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My question is, at what point does the constant immediate response times, flashy images, background audio / video, never ending advertising, and ultimate, absolute freedom to go wherever the Web could possibly offer, no matter how badly or lazily coded, become... tiring?

Freedom to go wherever I want and sheer speed are never tiring IMO, quite the opposite. And if blocking all the bad stuff makes the experience that much better on less powerful systems, what's it gonna do on more powerful ones? :)
 
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Freedom to go wherever I want and sheer speed are never tiring IMO, quite the opposite.

I think the point is we are no longer processing, learning or being entertained - we are consuming and the more we get the more we want. Our minds are simply not up to the task of this overload, we are developing a surface deep, soundbite understanding of most things...maybe that's our evolution though, with AI doing the heavy lifting for us?
 
I think the point is we are no longer processing, learning or being entertained - we are consuming and the more we get the more we want. Our minds are simply not up to the task of this overload, we are developing a surface deep, soundbite understanding of most things

Thanks for clearing that up - I fully agree evading this overload has become more and more difficult. Smartphones and other mobile devices be damned. ;)
 
I am beginning to be of the opinion that there is something amiss with either your OS or G5. Even with the 1.25 GHz G4 w/o Core Image, on stock TenFourFox, running on vanilla Leopard system I'm sending from, there's never been any scrolling wait of 10 seconds. Hell, even 5.
I had considered this however I had a similar experience with my dual 2.3GHz PowerMac G5 (though it was better as there was a second processor to help). The OS was essentially stock as they aren't used for much. The only thing I really used them for was ripping DVDs (with Mac The Ripper) and light transcoding.

Sure, there's currently a couple second delay scrolling through a page from top to bottom, and words entered do not instantaneously appear, but even in the current state, browsing is most certainly not glacial. Moreso "delayed" ...which is a far cry from what your 1.8 G5 should be able to pump out.
I'll see if I can get some video of what it is like.

Otherwise, I agree with @Lastic's point about making use of old machines to take a slower, calmer look at the modern landscape. My question is, at what point does the constant immediate response times, flashy images, background audio / video, never ending advertising, and ultimate, absolute freedom to go wherever the Web could possibly offer, no matter how badly or lazily coded, become... tiring?
I agree with this 100%. IMO the modern web has too much useless information on a typical web page.
 
I think the point is we are no longer processing, learning or being entertained - we are consuming and the more we get the more we want. Our minds are simply not up to the task of this overload, we are developing a surface deep, soundbite understanding of most things...maybe that's our evolution though, with AI doing the heavy lifting for us?

Perfectly worded.

Endless consumption, epitomized.
 
Perfectly worded.

Endless consumption, epitomized.


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I think the point is we are no longer processing, learning or being entertained - we are consuming and the more we get the more we want. Our minds are simply not up to the task of this overload, we are developing a surface deep, soundbite understanding of most things...maybe that's our evolution though, with AI doing the heavy lifting for us?

That is a pretty scathing condemnation of society. This despite the fact that we’re living in the most educated communities (generationally) in recorded history & on track to be the most productive. I think we’ll be just fine.

As far as content, like anything controlling our consumption is a learned skill, something homo sapien sapien historically has been and continues to be exceptionally good at doing *observing & learning new skills*.

Yeah We'll be fine. :D
 
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That is a pretty scathing condemnation of society. This despite the fact that we’re living in the most educated communities (generationally) in recorded history & on track to be the most productive. I think we’ll be just fine.

As far as content, like anything controlling our consumption is a learned skill, something homo sapien sapien historically has been and continues to be exceptionally good at doing *observing & learning*.

Yeah We'll be fine. :D

We certainly have a lot more information, but information is not wisdom. I think our ability to access information is making us very adept at looking up our problems whilst we are losing our ability to think them through. That's going to come back to bite us in the long run.
 
I see this as an expression of pragmatism & time management, not side stepping deeper understanding. As we become busier & busier people we just don’t have the time to build a deeper understanding of every single thing coming our way. I mean if you’re a kid at home waiting for mom to finish dinner, yeah you have time but for busy professionals balancing work-life that time is gone.

Google & the like allow us to efficiently search out & fix what is wrong quickly & with reasonable understanding within the free time we do have.

There’s no fault in this practice. It’s one of the tools in our tool shed for dealing with what Murphy throws at us in 2020.
 
This is my little 2 cents

I'v been producing electronic music since 2009 (since then, not as good as I would like to be, but eh). I made a move to go backward on a G5 and I'm loving it. My dp 2.5 lack a bit of power sometimes so I'm building a quad for my need. Software are hard to get so you choose wisely (currently emailing mcdsp to buy some v4 license and dmg audio staff are fine with providing legacy license). By working that way, I got off the ever lasting treadmill of purchasing new stuff or willing to purchase. I hate the feel of being empty because you dont have the latest toys. It may be only me, I always been that way. So I said **** it, I like retro computing and some new fancy computer would not give me more skills. Anyway, exploring the 'less is more' concept, I found out that camel audio alchemy can import single cycle wave form and I happen to have galbanum architecture waveforms 2010, and so far, I had a blast in sound design. The only breakthrough for synth in recent years is xfer serum imo and I can work without (with alchemy).

