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  1. Huntn, Apr 17, 2019
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    Huntn macrumors P6

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    I’m currently thinking about the best way to get a 55” TV mounted over the fireplace down, and replace it with a 65” 4K TV with the help of my wife. It involves standing on ladders, although our short ladders should work. :)

    During a remodel project, I have taken it down before with 2 people and it was not overly difficult. If you are not familiar, a bracket is secured to the wall with a cradle, and a bracket secured to the TV that can just be lowered into the cradle. This TV is larger, but possibly the same weight or lighter as the new TVs are thinner.

    The other consideration is should I, can I use the old mounting bracket with the new TV, but we will need a new bracket in any case as this TV will now reside in our bedroom. Sadly, we have an old, but in great shape, Ethan Allen armoire where the current 35” TV sits, but it can’t accommodate the larger TV, so that piece may end up in our walk-in closet or gasp, sell it if we can. Big furniture these days is hard to sell, period.

    One other task is pulling the component cable out of the wall to be replaced by 4K HDMI cables. There are some curves, but I ran this cable though sections of 3” plastic plumbing pipe to hopefully make pulling it out easier.

    As this is a “smart” TV, I’ve already determined I can retire my Roku box, but my impression is that I will need to keep Apple TV box, unless Apple TV can be pulled up as a channel. I don’t think so. I have one or two movies/TV shows I purchased there.

    One thing about this new TV, the picture is awesome. :) I just hope Vizio holds up as well as Sony and Samsung.
     
  2. Huntn thread starter macrumors P6

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    2019- Where are you going to find 4K content for your new 4K TV?
    • Ultra HD Blu-Ray disks.
    • Netflix (found as a channel on most devices).
    • Amazon Prime Video streaming (channel)
    • ITunes
    • VUDU
    • You Tube
    • Ultraflix
    • Sony PlayStation Video
    • Fandango Now
    • Google Play
    • FUBO TV
    • HULU? Not currently
    • Direct TV
    • Dish Network
    • Comcast
    • Suddenlink (Altice One- still investigating this)
    • More? I’m sure this is not a comprehensive list.

    What will you need (some are optional)?
    • 4K TV
    • 4K disk player
    • 4K capable HDMI cables (required to feed your TV from devices)
    • 4K Roku (unlikely because new TVs can access most, if not all of the channels found on Roku).
    • 4K capable Apple TV (may be required to access Apple content other than channels found on all devices).
    • Sony Playstation 4 (optional)

    Support articles:
    Ultra HD Blu-ray: Everything you need to know

    https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/ultra-hd-blu-ray-specs-dates-and-titles/

    Here’s how and where you can watch the best 4K content
    https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/where-and-how-to-watch-4k-uhd-content/

    Prime Video vs. Amazon Video: What Is The Difference?
    https://www.techtimes.com/articles/138078/20160304/prime-video-vs-amazon-what-difference.htm
     
  3. Huntn thread starter macrumors P6

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    Ultra HD – Everything You Need To Know About 4K TV- http://goconnect-it.com/2015/08/27/ultra-hd-what-you-need-to-know/ (from 2015, but good info).

    HDMI vs Component Cables?
    https://www.bluejeanscable.com/articles/dvihdmicomponent.htm
    I was shocked to find component cable connectors on my 4k TV. Since I have component cables already in the walls, I wondered, should I just use them? Research indicates that HDMI is digital, Component Cables are analog, but there is no date on this article and no mention of 4K.

    As a 1080 reference, there are occasions where a long cable run is required, that Component Cables maybe more robust signal wise, yet, for lack of a definitive statement, I suspect that they will not fulfill the role of delivering a 60fps, 4K signal. I’ve not verified this for sure.
     
  4. rhett7660 macrumors G5

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    If I remember correctly, component cables will most likely down sample the 4K video to 1080p. Also, are you going to have a receiver in the mix of this or just go directly from the source to the TV? I didn't see it mentioned hence my question.
     
  5. Huntn, Apr 18, 2019
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    What I have currently is 1080 TiVo (from Suddenlink) unit rated for 1080. It has both component cable and HDMI. Suddenlink (which I plan on dumping) is transitioning to a 4K DVR unit they are calling an Altice box. But technically it’s not yet available for existing customers.

    I’ve found nothing that says Component Cables work for transmitting a 4k signal.

    So since I am swapping out the TV, I’m going to swap out the component cable to be replaced by three 2.0 standard HDMI cables. One to the TV for any future DVR provided by a cable company (for when I switch back. Ya never know, right? ;)), one for Apple TV, and I’m hoping that the TV itself has all the channels I use with my Roku box, (Netflix, Prime Video, and acorn) so that will give me a spare. Sling TV or Hulu Live will be in my future.

    Connecting smart TV to internet without a cable box? I’ve just thought of something! My smart TV has channels that it can download, but how do I connect it to the internet without the cable box? I’m assuming I need to run an Ethernet cable from the router to the TV. Will this give me a 4K signal? The answer appears to be yes. And wondering will my current router provide a 4k signal? It should, it’s not that old. ;)

    More research: https://support.vizio.com/s/article...DTV-Wirelessly-to-the-Internet?language=en_US
    I think this Vizio P Series TV will connect wirelessly to my router, but the question is for 4k, is an ethernet cable better? I believe wired is faster. Which brings up the next question- Cat 7 or 8 Ethernet cable- Can both do 4k?

    Going with Cat7: https://www.imore.com/best-ethernet-cables-apple-tv-4k

    ... sorry for gushing. ;)
     
  6. rhett7660 macrumors G5

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    So you are not going to be using a receiver at all for any pass through or external speakers, correct?
     
  7. daimos macrumors regular

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    Cellphones are distracting in the theater. I imagine a fireplace at the bottom of the tv has the same effect.
    I don't get why people do it.
     
  8. Huntn, Apr 22, 2019
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    I’m using a sound bar connected to the TV with an optical connection.

    With the help of my neighbor got the old TV down today and the new TV up. Ran new HDMI cables through the wall. Cranked up Netflix on the TV and was advised UltraHD on Netflix is an extra $5 per month. Had to do it. :) Turned on Our Planet and was blown away by the picture as I knew I would. The resolution and depth in this picture is amazing. The tropical forest vistas are stunning.

    The 55” Sony will go in our bedroom, replacing a 35” flat screen.
     
  9. Huntn, May 2, 2019
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    App capabilities of Smart TVs- Chromecast on Vizio
    When I went to buy my Vizio 65” 4k, the salesman at Costco said that because it has a built in hub, that this is the equivalent to Roku or Apple TV.

    In the case of Vizio, if you have a model with Vizio Internet Apps Plus, this maybe the case (https://www.vizio.com/via-chart), but if you a have model 2018 or newer modell with Chromecast built in, this does not appear to be the case. It does have a set of apps that come on it, including Netflix, Prime Video, and others.

    But if I understand it correctly, instead Chromecast expects you to cast apps not installed on it by default, from your mobile device?? (https://www.lifewire.com/add-manage-apps-vizio-tv-4172016). So until I investigate some more, why would I want to cast apps from my iPhone or iPad?? I already have a 4k capable Roku and Apple TV boxes connected , so I see no need to introduce a mobile device to stream apps from them to my tv.

    Maybe I’m misunderstanding something, but this seems to be the case when in the app bar, the box that says add apps, there is a video how to select apps on your phone and tell the TV to stream that data. It does not sound good to me.

    Anyone familiar with Chromecast?

    Update: I called Vizio and verified this is how it is, and lodged a complaint. Now besides this, we are very happy, so far with the quality of the picture. I still regard it as a good value. :)
     

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