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I rather wear a shirt without a spot on it than a shirt with a spot on it. Plus, TouchID > FaceID. Imagine a movie theater screen with a notch or an island. Imagine watching TV with a notch or island on it. It's ridiculous. I will never buy a Mac with a notch. I'm holding onto my SE 3 until they release a full screen iPhone.
I had a difficult time going from SE2 to 13 mini, although after hating the notch, within two weeks, I found that it was no longer distracting.

I continue to prefer the older, full-width info “bar” because VPN status was continually visible. I would happily give up several mm of screen real estate to have it back beneath the FaceID apparatus instead of a notch.

I have dry skin—my fingers always look like I’ve just gotten out of a hot tub, so much so that the vehicle registration agency always gives up and switches to facial recognition—so I 100% prefer FaceID on my devices. I end up both redoing my thumb print every couple of weeks or just entering my passcode on my older devices.

Based on rumors, we may be a long way off from having a truly full screen iPhone. Even pinhole cameras continue to need dedicated space.

BTW, I installed iPadOS26 dev1 on my iPad 9th generation. It’s buggy as heck but not as visually alarming as the Keynote. Whew!
 
My days of using a tiny phone with a tiny screen and tiny keyboard ended the day the first ProMax was introduced.
Something is "off" with the ergonomics on the bigger phone keyboards. There have been threads here discussing this and I'd gladly have the smaller one back.

Have a personal SE3 and a bigger workplace-issue device. My typing isn't great on the SE, and is straight-out abysmal on the work phone. The current state of iOS' auto correction doesn't help any.
 
The big phone people do not understand why the small phone people get upset either. I was just stating my preference and why I preferred larger phone and a little phone person went on the attack! To each their own
Some people seem incapable of viewing both sides of a conversation. There are reasons why we are where we are, and there are valid arguments as to why that isn't the end of the story.

I've used nearly every iPhone (or at least one from each year) ever made. I've upgraded annually 17 years in a row and will again this year. I've gone back and forth between small phones and large phones since they started having multiple sizes. Here is what I can offer:

The utility of the phone does not actually increase as the display size increases. It is still the same device, performing the same tasks, and (most importantly) being used the same way. Utility does not increase until you start to get somewhere up around 10 inches, tablet size. At the point it has gotten big enough to change the way you use the device, which is why there are distinct size ranges for phones and tablets. Size however is an important factor to the limitations of physical technology. The larger phones are not really about the larger screens. They are about the larger battery, and to a lesser degree, the better cameras. As we go forward into high density batteries, it may be possible for Apple to make smaller iPhones that have acceptable battery life. But physics will always be a thing. No matter how good a small phone can be, a larger phone can be better, because there is more space for the better. Whether that is battery, camera, you name it. More space = more better.

This, along with price, have been the main driver for Apple. They can make a better product if it's bigger, and they can also charge more for it. This is unavoidable. Bigger almost always means more expensive for Apple products, and they couldn't resist pushing into higher priced iPhone territory.

That said, the upcoming iPhone Air gives a glimpse into the fact that Apple doesn't necessarily enjoy how bulky and heavy the larger iPhones have become in order to accommodate the largest displays, batteries, and cameras. They desire to reboot this somewhat, and start bringing iPhone design back to the thinnest and lightest possible version of itself. They are opposed to it getting too large.

I think the design goals of the iPhone Air tells us that this is the smallest iPhone (in terms of both height, depth, width, and weight) that they are comfortable with making at this point in time, to still deliver the minimum standard of quality they're looking for. Making a fat brick just to bring the screen size back down below 6 inches isn't in their heads at this point as an acceptable product, and I agree. But I think they will once they feel that they can.
 
Some people seem incapable of viewing both sides of a conversation. There are reasons why we are where we are, and there are valid arguments as to why that isn't the end of the story.

