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When will the TV overlords finally just let us pick the 5-10 channels we really want for a reasonable price. I just paused YouTube tv for the summer, now I’ll find a different way to watch football (if there’s a season).

I don't watch Football but I thought you could pay for just NFL Network by itself?
 
I have YouTube TV. I get live TV feeds, and access to on demand programs from many of the individual channels thru their apps, with confirmation of a YouTube TV subscription. I can skip ads. I get unlimited DVR support. I get local TV channels. For $50/month, it's worth it. For $65/month, I'm not so sure. That's a heck of a price hike.
 
Wow 65 is crazy. I had Sling TV for a long time but the price on that also kept going up. Switched to Philo TV(no news or sports). Its only $20 a month. Between Philo TV, Pluto, over the air antenna, Netflix, Amazon Prime, regular YouTube and the Disney plus bundle (ESPN+ and hulu) I have plenty to watch.
 
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When will the TV overlords finally just let us pick the 5-10 channels we really want for a reasonable price.

That'll never happen. The reason is because there are only a few overlords (corporations) who own ALL the channels.

You only want Channel W... but you'll have to get Channels X, Y and Z too. That's the way it works... and has always worked.

I kinda feel sorry for these overlords though. Times are changing. And they will be left behind.

There aren't many 15 year olds who watch live linear TV today... and there will be even fewer in 10 years when those same people are 25 years old.

When they rent their first apartment after college... they won't be paying for cable TV, or Youtube TV, or Hulu Live, or SlingTV.

But we don't have to wait 10 years to see what happens. Youtube is pissing people off today. Same as Comcast, Spectrum, and all the other cable TV companies with their price hikes and too many channels you don't want.

Oh we'll all still pay for internet... but the traditional "channel packages" will eventually be extinct.

That's why the new overlords are building their foundations now... Netflix, Amazon, Disney, Apple, etc.
 
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That's the optimistic view. The other view is that with increased spectral efficiency, more broadcasters are just going to sell their spectrum to cell phone companies and share bandwidth to provide a minimum TV service so that they retain cable must-carry rights.

Most over the air stations have voluntarily given up must-carry rights in order to demand payment of fees from cable companies. So we pay twice as viewers: Having to watch their commercials and also pay for their signals. For the OTA stations, who are broadcasting on the natural resource of public airways and licensed to serve the public interest, I find this outrageous.
 
I pay 60 for directv now Live A Little and 37.99 100MB up/dn. Not terrible but I think directv now I started at 35 if I remember correctly. At least now we get all our local channels and hbo max through directv now so thats cool!
 
Don’t know about all these services but $165 seems way over $65 ;)
At the rate they are going, it will be that much soon! It’s rather ridiculious considering they just raised it last year. And if they become the same prices as cable, then there really is no point to their service anymore.

And what really gets me is this line:

“and that it will continue to work to build "flexible new models for YouTube TV users" to offer a "robust and innovative experience."

That’s what they said last time, and they did nothing of the sort. Instead of giving tiers, they are forcing people into a one-size-fits-all model which is BS, because one size does NOT fit all.

And even worse to do it now in a pandemic economy when many have lost their jobs. Really not sure what they were thinking, but it doesn’t seem like much real thought went into the decision at all.
 
Not even close to being worth $50 let alone $65. I put an HD antenna on my roof and I get 90 channels, and probably 20 of them are HD quality, better than what cable offers due to lack of compression. I get the big networks and a few others good ones. With my Amazon Recast I get a whole house DVR and TV guide that works every time.

I have other monthly subscriptions for the rest of my entertainment needs. I'm less than half the price of what I was paying for DirecTV. I couldn't be happier they got neutered with the cord cutting movement. I can see now that YouTube and others will start walking prices up again.
 
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YouTube TV does not even support Dolby Digital sound. It's straight up 2.0 Stereo, just like YouTube. If you only have simple rear channel speakers, it will suprise you how much programing uses them. It adds a lot to your listening experience and I refuse to join YTTV until they support it. Their customer support SAYS they are working on supporting Dolby Digital, but that has been the answer since Day 1. Of course cable/sat/antenna all support Dolby Digital 5.1.
 
Most over the air stations have voluntarily given up must-carry rights in order to demand payment of fees from cable companies.

Very much depends. The local ABC station is using must-carry. They got into a FCC-level dispute over this which ended up in the FCC affirming must-carry status. I don't know what the percentage is, but it's certainly not universal.

So we pay twice as viewers: Having to watch their commercials and also pay for their signals. For the OTA stations, who are broadcasting on the natural resource of public airways and licensed to serve the public interest, I find this outrageous.

Your point doesn't make sense. Broadcast TV is always free. So your free spectrum is being used to provide a free service.