For the spec , my G5 is a pro tools 8 hd2 system, dp 2.5ghz, 8gb. My future quad will have the same pt spec (just need to source the same hd card in pcie flavor instead of pci-x)
 
That is a pretty scathing condemnation of society. This despite the fact that we’re living in the most educated communities (generationally) in recorded history & on track to be the most productive. I think we’ll be just fine.

That said, how does one improve if he is never offered a clear view of the issue?

Same basic concept.
 
Excellent idea! Go to macintoshgarden/OS9Lives and stock up on Sample banks etc to be accessed via MIDI.

@Dronecatcher since you are also into MOD files, would you like to elaborate an audio /DAW setup in a different topic ?
@AphoticD @RhianB @MrVitalic same question, I don't think there is a topic here that describes the use of a PPC in a studio/DAW setup.

@RogerWilco6502 I think you are in the same boat as me looking for info on how to start an audio setup ?
(well figuratively speaking since due to COVID-19 we better not sit next to each other in the same boat)
 
@RogerWilco6502 I think you are in the same boat as me looking for info on how to start an audio setup ?
(well figuratively speaking since due to COVID-19 we better not sit next to each other in the same boat)
Yeah 😂
I made a post here about PPC OS X DAW recommendations under the Digital Audio subforum, but I might repost it here because no one has replied to it over there.
 
Yeah 😂
I made a post here about PPC OS X DAW recommendations under the Digital Audio subforum, but I might repost it here because no one has replied to it over there.

Good idea since the other subforums are pretty much Intel-only. Also, the MacOS9Lives community is heavily skewed towards DAW setups, so it might be worth asking over there too.
 
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Good idea since the other subforums are pretty much Intel-only. Also, the MacOS9Lives community is heavily skewed towards DAW setups, so it might be worth asking over there too.
Ok, I'll repost it here. As for MacOS9Lives, I asked there about a possible source for finding Ableton for OS X under the PPC OS X DAW subforum and the responses I got were "get OS 9 audio hardware," which I would love to do, but I also don't have the time or the money to invest in a new audio setup at the moment. But I'm not sure they'd be all that open to answering questions about OS X DAW recommendations. 😂
 
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Ok, I'll repost it here. As for MacOS9Lives, I asked there about a possible source for finding Ableton for OS X under the PPC OS X DAW subforum and the responses I got were "get OS 9 audio hardware," which I would love to do, but I also don't have the time or the money to invest in a new audio setup at the moment. But I'm not sure they'd be all that open to answering questions about OS X DAW recommendations. 😂

I had a quick look at MacOS9Lives and same feeling, altough I have enough G4 laptops on which I could start running OS9 , I would rather use my G5 , OS X or OS9 , altough I don't think the G5 can run OS9 natively.
 
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I had a quick look at MacOS9Lives and same feeling, altough I have enough G4 laptops on which I could start running OS9 , I would rather use my G5 , OS X or OS9 , altough I don't think the G5 can run OS9 natively.
Yeah, they're an invaluable resource for OS 9 but it seems a lot of the active userbase has sort of a hostile attitude towards OS X. I belive you are correct about the G5, it can only do classic mode IIRC.

There is this funny April Fools joke ;): https://tidbits.com/2004/04/01/countdown-g5-enables-mac-os-9-booting-for-power-mac-g5s/
 
As we become busier & busier people we just don’t have the time to build a deeper understanding of every single thing coming our way.

Why is that automatically seen as a virtue? If we are living in a golden age of technological empowerment and intellectual emancipation we should be have the freedom to be less busy, to concentrate on endeavors that enrich our lives, instead of working even longer hours to pay our way through an artificially ramped up cost of living.
 
Dunno, there might be a way to virtualise OS 9 on a G5 someday. That would probably require the latest QEMU and Linux as the host OS though, and present issues with regards to graphics acceleration and access to hardware.
Yeah. Maybe a version of SheepShaver compiled for the G5? It would likely be sort of a nightmare to run.
 
That said, how does one improve if he is never offered a clear view of the issue?

Same basic concept.

I guess I don’t understand how in today’s “Information Age” with tools like the internet, folks don’t have access to the information they need to better understand. The info is out there from raw data to formed opinions. Clarity of thought comes from the individual in how we digest & comprehend said info, through discussion/debate of differing perspective & ideas and varying levels of personal drive to attain it. The same relationships have existed through all media forms (ie: tv, radio, print) with slight variants. What I mean by that is today, we read something online & talk about it/debate it here. In 1930 they would’ve heard it on the radio or read about it in the news paper & then talked about it at the barber shop or pub or bus stop etc. The dynamic is the same, just where it takes place is different through generations as technology progresses.

Regardless, Clarity comes from our individual & communal efforts to understand. In other words it’s bore of ourselves. It is very much a product of the human experience & is a very interesting intersect between youthful idealism & aged pragmatism.
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Why is that automatically seen as a virtue? If we are living in a golden age of technological empowerment and intellectual emancipation we should be have the freedom to be less busy, to concentrate on endeavors that enrich our lives, instead of working even longer hours to pay our way through an artificially ramped up cost of living.

That is an excellent point that I think we all struggle with. Speaking of time, I don’t have it to respond ATM but will!

A fascinating topic.
 
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