I've used nearly every iPhone (or at least one from each year) ever made. I've upgraded annually 17 years in a row and will again this year. I've gone back and forth between small phones and large phones since they started having multiple sizes. Here is what I can offer:

The utility of the phone does not actually increase as the display size increases. It is still the same device, performing the same tasks, and (most importantly) being used the same way. Utility does not increase until you start to get somewhere up around 10 inches, tablet size. At the point it has gotten big enough to change the way you use the device, which is why there are distinct size ranges for phones and tablets. Size however is an important factor to the limitations of physical technology. The larger phones are not really about the larger screens. They are about the larger battery, and to a lesser degree, the better cameras. As we go forward into high density batteries, it may be possible for Apple to make smaller iPhones that have acceptable battery life. But physics will always be a thing. No matter how good a small phone can be, a larger phone can be better, because there is more space for the better. Whether that is battery, camera, you name it. More space = more better.

This, along with price, have been the main driver for Apple. They can make a better product if it's bigger, and they can also charge more for it. This is unavoidable. Bigger almost always means more expensive for Apple products, and they couldn't resist pushing into higher priced iPhone territory.

That said, the upcoming iPhone Air gives a glimpse into the fact that Apple doesn't necessarily enjoy how bulky and heavy the larger iPhones have become in order to accommodate the largest displays, batteries, and cameras. They desire to reboot this somewhat, and start bringing iPhone design back to the thinnest and lightest possible version of itself. They are opposed to it getting too large.

I think the design goals of the iPhone Air tells us that this is the smallest iPhone (in terms of both height, depth, width, and weight) that they are comfortable with making at this point in time, to still deliver the minimum standard of quality they're looking for. Making a fat brick just to bring the screen size back down below 6 inches isn't in their heads at this point as an acceptable product, and I agree. But I think they will once they feel that they can.

Larger device ≠ better device. Also, the rumored iPhone Air should be thinner and lighter which is not equal to a smaller device.
 
This has made me wonder about the internal reasons Apple cancelled the iPhone mini. I know the stated reason is low sales, but the iPhone is huge. A small percentage of a very large number is still a large number. I wonder if there’s some threshold over which Apple needs an iPhone model to sell to make them profitable because of the way the supply chains run on such a large scale? Or it’s something else, who knows.

While I now find my beloved iPhone 5 much too claustrophobic to use for much at all, it is still a little sad the mini is no longer an option.
 
This has made me wonder about the internal reasons Apple cancelled the iPhone mini. I know the stated reason is low sales, but the iPhone is huge. A small percentage of a very large number is still a large number. I wonder if there’s some threshold over which Apple needs an iPhone model to sell to make them profitable because of the way the supply chains run on such a large scale? Or it’s something else, who knows.

While I now find my beloved iPhone 5 much too claustrophobic to use for much at all, it is still a little sad the mini is no longer an option.

What's really frustrating about all this is how flexible the OS actually is (or should be).
Theoretically, in a sane world, this would lead to a larger variety of device sizes and form factor variations.

Instead -- they keep converging on an ever more huge "patio paver that hangs out of your pocket".
 
What's really frustrating about all this is how flexible the OS actually is (or should be).
Theoretically, in a sane world, this would lead to a larger variety of device sizes and form factor variations.

Instead -- they keep converging on an ever more huge "patio paver that hangs out of your pocket".
Sometimes I wonder if maybe a dumb phone, like the new retro Nokias, alongside an iPad mini might actually be a better solution for a lot of people, given the trend in screen sizes.
 
Sometimes I wonder if maybe a dumb phone, like the new retro Nokias, alongside an iPad mini might actually be a better solution for a lot of people, given the trend in screen sizes.

It's a thought I've had more than once.

I've sort of decided to not think much about it either way until my 13 Mini is set to no longer get the latest iOS versions.
 
Larger is not always better. For example, a small square screen with a 16:9 aspect ratio is much more usable than a 19.5:9 one with rounded corners and a notch/pill on top. It's better fit for videos/apps/web, has an unobtrusive view, and a full status bar.

Other SE1 advantages:
- 3.5 mm headphone jack
- nice LCD screen
- firm grip thanks to the size, form, bezels, and materials used
- can lie flat on the table
- fits into any pocket
- easy one-handed usage
- touch ID
- so light it's difficult to break it if you drop it
- so light you can hold it with one hand above your head
- ergonomically placed physical buttons
- less addictive thanks to smaller screen size (you only use it when you really need to)

And if you use the phone as a communicator, virtually any internals are powerful enough, so CPU/RAM upgrades don't matter.
 
