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Meanwhile the standard ATV YouTube app is an ancient relic which resembles an MS-DOS app, is pretty much devoid of any YouTube functionality beyond playing videos, and doesn't support 4K or HDR.

Priorities Google, priorities.
 
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I've been considering this for a while. I signed up for a trail during the Golden Globes and really liked the UI on web (I have a roku and the app wasnt out yet at the time). I have fios internet now and adding TV is the same price as YouTube TV. But I can get way more on YouTube TV then what I can get with the basic fios package. Plus I dont have to pay to rent a device. I personally think this is a great deal.
 
Yes I would expect that since it's a LOT more than Netflix and it's just sports really. Google would not be hurting supporting this niche of users. My opinion of course.

More importantly ... if I download this app ... does it permanently replace the standard Youtube AppleTV 4 app that shipped and is currently installed on my AppleTV?
I think you're confused about what YouTubeTV is...
 
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I hope we get some customization/filtering/blacklisting options for channels...

One example (no offense intended to those who like it), but I never want to see a single mention, ever, of Fox News in the interface. Need a place in settings to block out things that you have no interest in now, in the past or in the future.

I have this feeling that YouTubeTV is probably missing things like that due to licensing restrictions/agreements.
 
What I *would* expect is live TV for less than $35 a month!
My Comcast cable package gives me all the local network stations for $18/month and Comcast isn't exactly known as the "king of values".


You expect live tv without commercials for $35? Are you serious?
 
I've used (and paid for) DirectTV Now, Hulu and the CBS app for live TV. Out of all of them I prefer Hulu. The main reason being image quality. Hulu streams have WAY less compression than DirectTV Now or the CBS app (even for CBS!). Another big win for Hulu is that pausing live TV and scrubbing using the Apple TV remote works seamlessly. Not very true for DirectTV Now.

Also: you have all of Hulu and the Hulu interface for watching VOD is 100000000x better than the stupid VOD interface on DirectTV Now. The DirectTV Now VOD interface feels like one of those terrible cable boxes from 15 years ago.

I _do_ wish there was a grid/guide on Hulu for LiveTV... but once you get used to the Hulu way of doing things it's not bad. Also: they are actively improving their live streaming interface right now (with a few upgrades to the way your DVR works just this week).

I'm also pretty excited about what Hulu is going to do for the Olympics. Just this week when you signed into Hulu it asked you to mark your favorite Olympic sports... I think they're going to have a customized GUI just for catching up on the pieces of the Olympics you enjoy. We'll have to wait and see!
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I wondering about cord cutters like me, will NBC sports app need a cable subscription for the Super Bowl?

No! Everyone can stream the Super Bowl using the NBC Sports app for free:

https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/1/16950792/super-bowl-2018-how-to-watch-live-stream-time
 
None of this really matters when most of us have no DirecTV DVR.

So sign up for the beta. It's free, easy, and they aren't shy about getting it activated. It also doesn't shut off the regular app, so you could switch back. I have both installed, but there isn't really a good reason because there isn't anything wrong with the beta.
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How do you expect to skip live tv?

By wishing your life away.
 
Is anyone else using multiple accounts as part of the family sharing? I was really looking forward to the availability of the native Apple TV app, but I don't see an easy way to switch between accounts, short of signing out of one and going back through the activation process with a different account. Are the other platforms this way also? Seems like an odd decision for a device that will most likely be used by multiple people.
 
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No, Youtube Red is a separate subscription.

As I understand it, Youtube TV does INCLUDE a YouTube Red subscription, although it's a separate app. (Regular YouTube app.)

We have DirecTV Now and don't have the DVR option. If I remember correctly the DVR option is still in beta and only available to a few lucky customers
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Whoops, I'd forgotten about that. I do have it notated on my little cheat sheet, so scratch one off. I'd planned on trying DirectTV Now once they get the DVR option. Anyone know if I can try the beta even if on a trial?

I've used (and paid for) DirectTV Now, Hulu and the CBS app for live TV. Out of all of them I prefer Hulu. The main reason being image quality.
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Great to know! Now I'm looking forward to trying it. I'm cancelling my Playstation Vue trial early today, and will start a Hulu Live trial today. The great bonus there is access to the regular Hulu library to boot.
 
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Is anyone else using multiple accounts as part of the family sharing? I was really looking forward to the availability of the native Apple TV app, but I don't see an easy way to switch between accounts, short of signing out of one and going back through the activation process with a different account. Are the other platforms this way also? Seems like an odd decision for a device that will most likely be used by multiple people.

The way Netflix does it works perfectly - simple, fast and intuitive. Signing out and back in is a horrible way of doing it.
 
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What kills the whole service for me isn't the lack of certain channels, it's the terrible policy on DVR'd content. Once a show is available on-demand (typically withing 24 hours of airing), your DVR'd version of it gets replaced with the on-demand version. What this means is now you can't fast forward through commercials. No thanks YouTube. Not paying you money to be forced to watch 8+ minutes of commercials per half hour show. No wonder DVR storage is "unlimited", because they reserve the unlimited right to remove your recorded content and replace it with versions that have commercials that can't be fast forwarded.

