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XServe and XServe RAID Pictures
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What's the case made of? I assume Titanium... but in my speed-read of the specs I couldn't see it. I wonder if this mystery metal is a clue for the new PMac range?...
that smells good to me too..
The same button style and vent slot styling, but with some of that white edge stuff like iBooks and iPod. Not as curvy as the G4's.
hmm..
The same button style and vent slot styling, but with some of that white edge stuff like iBooks and iPod. Not as curvy as the G4's.
hmm..
Yes that was brought to my attention when apple posted the talk online today. Also as it turns out the 3U is the RAID unit, not a separate new Xserve. The two go hand in hand and will use a dual gigabit fibrechannel wire system, one for each half. (7 Hds per system)
OH YEAH, and one more thing... for those who didn't find out already, the 3U RAID will in fact be hardware RAID controller, thus enabling 0 CPU tax, and INSANE performance. Each system (what i call it anyway) is made up of a self-sufficient 7-ATA100 HD array. The whole unit will probably operate as one, and I assume you can use the Xserve's remote app to config the Xserve RAID in any strip, mirror, single config you want. And yes, the HD cache per system is 128MB and it's fast, don't remember off hand what they said in Mhz though.
Has anyone wondered
What to do with one of these at home????
I know they are expensive...
That's for me the real center of the Digital Hub!
A server capable of multiple streaming (to different "terminals" with 22 LCDs) Qucktime Video, Music and what else needed (CPU power...)
connected through FireWire and Airport (possibly the new 802.11 at 50 Mbps...) connectivity..
What to do with one of these at home????
I know they are expensive...
That's for me the real center of the Digital Hub!
A server capable of multiple streaming (to different "terminals" with 22 LCDs) Qucktime Video, Music and what else needed (CPU power...)
connected through FireWire and Airport (possibly the new 802.11 at 50 Mbps...) connectivity..
I Have a question to make
Does this server support multiple work spaces? Because I would love to have one of these in our company. We have a IBM server( from 1992, that runs UNIX ) that is our only computer and we have 4 monitors that serve 4 of our departments, and each one runs different programs in the same program( Is it me or is this a little confusing?) Can anyone of you explain me if this is the thing that I should order now? Will this server do the Job for my company, because if it does I will buy one, with 4 Apple LCD's, and import our software for OSX. Can this be done? If so, how?
Does this server support multiple work spaces? Because I would love to have one of these in our company. We have a IBM server( from 1992, that runs UNIX ) that is our only computer and we have 4 monitors that serve 4 of our departments, and each one runs different programs in the same program( Is it me or is this a little confusing?) Can anyone of you explain me if this is the thing that I should order now? Will this server do the Job for my company, because if it does I will buy one, with 4 Apple LCD's, and import our software for OSX. Can this be done? If so, how?
What the
Why does everyone suddenly think you connect displays to this thing? Assuming you get a regular config, you can connect ONE display (i think VGA). If you get a Radeon8500 (assuming it's retail, I don't know) you could connect TWO, both could be Apple LCDs if you bought a converter, but again I'd have to check (expect update soon). As for work spaces, what do you mean? I don't know LANs very well yet from a software standpoint, but I do know OSX Server. Assuming you mean multiple workgroups (separate services per group of computers), you can do that easily as it is my understanding.
Why does everyone suddenly think you connect displays to this thing? Assuming you get a regular config, you can connect ONE display (i think VGA). If you get a Radeon8500 (assuming it's retail, I don't know) you could connect TWO, both could be Apple LCDs if you bought a converter, but again I'd have to check (expect update soon). As for work spaces, what do you mean? I don't know LANs very well yet from a software standpoint, but I do know OSX Server. Assuming you mean multiple workgroups (separate services per group of computers), you can do that easily as it is my understanding.