Larger is not always better. For example, a small square screen with a 16:9 aspect ratio is much more usable than a 19.5:9 one with rounded corners and a notch/pill on top. It's better fit for videos/apps/web, has an unobtrusive view, and a full status bar.

Other SE1 advantages:
- 3.5 mm headphone jack
- nice LCD screen
- firm grip thanks to the size, form, bezels, and materials used
- can lie flat on the table
- fits into any pocket
- easy one-handed usage
- touch ID
- so light it's difficult to break it if you drop it
- so light you can hold it with one hand above your head
- ergonomically placed physical buttons
- less addictive thanks to smaller screen size (you only use it when you really need to)

And if you use the phone as a communicator, virtually any internals are powerful enough, so CPU/RAM upgrades don't matter.
As an aside- How long does your SE1 battery last on average?
 
As an aside- How long does your SE1 battery last on average?
I think I charge it every other day or so. But I'm not a heavy user — up to 1.5 hours of screen time a day. Besides, the battery is new, and I've implemented a number of battery saving tips.

Overall, it feels like it discharges very slowly, and sometimes I charge it just to have 100% when going outside, not because the battery's low.
 
I upgraded from my SE1 to SE3 reluctantly because Apple stopped supporting it and apps I preferred quit working. For the foreseeable future, I'll keep the SE3 since none of the current iPhones appeal to me as a more basic user.
 
Let’s create a fairytale world and assume compatibility is never an issue, I actually think I’d be open to using a 1st-gen SE on iOS 9 or 10. Not a fully updated one because battery life is not great on iOS 15 for A9 devices, but one on a good iOS version? I think I can live with the reduced real estate.


I’m not sure I’d be too fond of the bezels, though. Every device I use now is full-screen. That would be the biggest issue. But assuming that the SE did everything I wanted it to do and assuming it had the quality that it debuted with, make it full screen and it would be amazing.

And I’ve long-abandoned small iPhones. Last time I used one as a main was the iPhone 5s on iOS 8 right before upgrading to the 6s in 2016, and now I’m using the 16 Plus. But when I grab my 5c, although it’s abhorrent to use on iOS 10, it is very comfortable. I’m not entirely opposed to a full-screen 1st-gen SE, provided Apple can match the original’s battery life on iOS 9 and 10.
 
I look at small phones with fondness. However, I use my iPhone for everything now. Ever since the 6+ came out, my wife and I never looked back. I read heavily (sometimes 700+ page books) and do almost everything on my phone more than ever before. Must have the screen space and battery life now.

That said, any time I see small phones on old TV shows - I admire them and miss the days of stuffing (and forgetting) a tiny cellphone in my pocket and not having to worry about charging it for a week, lol.
 
I will always parrot on about the Rose Gold SE (2016) being the best looking phone ever built. I mean look at this thing! It's gorgeous!

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Have to agree with y'all on this one. My weekend job has an old SE supervisor phone and that thing is just so nice to hold, lol. Makes my 15 PM feel like a brick.

The in-hand experience of the iPhone 4, 5, 5s and SE1 are just unmatched.

I know many hold the screen size of the 5/5s/SE1 in higher regard, but I'd personally love and be fine with an OG 3.5" version also (iPhone 4 had that).

With how I use iPhones now, I'd like the smallest and lightest package possible.

Suffice to say, I find the current patio paver lineup to be immensely unappealing.
 
I will always parrot on about the Rose Gold SE (2016) being the best looking phone ever built. I mean look at this thing! It's gorgeous!

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This one is very close, but I’d go back to a Slate/Black iPhone 5 on iOS 6 immediately, assuming compatibility isn’t an issue.

I’d use that one without a doubt, probably forever.
 
I love the iPhone 5, it was a high point of phone design, but using it now is really difficult. I tried using it as an iPod for a while, because of the headphone jack, but going back to my iPhone 14 was always a relief as it is so much easier to use.

I will enjoy my memories of the smaller iPhones of the past, but I am unable to go back there. I consider my iPhone 14 the spiritual successor to my iPhone 5.
 
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