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so you've cancelled your pre-order?
In fairness, there are several improvements of the S11 over the S10, but whether or not it is worth upgrading is in the eye of the beholder ...
Yeah, cancelled it.

Was undecided for a while, but then realised there's really nothing to "upgrade" for.
 
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Yeah well... my Garmin gives me a sleep score and running metrics.

Added bonus, it lasts a few weeks so isn't on the charger while I'm sleeping.
Yeah but it's a Garmin....thats my issue with it - much like my Nissan truck isn't a Ferrari ! And american cheese.... well you get the pic:)
 
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I'm interested to hear how (Apple Watch) sleep tracking has helped others.

I try not to look at my last night's sleep report (if I look at all) until the late evening of the following day. And I like to give my wrist a break and not wear my Watch to bed every few days. It seems like I could easily preemptively blame a bad day on a bad night's sleep. I'm way more (obsessively) interested in tracking my activity throughout the day (closing rings, steps, tracking workouts monthly challenges) than my sleep at night. I might be more interested in looking back over the last 30 days to see any trends/lifestyle effects.

However, I generally get good sleep and don't suffer any sleep-related maladies so I'd be interested to hear from others. IOW, I'm not judging anyone...
I dislike sleep scores, they are typically useless and subjective feel and a single orthostatic HRV measurement tells me how I’m coping with training/stress in my life.

But I did find the Apple one validating. It’s based on actual published research and as an insomniac it was nice to see that when I am sleeping well my night time awakening’s are well within norms
 
I dislike sleep scores, they are typically useless and subjective feel and a single orthostatic HRV measurement tells me how I’m coping with training/stress in my life.

But I did find the Apple one validating. It’s based on actual published research and as an insomniac it was nice to see that when I am sleeping well my night time awakening’s are well within norms

sadly everyone has a different sleeping pattern. so sleeping 7 hours may be not enough for an adult.
 
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What about non-apple smart watches???
I'm wearing a Whoop 5.0 and an Amazfit Helio Band when I sleep and have gotten an Apple sleep score of 99 and 98 over the last two nights. So, I guess the data is populating over to the health app.

The Apple sleep score is MUCH more generous than either Whoop or Amazfit. I had 75/100 on the Whoop and 76/100 on the Amazfit. With that being said, the Apple sleep score may be calibrating at this point. Will be interesting to see what it is in a couple of weeks.
 
It’s already live on the beta. Slept only 6hrs tonight, woke up multiple times do not feel rested at all. I have a 86 sleep score. Not convinced.
 
This is just like Live Translation on AirPods Pro 3 (which also works on AirPods 4 and AirPods Pro 2). Apple implied a feature was added to new devices, but it is also available on older ones. They're encouraging people to upgrade their devices when they don't have to. Not cool, Cupertino.
 
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I dislike sleep scores, they are typically useless and subjective feel and a single orthostatic HRV measurement tells me how I’m coping with training/stress in my life.

But I did find the Apple one validating. It’s based on actual published research and as an insomniac it was nice to see that when I am sleeping well my night time awakening’s are well within norms

Please cite the actual published research. There is none.
 
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That's weird, I started to see the Sleep Score on my iPhone on iOS 26 two days ago with the GM release. My AW Series 9 was still on watchOS 11.6 and not on any betas. I finally updated to watchOS 26 last night. While I was on 11.6 I didn't see any sleep data other than the already present graph. After the update it's nice to see a separate Sleep Score which after three days worth of data I can feel pretty good about. I look at the graph daily so I can see how they're calculating it.

Also, the Series 9 might be the best value Apple product in years. The chip hasn't changed since it was released, and it keeps getting new software features like Sleep Apnea detection (which I need) and hypertension detection, though the latter may only show up if for some reason I get off my beta blocker. I'm old.
 
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That's weird, I started to see the Sleep Score on my iPhone on iOS 26 two days ago with the GM release. My AW Series 9 was still on watchOS 11.6 and not on any betas. I finally updated to watchOS 26 last night. While I was on 11.6 I didn't see any sleep data other than the already present graph. After the update it's nice to see a separate Sleep Score which after three days worth of data I can feel pretty good about. I look at the graph daily so I can see how they're calculating it.

Also, the Series 9 might be the best value Apple product in years. The chip hasn't changed since it was released, and it keeps getting new software features like Sleep Apnea detection (which I need) and hypertension detection, though the latter may only show up if for some reason I get off my beta blocker. I'm old.
Wishing you well, bud.
 
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Same for me, and I have even skipped a couple nights of not using my CPAP machine, and know I had some episodes since I had excessive daytime sleepiness the next morning and a migraine.

"glad" to hear that because i still have lingering doubts about my SA diagnosis - same symptoms. but it must be real despite what the watch is telling me. ironically one of the many attending doctors i saw about my sleep problems works on this feature at apple as his day job.
 
"glad" to hear that because i still have lingering doubts about my SA diagnosis - same symptoms. but it must be real despite what the watch is telling me. ironically one of the many attending doctors i saw about my sleep problems works on this feature at apple as his day job.
My present symptoms, and the readings from the MyAir and SleepHQ app are much more informative in letting me know how I slept the night before. I have no faith in Apple’s sleep apnea notifications and breathing disturbances, so I have stopped paying attention to it. The fact that I still have episodes which have not been picked up on by the Apple Watch as breathing disturbances, tells me all I need to know.
 
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My present symptoms, and the readings from the MyAir and SleepHQ app are much more informative in letting me know how I slept the night before. I have no faith in Apple’s sleep apnea notifications and breathing disturbances, so I have stopped paying attention to it. The fact that I still have episodes which have not been picked up on by the Apple Watch as breathing disturbances, tells me all I need to know.

it makes me wonder how bad your apnea has to be before the AW detects something. i feel like it has to be so bad that you don't need a device to tell you something is wrong.
 
it makes me wonder how bad your apnea has to be before the AW detects something. i feel like it has to be so bad that you don't need a device to tell you something is wrong.
If I had severe OSA it would probably pick it up, since I would have more episodes per hour vs someone with mild to moderate.
 
If I had severe OSA it would probably pick it up, since I would have more episodes per hour vs someone with mild to moderate.

well depending on the study, i have an AHI between 9 and 25, so you'd think they could pick up on that.
 
well depending on the study, i have an AHI between 9 and 25, so you'd think they could pick up on that.
Mine was 15, so I thought it would pick up on that on the nights when I fall asleep before using my CPAP machine, but I’ve never had a breathing disturbance notification.
 
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