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No. The EU is a single economic bloc with a common market and largely shares a single currency. It is more than a "continent". One of the goals of the common market is to equalize costs; if it's cheaper to build something in country A versus B, you can do it without incurring additional tariffs, regulatory barriers, etc. Likewise, free movement of people means people can move freely between countries in pursuit of a bigger paycheck.

You can compare the EU to US and Canada which share a pseudo-common market, and you still get the same conclusion (Canada is about $8k per year behind the US)



The comparison holds on a real and PPP-adjusted basis, so factors like utilities and food and healthcare have been compensated. I've also pointed out before, Americans don't pay for the majority (70-80%) of our healthcare either, our employers do.
Europe isn’t just the EU. Not all countries in the Europe are part of the EU. EU is sometimes used to to refer to the whole of Europe. Which is what I thought was being referred to.

The average mean salary in the U.K. is £37k give or take, which is roughly the same $46k — The mean in the US is $48k
No. The EU is a single economic bloc with a common market and largely shares a single currency. It is more than a "continent". One of the goals of the common market is to equalize costs; if it's cheaper to build something in country A versus B, you can do it without incurring additional tariffs, regulatory barriers, etc. Likewise, free movement of people means people can move freely between countries in pursuit of a bigger paycheck.

You can compare the EU to US and Canada which share a pseudo-common market, and you still get the same conclusion (Canada is about $8k per year behind the US)



The comparison holds on a real and PPP-adjusted basis, so factors like utilities and food and healthcare have been compensated. I've also pointed out before, Americans don't pay for the majority (70-80%) of our healthcare either, our employers do.
European isn’t just the EU. European Union is different to Europe. Not all countries in Europe are part of the European Union (EU).

The mean salary in US is $48k p/a, taking a roughly like for like standard of living UK average salary is £37k p/a which is roughly $46k, Germany is €52,185 which is $58k. France is €37k, $45k. Just because the EU trades as one it doesn’t mean it has the same standard of living throughout.

From my trip to the US (2016). Generally things in the US did seem to cost more. Things that we take for granted, like shampoo, razors and such, even fresh fruit and vegetables.

The thing is it’s all locally relative and people forget, so when they see a someone pay x amount when that only gave to pay y. It’s like wow.
 
The average mean salary in the U.K. is £37k give or take, which is roughly the same $46k — The mean in the US is $48k

No, the median household income in the US is a little over $60k. The same in the UK is around $43k.

Mean is a poor measure because it gets skewed by outliers (very rich people).

Wage is inaccurate because it fails to account for non-wage income, particularly investments and pensions. The definition of wage can vary significantly, in US government stats it doesn't account for non-taxable employer retirement contributions, for example, and often doesn't account for stock options or cash bonuses which are huge in some industries.

Household is used over per capita to account for differing demographics, like children and retirees, people in school, younger families or poorer families being dual income, etc.

Even if you change from wage to income, you see the US is in all cases ahead of the UK: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disposable_household_and_per_capita_income
 
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Well, my current plan (after my Sling prepaid is over in November) is, Philo TV $20, Locast $5.00 (30 local broadcast channels in the Philadelphia area). Hulu $6 (to cover my addiction to FX shows). Which comes to about $35 with tax for most of my cable needs

That's cheaper than basic cable in my area by a long shot and comes with DVR on Philo.
Locast; good tip! I never heard of this before.
 
Well shucks: was just contemplating cutting the cord myself. We pay well over $200 for cable/internet here. It’s insane.

Problem is: Comcast is the only internet provider.

To lose cable, I’d have to still pay Comcast $115 a month plus taxes and fees.... then $65 a month for YouTube TV so I can keep sports?

I guess I’m screwed either way!
 
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Well, I'm glad I was not apart of the cord-cutting group. As I stuck it out with my Cable bundled with the Internet [150MB down 15MB up] which gives me HBO,MAX,SHO,Stars for $165 while I do have NetFlix and signed up for Disney + with the 3yr promotion awhile back...
I think you’d be better off with Google TV! 🤣
 
These services were always up against a wall. They were never sustainable at the prices they were introduced at, and they’re realizing they need to offer more channels in order to grow their subscriber base. YTTV offered a ton of value at $35. They were probably losing money at launch.

Now they’re as expensive as cable and those of us who continue to subscribe to cable have no reason to switch as we won’t save any money. And especially with data caps there is no reason to switch.

Sling TV is probably as good as cordcutters will get in the short term. Sling seems to accept that they’re appealing to the cordcutters and aren’t trying to steal cable customers.

I think people should recognize that there is a reason why Apple dropped this idea of internet cable years ago.
 
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And to think I was pissed when Hulu hiked their price. Now they’re the cheaper option at $55/month (although if you add enhanced DVR, it’s the same price as YTTV).