Update compiled:
From Apple.com's store:
"ATI Radeon 8500 AGP card
Upgrade your Xserve to include the Radeon 8500 graphics processing unit (GPU). This leading-edge GPU is supported by 64 MB of fast DDR SDRAM and delivers superior 3D graphics acceleration. The Radeon 8500 features a VGA and S-Video connector as well as a Digital Visual Interface (DVI) connector for use with digital display devices, including Apple flat panel displays (via the Apple DVI to ADC Adapter which is sold separately). Dual monitor mode for extended desktop or mirroring mode for presentations is supported for flexible viewing options."
In short you could connect a Cinema or other ADC display, then a VGA monitor. Or 2 VGA monitors with a DVI-VGA adaptor. I have one of the retail cards, they are AMAZINGLY powerful.
i thought about it some, and if you STILL *demanded* to have more displays, esp. Apple LCDs, you could add Radeon7000 Mac Edition cards. Each supports 2 displays (1 VGA, 1 DVI). I don't know if the 64-bit/66mhz slots Xserve has would accept the Radeon7000, but I do know that OSX 10.1 would support it with ease. As for people who want to use it as a desktop system, get a Radeon8500 AGP, that way you can use Quartz Extreme.
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"Xserve provides two high-performance 64-bit, 66 MHz PCI slots. These slots support 32 or 64-bit, 33 MHz or 66 MHz 3.3V "universal" PCI cards. The lower slot is configured with an ATI graphics card by default. This card supports headless booting, VGA-based KVM switches, and hot-plugging of VGA displays through the VGA connector on the card. The ATI graphics card includes 32MB of DDR memory and provides both 2D and 3D acceleration, and supports resolutions up to 1600x1200 with support for millions of colors."
According to this it appears to be one of ATi's workstation style cards, but it has almost the same specs as Radeon AGP Mac Edition (but it's PCI, then again this would be 66Mhz PCI). As for quartz extreme I'd have NO CLUE at all. The hot-plugging of displays is nice. Since it says "33Mhz or 66Mhz" I beleive it would support the Radeon7000 PCI (as mentioned above). Then again for all that display stuff, I think a PowerMac w/OSX Server is better.
From Apple.com's store:
"ATI Radeon 8500 AGP card
Upgrade your Xserve to include the Radeon 8500 graphics processing unit (GPU). This leading-edge GPU is supported by 64 MB of fast DDR SDRAM and delivers superior 3D graphics acceleration. The Radeon 8500 features a VGA and S-Video connector as well as a Digital Visual Interface (DVI) connector for use with digital display devices, including Apple flat panel displays (via the Apple DVI to ADC Adapter which is sold separately). Dual monitor mode for extended desktop or mirroring mode for presentations is supported for flexible viewing options."
In short you could connect a Cinema or other ADC display, then a VGA monitor. Or 2 VGA monitors with a DVI-VGA adaptor. I have one of the retail cards, they are AMAZINGLY powerful.
i thought about it some, and if you STILL *demanded* to have more displays, esp. Apple LCDs, you could add Radeon7000 Mac Edition cards. Each supports 2 displays (1 VGA, 1 DVI). I don't know if the 64-bit/66mhz slots Xserve has would accept the Radeon7000, but I do know that OSX 10.1 would support it with ease. As for people who want to use it as a desktop system, get a Radeon8500 AGP, that way you can use Quartz Extreme.
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"Xserve provides two high-performance 64-bit, 66 MHz PCI slots. These slots support 32 or 64-bit, 33 MHz or 66 MHz 3.3V "universal" PCI cards. The lower slot is configured with an ATI graphics card by default. This card supports headless booting, VGA-based KVM switches, and hot-plugging of VGA displays through the VGA connector on the card. The ATI graphics card includes 32MB of DDR memory and provides both 2D and 3D acceleration, and supports resolutions up to 1600x1200 with support for millions of colors."
According to this it appears to be one of ATi's workstation style cards, but it has almost the same specs as Radeon AGP Mac Edition (but it's PCI, then again this would be 66Mhz PCI). As for quartz extreme I'd have NO CLUE at all. The hot-plugging of displays is nice. Since it says "33Mhz or 66Mhz" I beleive it would support the Radeon7000 PCI (as mentioned above). Then again for all that display stuff, I think a PowerMac w/OSX Server is better.
