macrumors 6502a


    Apr 12, 2005
    California, US
    I don't get it. The grammer in this post makes it very hard to read.
  11. SWC macrumors 6502

    Jan 6, 2004
    Hopefully they don't cheap out on the processor. My HTC has horrible response to a lot of commands because phone companies like to put the cheapest chip in there possible to keep costs down.
  12. 4JNA macrumors 68000


    Feb 8, 2006
    looking for trash files
    make me buy a phone... twist my ARM...:eek:

    can't wait to pop the back off, and hack in a hard drive and bigger battery.
  13. ChrisA macrumors G4

    Jan 5, 2006
    Redondo Beach, California
    So Mac OS X runs on ARM? Wouldn't it be fun to try to get it to run on other non-iPhone ARM hardware? Like the Linksys 54G router.

    Or even one of these:
  14. twoodcc macrumors P6


    Feb 3, 2005
    Right side of wrong
    i agree :)....hopefully it'll somehow start shipping before june....
  15. kgretton macrumors newbie

    May 1, 2003
    ARM is NOT an Intel or Digital design

    Just to clear this up, ARM was originally designed in 1983 by Acorn Computers in Cambridge, UK.

    The ARM chip was used in Acorn's next major PC design after the original 6502-based BBC Microcomputer.

    Digital licensed the design and produced their own version called StrongARM which was subsequently acquired by Intel.
  16. iMan macrumors regular

    Jan 7, 2004
    Oslo, Norway
    Another translation

    Q: The chips in the new Apple iPhone are made by Intel?

    A: No, they’re Marvell’s. We sold our Xscale architecture to this company. However Apple is one of our best customers for flash memories and our NANDs are featured in the new handheld.

    From daringfireball
  17. TangoCharlie macrumors member

    Jul 21, 2004
    Horsham, West Sussex
    ARM was not designed by Intel!

    The ARM design is from ARM a chip design company in the UK. The XScale chip is an ARM implementationorigianlly from Intel but now

    The ARM system was spun-out from Acorn Computers and originally stood for Acorn Risc Machine. ARM now stands for Advanced Risc Machine.

    ARM processors and derivatives are the worlds most successful embedded CPUs and have been used in PDAs, phones, portable media solutions and SatNavs. :eek:
  18. Hattig macrumors 65816

    Jan 3, 2003
    London, UK
    No, the ARM architecture was designed at Acorn in the mid-late 80s as a replacement for the 6502 that was used in Acorn machines at the time. ARM2s were used in the first Acorn Archimedes computers IIRC.

    An ARM610 was used in the Newton.

    Digital acquired a license to the architecture and designed the StrongARM, which was widely used. Intel got this technology as part of a deal with Digital, and turned it into the XScale. Intel also killed off Alpha at this time, and should forever be punished for it!

    ARM has dozens - if not hundreds or thousands - of ARM licensees who use different ARM core designs within their products. XScale/StrongARM is a non-ARM designed core.
  19. eric67 macrumors 6502


    Oct 17, 2002
    France, Europe
    absolutely correct,

    I can NOT believe that one can quote wikipedia about hte ARM processor and write in the same sentence that ARM PCU were designed originally by Intel. This is simply wrong and misleading, and could also explain why people keeps making hypothesis about the ARM processor in the iPhone.
    part of wikipedia tewt:
    Unlike other microprocessor corporations such as AMD, Intel, Freescale (formerly Motorola) and Renesas (formerly Hitachi and Mitsubishi), ARM only licenses its technology as intellectual property (IP), rather than manufacturing its own CPUs. Thus, there are a few dozen companies making processors based on ARM's designs. Intel, Freescale and Renesas have all licensed ARM technology. In 2005, 1.7 billion chips based on an ARM design were manufactured.

    last but not least, the memory in hte iphone comes from a joint venture created by Intel and Micron. The ARM could also be provided by Freescale.
  20. Doctor Q Administrator

    Doctor Q

    Staff Member

    Sep 19, 2002
    Los Angeles
    Thanks for pointing out the translation, iMan, and thank you to Daring Fireball. That translation was the best of the ones we received.
  21. Rocketman macrumors 603


    And 0X0 Motorola not PPC, although not OSX :) . . . yet . . .


    I am betting on a dongle with the same/similar form factor as the ATN (iPhone) which has dual iPod HD's a massive battery and some functionality Apple leaves out to guarantee future upgrade revenue.



  22. ClimbingTheLog macrumors 6502a

    May 21, 2003
    That runs a Broadcomm implementation of a MIPS core, not an ARM.

    Sure, when OSX was called NeXTStep it ran on 68030's and better.

    Hey, OSX on my Palm Pilot! :)

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