As others mentioned, for those of who cut the cord, you might as well go back to cable at this point. If Hulu were to raise their prices again, I’ll seriously consider going back to cable. I’m already paying $135/month for Hulu and Fios internet.
 
YTTV just took a steel pole and shoved it up their loyal customers a$$'s.
Just dropped them (have had them from the very beginning). Greedy bastards. Time to try out Hulu+

Those pissed, make sure you share on their twitter. @YouTubeTV They don't read these forums.
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...and just asked those subscribers for an extra $34.5 million per month in revenue in a recession.

The best part is, they are offering these new channels, and there is NO NEW CONTENT out! With Covid, there are no new shows, nothing new being filmed, and MTV was cool back in the late 80s......
 
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Well shucks: was just contemplating cutting the cord myself. We pay well over $200 for cable/internet here. It’s insane.

Problem is: Comcast is the only internet provider.

To lose cable, I’d have to still pay Comcast $115 a month plus taxes and fees.... then $65 a month for YouTube TV so I can keep sports?

I guess I’m screwed either way!

Are you sure that Comcast is your only option for internet? T-mobile is offering internet via cell towers for $50/mo including taxes and fees. Not sure if it's available in your area yet, it's relatively new. SpaceX is also going to be launching Starlink soon - stay tuned!
 
Considering these OTT services like YouTube tv, Hulu live, and the “new ATT TV” just use an internet pipeline to stream. Their cost to delivery channels is much cheaper than having to send someone out to install a cable box and hook it up. So they are not passing the savings to consumers.

I understand YouTube tv pricing model was not sustainable. ESPN (includes all the sec network big ten etc) networks alone cost $10 alone. And they will never offer it as a stand alone cause they want to charge all companies PER CUSTOMER. Not a la cart per customer.
 
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After paying $200+ per month and being stuck in a contract, $65 is wonderful. It's nice to be able to take all my channels and recordings with me wherever I go on Earth for business, vacations, etc. YouTube TV and the limitless "in the cloud DVR" is what finally made me switch from TiVo to YouTube TV, I'm saving a little money and getting much much more in return. No more being tied down with a cord for me!
 
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Wow, there’s a demographic that pays $65/mo for this? Hard pass. 👎

for those of us who still want and enjoy live TV, it's still comparable, if not cheaper than cable tv. plus way more features.

may not be for you. but it is for me. and 2.5 million other subscribers.
 
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It's amazing what available now for OTA TV. We have over 18 channels and half are hd quality.
May not have the premium choices and can't control what's on when but looks better every day as prices go up.
Maybe it's time to invest in a rooftop antenna to see if we can get another 20.
 
It's amazing what available now for OTA TV. We have over 18 channels and half are hd quality. May not have the premium choices and can't control what's on when but looks better every day as prices go up.

Maybe it's time to invest in a rooftop antenna to see if we can get another 20.

Yep... antennas are great! I helped a retired couple buy an antenna after they were fed up with paying DirecTV $120 every month.

They spent about $300 for a rooftop antenna, an Amazon Recast DVR box, and a Fire Stick.

They get over 40 channels over-the-air and they can be recorded with the Recast. And best of all... it was a one-time cost. No more insane monthly fees!

Oh... and we used the existing satellite dish mount for the new antenna! :p
 
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Live sports, you say.
You mean you HAVEN'T been watching the ACO Cornhole World Championships?
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for those of us who still want and enjoy live TV, it's still comparable, if not cheaper than cable tv. plus way more features.

may not be for you. but it is for me. and 2.5 million other subscribers.
Yeah, this is still WAY cheaper than what I was paying for DirecTV. And their app/web interface SUCKED. I mean, the price hike stinks, and the fact that it was only 50 bucks is why I added HBO Max, but honestly, if I was just now ditching cable/DirecTV and the price for YouTube TV had always been 65 bucks, I'd probably sign up. The interface is SO much better than ATT TV Now, which is what I was using before. And the unlimited DVR is great, as well as being able to watch something on my tv, switch to my iPad and have it pick up right there. It's not perfect, but so far I quite like it.
Plus... If you have Prime, Hulu, Netflix, HBO Max, Disney+... isn't that way more than 65 bucks?

I WILL probably ditch HBO Max now though.
 
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I got YTTV when it first started for $35 and was grandfathered though he first $5 price hike to $40. Then it went to $50 (and they did not keep us grandfathered at $35) and I have flirted hard with canceling. I even paused my membership and tried Sling for 3 months... but Sling did not resign Fox Regional Sports, so we went back to YTTV because wife needs Arizona Diamondbacks games. But this $65 might be the final straw. I did not ask for VIACOM channels. I am probably going to get an outdoor antenna and a recast box like someone else mentioned.
 
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