Actually more like 16 minutes. Most hour broadcasts have about 44 minutes of content. No idea how much is added to a 2 hour movie. We probably watch over 95% of our viewing content via DVR, mainly for time shifting, but another advantage is no commercials.
 
No al a carte, no buy... if I were in America. I'm in Canada. $7 or more per month goes towards ESPN-- a bloated, money-hog wasted for even a few seconds of my eyeballs.

This is the same old blob concept, spray painted (Apple) Space Gray in looks (futuristic linear OTT format); same problems.

In Canada, we have a CRTC-mandated "skinny basic" on cable/sat/fibe: with just Canadian broadcast networks, 1 weather & 1 news cable channel... plus an Aboriginal channel & 2 disabilities channel (descriptive video; English & French) for $25 a month max. No sports. No general entertainment channels (TBS). While it sounds so-so in concept, Canadian OTA is an absolute pathetic joke in sheer number of channels & OTA availability. It's a rip off. But, at least it can be a gateway to buy other packages or a la carte channels.

Americans are damn lucky to have so many broadcast networks, then a bountiful digital sub-channel options (METV, AntennaTV, Cozi, etc.). Offer that for $15 a month, I'd sign up willingly.

Our CRTC makes pick-and-pay for each channel (also can choose 10 channels for $20), plus an option of packages of no more than 7 channels. So many options for flexibility. Down side: Disney Channel goes for about $7 a la carte. Better value in buying a "kids tv" package with 3 more channels.

No. The problem is because of Comcast, Viacom, Warner, Fox mafias, they make you take BET, just because Viacom also owns Comedy Central & *that's* the channel you want. My first paragraph feeling.
 
How is it the best? The DirecTV now DVR starts recording as soon as you hit record and it is available on all your device even while still recording. Does the YouTube TV DVR start the recording when the show or movie began not when you hit record, even if you missed part of it? Does it automatically remove ads from the original broadcast? Does it make the recording available offline so you can share it with your friends? What is it about the Youtube TV DVR that makes it so good. I want YouTube Red, but I can't justify the $10 price. Youtube TV has less channels for the same price, and no $5 HBO option.

Seriously, I want someone to sell me on this because I'd rather NOT give AT&T my money. I am actively trying to sell myself that it's worth switching.

I just got the ATV 4K for free if I prepaid 4 months of DTVnow based on this comment. Where’s the DVR?! Still a good deal, but otherwise I’ll stay with YouTubeTV
 
I just got the ATV 4K for free if I prepaid 4 months of DTVnow based on this comment. Where’s the DVR?! Still a good deal, but otherwise I’ll stay with YouTubeTV

The DVR service they offer is part of their free beta.
 
I just got the ATV 4K for free if I prepaid 4 months of DTVnow based on this comment. Where’s the DVR?! Still a good deal, but otherwise I’ll stay with YouTubeTV


Its a slightly obfuscated process, but not difficult. Sign up for the beta. You'll get an email confirmation with a code to enter. Then you download the TestFlight app for your Apple TV from the app store. Enter the code from the email and it will download the DTVNow beta app.

After that, start the app and enter your user name and password. Functionally its identical to the regular app, with the addition of the DVR function of course.

BTW, if you're looking for a good deal on this kind of stuff, go check out the Philo service I mentioned on the first page. They don't have an Apple TV app yet, but they're working on it. The price cannot be beat.
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Also: you have all of Hulu and the Hulu interface for watching VOD is 100000000x better than the stupid VOD interface on DirectTV Now. The DirectTV Now VOD interface feels like one of those terrible cable boxes from 15 years ago.

BY VOD are you referring to just the normal interface for the Hulu app? Since the entire service is basically "VOD", I'm presuming thats what you're talking about.

While the interface seem light and airy, I think there's a lot of painfully wasted space, and way too much navigating around to find anything. I recently plugged in the old Apple TV 3, which still has the old Hulu on it, and I like that a lot better. Its very similar to Netflix, though that service has a few interface bits I dislike as well.
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Vue user here since shortly after it first rolled out and quite happy with it. Its channel lineup fits our family's viewing habits best, it was the first with DVR functionality, its guide is most similar to traditional cable/sat (important for my family's transition to it ). Our market has all the locals that carry NFL games and best regional sports coverage for our area as well (a must for hockey here). I've tried all except YTV and this was easily our favorite. The availability of an app helps but YTV's channel lineup doesn't match up well for us.


Which device are you running Vue on? From what I've read here and elsewhere, the Hue interface is at its best on the Playstation, but the Apple TV app is nowhere near as good. I know I played around with it for a couple of days and gave up.
 
What I *would* expect is live TV for less than $35 a month!
My Comcast cable package gives me all the local network stations for $18/month and Comcast isn't exactly known as the "king of values".

So you are paying $18 a month to Comcast for channels that are free OTA? And you think $35 a month that includes channels that are NOT offered OTA is expensive???? Seriously?
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Yes I would expect that since it's a LOT more than Netflix and it's just sports really. Google would not be hurting supporting this niche of users. My opinion of course.

