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Your 2 MBP's fall outside of the issue so I imagine you haven't had this problem. Your anecdote doesn't provide a counter to the claims of sticky 2016 and 2017 butterfly keyboards. If anything, it's anecdotal evidence that the previous keys provide superior reliability.
Yep, their older keyboards, from, say, the first unibody MBP up until just before the recent travesty keyboards, were a thing of beauty - unbelievably rigid, nice travel, great feel, super reliable, a joy to type on. But, as everybody knows, the primary requirement of all Apple devices (except the Watch) is that they get thinner, and the previous keyboard was standing in the way of progress on this vital quest. So they developed a new keyboard which is, indeed, thinner, and has reduced key travel down so far it's harder to type on, can be stopped dead in its tracks by a speck of dust, and works up to one-third of the time. Hooray!

I hear the newest iterations of the travesty keyboard are getting better, but that's a pretty low bar to get over. And on a laptop, this is pretty inexcusable - if it were the keyboard for a desktop system, you could simply choose another, but a laptop's keyboard is its primary input device and can't be swapped for another brand by the user. A laptop you can't type on is not functional.

Removing floppy drives and serial/parallel ports was a good thing, even though there was much wailing and gnashing of teeth at the time. One can even argue that there was sufficient justification for, say, getting rid of the 3.5mm headphone jack (opinions vary, of course, but they can argue it). But with the keyboard, they've made the primary input device worse is most respects, and apparently all in the name of making thinner laptops. The MacBook Pro doesn't need to be any thinner! Sigh.

(And the TouchBar is cute, but they did away with the physical Escape key, which, as a Vim user, I need approximately seven thousand times a day, taking away all tactile feedback - can't tell with certainty that you've pressed it without looking at your hands because it isn't separate and doesn't press, you can't rest your finger on it waiting to press it at the right moment, and just for fun, from what I've seen it isn't the very end of the bar, there's a little dead area at the end that doesn't count, to make it even harder to press by feel. If they'd made the TouchBar with a TouchID sensor at one end and a real, separate Escape key at the other, it would have been completely fine, but it would have caused Jony Ive great pain in its lack of complete symmetry. Apple's trying to chase away another segment of its userbase, but nobody else makes comparably great Unix laptops.)
 
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I *love* the new keyboard - when it works. Problem is I've had 4 complete top cover replacements, and just recently, the entire laptop replaced with a 2017 model for this issue.

I don't see this issue getting any better any time soon.

Did Apple offer you the 2017 model in exchange for free? I am "only" on my second top case for my 2015 MacBook yet, but afraid that this design flaw will strike again after my Apple Care expired...
 
Interesting. I didn’t know this was a widespread problem.....I’m going to buy a new MBP next week, so now I’m also looking at keyboard clear skin covers (there’s one with excellent reviews on Amazon by UPPERCASE).

Check the forums and you will see many many complains and reports and so on. I wonder how long it takes until this goes mainstream media !
 
I bought a brand new MacBook Pro for my daughter a couple of months ago and the "N" key started to only work some of the time. A couple days later we thought it cleared up, but now when you press the key it sometimes types "N" twice.

Haven't had a chance to try spraying dust out with compressed air yet, but if that doesn't work then we get to deal with having it repaired. :eek:
 
No touch screen and a keyboard that doesn't like to be touched either.

When the Type A ers that purchased this new line of hardware become annoyed with inaccurate input they may want to switch vendors.

I myself was trying to get over the lack of ports and bring myself to buy one of the new MacBook Pros. The new short throw keyboard was something I thought I wanted...but not if it is prone to failure.
 
This is a great song.

Isn't dust a fairly typical issue for computer keyboards though? I've had that issue with non-butterfly desktop keyboards before.

Possibly, but I've seldom ever had an issue with a previous MBP keyboard, even after MANY years of extensive use. The new keyboard is %$*#( plain and simple.

(And the TouchBar is cute, but they did away with the physical Escape key, which, as a Vim user, I need approximately seven thousand times a day, taking away all tactile feedback ....