Ti ? probably not!
I just want to come back on what's the Xserve made of? i'm almost sure this thing isn't made of titanium.
Apple is using that because of its durability, lightness...etc, and you need that kind of specification in a portable computer.
But, the Xserve gonna stay in a rack...
There's no reason to use titanium in that product. So, i guess, this should be something like Aluminum which is not so bad at all....
I just want to come back on what's the Xserve made of? i'm almost sure this thing isn't made of titanium.
Apple is using that because of its durability, lightness...etc, and you need that kind of specification in a portable computer.
But, the Xserve gonna stay in a rack...
There's no reason to use titanium in that product. So, i guess, this should be something like Aluminum which is not so bad at all....
What really makes Xserve attractive is cost!
OK, what if I told you, you could get an unlimited license server for $300 less than a 25 license server software from Microsoft,
and get a 1 U mounted server for absolutely free! Yes that's what it means.
OK, what if I told you, you could get an unlimited license server for $300 less than a 25 license server software from Microsoft,
and get a 1 U mounted server for absolutely free! Yes that's what it means.
Multi-Users
How do you connect to your IBM today? Telnet? FTP? XWindow?
Mac OS X, being BSD Unix at it's core, supports telnet (and SSH) anf FTP out of the box and an X Window setup can be installed. (Technically, little is needed on the server side to run X Window app's remotely but that's a whole other story)
Now, your IBM is, probably, running their version of Unix, called "AIX". Software compiled for AIX will not run on BSD Unix. Thankfully, much of what is out there for AIX com be re-compiled (or already has been) for BSD. Commercial Applications might be a sticky point. For instance, if you run DB2 or Oracle on AIX - you're kind of stuck as niether is available for BSD / Mac OS X -- yet.
If you're asking if Mac OS App's can be run remotely, that's another issue. I've never seen it, but I've heard that you can "NetBoot" most G3/G4 PowerMac's off of the server. Can anyone else here expound on that?
Max OS X's prior incarnation, NeXTSTEP/OPENSTEP (via it's Display PostScript engine) allowed you to, like X Window, redirect the display of a GUI window to any other NeXTSTEP/OPENSTEP machine on the network that you had the rights to. I don't think Quartz (Display PDF) lets you do that now though. (If it does, Apple isn't saying so)
If you are asking if this is a multi-user system - then yes. All Unix's are.
How do you connect to your IBM today? Telnet? FTP? XWindow?
Mac OS X, being BSD Unix at it's core, supports telnet (and SSH) anf FTP out of the box and an X Window setup can be installed. (Technically, little is needed on the server side to run X Window app's remotely but that's a whole other story)
Now, your IBM is, probably, running their version of Unix, called "AIX". Software compiled for AIX will not run on BSD Unix. Thankfully, much of what is out there for AIX com be re-compiled (or already has been) for BSD. Commercial Applications might be a sticky point. For instance, if you run DB2 or Oracle on AIX - you're kind of stuck as niether is available for BSD / Mac OS X -- yet.
If you're asking if Mac OS App's can be run remotely, that's another issue. I've never seen it, but I've heard that you can "NetBoot" most G3/G4 PowerMac's off of the server. Can anyone else here expound on that?
Max OS X's prior incarnation, NeXTSTEP/OPENSTEP (via it's Display PostScript engine) allowed you to, like X Window, redirect the display of a GUI window to any other NeXTSTEP/OPENSTEP machine on the network that you had the rights to. I don't think Quartz (Display PDF) lets you do that now though. (If it does, Apple isn't saying so)
Re: What really makes Xserve attractive is cost!
...according to EveryMac.com the 200Mhz 604e one was $19,000.
I'd say they've come a long way!!!
Agreed - anyone remember what the Apple Network Servers (which ran AIX BTW) cost...
...according to EveryMac.com the 200Mhz 604e one was $19,000.
I'd say they've come a long way!!!