More importantly ... if I download this app ... does it permanently replace the standard Youtube AppleTV 4 app that shipped and is currently installed on my AppleTV?


Ok Netflix only offers old TV content and their own content. They Do not offer live TV. The two aren’t even remotely comparable. If live tv were offered without commercials, the price would be astronomically expensive.
 
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So you are paying $18 a month to Comcast for channels that are free OTA? And you think $35 a month that includes channels that are NOT offered OTA is expensive???? Seriously?
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Ok Netflix only offers old TV content and their own content. They Do not offer live TV. The two aren’t even remotely comparable. If live tv were offered without commercials, the price would be astronomically expensive.

Well I grew up in Cable TV era you know before the internet and unless it was Sporting event (and you payed for Boxing and World Cup Soccer), or talk shows like, SNL (original cast), 60 Minutes, and Johnny Carson (ok I admit I'm not THAT old so re-runs but you get the idea) ... everything was pre-programmed. The issue I see with current TV on Internet Services is segregation of content ... get one channel and you miss out on the programming your after that is served on another station. I see no difference here, not really just different bundling.

Comcast means nothing do me as I live in Canada and have no idea about what they offer. Further to this when I was a blunt pain in the arse as a kid my parents not only grounded me but also restricted me from Cable Television by cancelling the service for a month to 3mths maximum. They worked double shifts and new that A-Team, Knight Rider, AirWolf, (some show about a guy from the internet in a Lamborghini drawn by BIT from Tron), Miami Vice, Robotech, Transformers and GI Joe was all VERY important to me. So I missed a LOT of shows growing up.

I learned to do without so Netflix serves my fix quite good now that I'm older. Internet and regular Youtube fills the void. You may need and understand internet based live TV shows ... me I see too many channels of junk that I'm not missing out on anyway.

PS: 80 channels back in the early 90's cost $18/mth CAN so for much less I see it as a rip-off, especially since their not paying huge satellite and cable distribution costs.

Cheers ;)
 
Is anyone else using multiple accounts as part of the family sharing? I was really looking forward to the availability of the native Apple TV app, but I don't see an easy way to switch between accounts, short of signing out of one and going back through the activation process with a different account. Are the other platforms this way also? Seems like an odd decision for a device that will most likely be used by multiple people.

Wondering the same thing myself. Anyone have any feedback on this?
 
As I understand it, Youtube TV does INCLUDE a YouTube Red subscription, although it's a separate app. (Regular YouTube app.)

The FAQ near the bottom of this page states:

“Both memberships give you access to YouTube Red Originals, but YouTube Red isn’t included in your YouTube TV membership. However, if you are a YouTube Red member, you can watch the YouTube content on YouTube TV without ads.”
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I moved here in July of last year, and actually attended quite a few games, but never watched them on TV. We do get Fox Sports regional, is that what the Timbers are broadcast on? We are hoping to go to a bunch more games this year, so have not really looked into TV coverage yet.

Honestly I don’t know which station they’re on, I’m just trying to figure out if YouTube TV will work for the sports my dad wants to watch.
 
Well I grew up in Cable TV era you know before the internet and unless it was Sporting event (and you payed for Boxing and World Cup Soccer), or talk shows like, SNL (original cast), 60 Minutes, and Johnny Carson (ok I admit I'm not THAT old so re-runs but you get the idea) ... everything was pre-programmed. The issue I see with current TV on Internet Services is segregation of content ... get one channel and you miss out on the programming your after that is served on another station. I see no difference here, not really just different bundling.

Comcast means nothing do me as I live in Canada and have no idea about what they offer. Further to this when I was a blunt pain in the arse as a kid my parents not only grounded me but also restricted me from Cable Television by cancelling the service for a month to 3mths maximum. They worked double shifts and new that A-Team, Knight Rider, AirWolf, (some show about a guy from the internet in a Lamborghini drawn by BIT from Tron), Miami Vice, Robotech, Transformers and GI Joe was all VERY important to me. So I missed a LOT of shows growing up.

I learned to do without so Netflix serves my fix quite good now that I'm older. Internet and regular Youtube fills the void. You may need and understand internet based live TV shows ... me I see too many channels of junk that I'm not missing out on anyway.

PS: 80 channels back in the early 90's cost $18/mth CAN so for much less I see it as a rip-off, especially since their not paying huge satellite and cable distribution costs.

Cheers ;)

I grew up before Cable TV was everywhere. Hell I even remember “wireless cable tv”

So I’m not that young. The reason TV content is so expensive are due to rights. Most studios and networks do not own the local OTA towers. They belong to local affiliates whom have rights to broadcast content.

All pay tv providers have to negotiate re-transmission rights with the affiliate stations. This is not cheap. Put that on top of studios and networks forcing TV providers to buy content in bundles (you want Showtime? Well you have to buy these other crappy channels also)
So with that and a lot of other factors...$35 for a “skinny bundle” is about right.
 
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