Yes, that's horrible too. Basically, if you're actually a Pro, you're now limited to one "13 MBP Esc model that still has a pretty poor keyboard.
 
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The new keyboard is terrible. No fast typing is possible. Never had any issue in older keyboards.
 
Your 2 MBP's fall outside of the issue so I imagine you haven't had this problem. Your anecdote doesn't provide a counter to the claims of sticky 2016 and 2017 butterfly keyboards. If anything, it's anecdotal evidence that the previous keys provide superior reliability.

EXACTLY.
 
I am on my second keyboard on my 15" Touchbar MBP. It is now dying as well, with a failing "b" which types multiple "b's" on a single keystroke. Serious design error I think.
 
I think you may be right.:oops: I ignored the context of 'zests comment in relation to gnipgnop's comment.
It seemed to me that the point was that the previous keyboards all worked pretty much forever, and for me the new ones are a pointless, half-arsed design challenge that no one needed in the MacBook Pro. Never mind the waste of time and space that the TouchBar is. All that was required was the TouchID "button" that could have replaced the eject key or whatever it was on the Retina series. Removing the escape key (and the function keys) was a pointless, user hostile move made by wankers trying to make a name for themselves and didn't even understand the amazing abilities of the TrackPad. At least I hope it wasn't anything to do do with Ive, who I must assume was totally absorbed in the new user hostile (but beautiful) Disney World, or Apple World, whatever it is.
Either way, we're probably screwed if they really think the new laptops are any more than Air replacements, which at least had MagSafe and useful ports. How many adapters did you need for the Air or previous Pros?
 
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Check out the guy's messy apartment in the background - he's going to need a sealed Toughbook to deal with the level of dust in there!
 
Check out the guy's messy apartment in the background - he's going to need a sealed Toughbook to deal with the level of dust in there!

I've seen MBPs used in all kinds of environments over the years... and for the most part, it simply hasn't been an issue. As I said above, the new keyboard is %*#$, and hopefully Apple wakes up and fixes it (though I won't be holding my breath, or buying one as I had planned).
 
Your current keyboard seems to be suffering from accuracy issues.

Repeated statement of opinion despite lack of actual experience with the problem.

There have been enough people I know, or are reputable figures in the Mac, Podcasting, YouTube, etc. communities who are having issues and talking about it. I don't see how this could possibly be an isolated problem. Plus, Apple made some kind of change/fixes between the 2016 and 2017, so that's somewhat an admission there is a problem.

And, I won't be having an actual experience, because I'm not going to spend $2k-3k on a 'pro' product that isn't built properly.
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Check out the guy's messy apartment in the background - he's going to need a sealed Toughbook to deal with the level of dust in there!

You might also check the guys other videos to see how big of a Mac fan he is. For example, his was the video used to defend Apple by SJ when 'antennagate' happened.
 
My apologies, I didn't realize where you were coming from. :oops:

Yep, I sold my iMac anticipating getting a MBP as a sole computer, so I'm stuck with a MBA for a while (it was the mobile compliment to my iMac). Now I'm probably going to have to add a desktop back into the mix, as the MBP just isn't viable any longer. (BTW, I've owned several MBPs over the years.)
 
Yeah, the MacBook keyboard does get a little sticky every few months.

There's a few tricks to fixing the issue yourself though.
1. You can turn the keyboard upside down and tap it from behind.
2. You can massage the key around.
3. You can tap on the key a few times.

I made a video about it here:

Hope it helps.
 
Happens to me periodically. Top-spec'ed 15" preordered on release.
But it is not exclusive to my spacebar.

Happens with: Spacebar, Up-arrow, D and Return.

When it happens it usually lasts for a couple of days, then goes away for 3-4 weeks.
It is my work computer, so I haven't got the time to send or turn it in it for repair. And since there is no Apple Store in Denmark, I can't have it fixed immediately.

(Yep, I always try stuff like turning it on its side and tapping the bottom and the keys etc to release dirt or whatever).

Are you reading this, Tim?
: )
 
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