The fact that they charge for cable transmission is different. Cable doesn't use public spectrum, and as you pointed out, must-carry is free. There's plenty of cable-only channels which charge. It's not really relevant that it happens that the content is the same as free OTA TV.

Besides cable companies are taking something you made, an OTA signal, and are selling it at a profit. It's reasonable to ask for a share of that profit.
 
Man, I remember when Direct TV NOW offered a free Apple TV 4k for pre paying 3 months @ $35.

What a deal!

I signed up four times for that. And canceled four times. And sold on eBay four times. I was like a victim of a violent crime in the way I wanted to make DirecTV hurt for what they did to me for so many years.
 
Well seems FuboTV is also increasing prices., just got the following:


Important Account Update

Hi there,

We’re excited to add ESPN, ESPN2, ESPN3, ABC, Disney Channel, Disney Jr, Disney XD, Freeform, FX, FXX, Nat Geo and, depending on your area and package, potentially more Disney networks to your fuboTV subscription this August. This will include live channels as well as thousands of on-demand movies and shows.

Sometimes to help us bring you new channels at the best value, and to deliver premium features like live sports in 4K, we need to remove other channels and adjust subscription prices. Turner networks will be leaving fuboTV as of July 1, 2020, and subscription prices will be changing.

On your next billing cycle following August 1, 2020, we will migrate you to our Family Bundle plan, which includes Family Share, to increase your simultaneous streams from 2 to 3, and Cloud DVR Plus, which gives you 500 hours of DVR space. Your new monthly subscription price will be $64.99. Other add-ons, if any, will remain at their current prices.

Please visit our Help Center for more details about the addition of Disney networks or the removal of Turner networks.

Thanks,
The fuboTV Team
 
Lessons learned:

  • "No monthly contract" - Rates can--and will--go up. Significantly. Multiple times in a 12-month span. (ATT/YTTV/Hulu)
  • "Stop paying for channels you don't want" - Until content providers insist you include the non-popular channels (all)
  • "Ad free" - Unless there are ads due to "contractual obligations" (CBS-AA, Hulu)
  • "Only way to get live, local, major sports" - Until there's a contract dispute and the channels go away for a month--or permanently (all, including "traditional" cable networks)
  • "One service for everything" - except when you have to offset that "one service" with additional services for what they're missing (thus adding Philo, CBS-AA, etc.)
Let's face it--the business model for the cable companies worked for them for decades. Google, Hulu, and AT&T, amongst others, just hopped on that bandwagon under the guise of radically changing it.

As for live sports, it's always going to be this way until things like blackouts are lifted to allow local team coverage thus allowing a single subscription like MLBTV or NFL to get you ALL games, not just out-of-market ones.

Did I miss anything?
 
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Nobody in the US would settle for an European paycheck either. Median household income in the US is nearly 2x that of the EU. Things necessarily cost more.

I didn't know the difference was that big, it's almost double that of Belgium but we do have great healthcare included.

But the US does not look to be more expensive to live, product pricing seems to be comparable or the same. Real estate is a big difference but that also depends on where you want to live.
 
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This is where streaming was always headed. The price hikes have been constant from all the services (ATT, Sling, Youtube TV, PS Vue, etc)

Funny...I remember when people thought streaming would lead to a true a la carte option where you’d pay $1-$3 per channel. Fantasy land.

Cable TV isn’t so bad now in comparison but the best bet is to pick 1-2 streaming services (or rotate a few) combined with a digital antenna.
 
YouTube is not YouTube TV. While the names are obviously similar there is zero overlap in the services.

And you can just get cable, if you want a contract, equipment fees and a limited DVR.
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neat.

some of us enjoy having both local and national news channels, and local and national sports. plus the ability to channel surf when we're too lazy and find something on netflix.
I know they are different services. I’m saying they are missing an opportunity by not bundling the two together.
 
No, the median household income in the US is a little over $60k. The same in the UK is around $43k.

Mean is a poor measure because it gets skewed by outliers (very rich people).

Wage is inaccurate because it fails to account for non-wage income, particularly investments and pensions. The definition of wage can vary significantly, in US government stats it doesn't account for non-taxable employer retirement contributions, for example, and often doesn't account for stock options or cash bonuses which are huge in some industries.

Household is used over per capita to account for differing demographics, like children and retirees, people in school, younger families or poorer families being dual income, etc.

Even if you change from wage to income, you see the US is in all cases ahead of the UK: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disposable_household_and_per_capita_income

This is right. But I've been to the US several times, and almost everything seems to be more expensive than in germany, especially groceries. So it's cool that you have more disposable income, but if I have to pay up to 50% more for stuff, or like the guy in this thread 165$ for cableTV and internet, it kinda negates itself.
And getting sick in the US can mean bankruptcy for you. Some people don't even go to the doctors because they're afraid of the costs. I've read so many stories about people with crazy bills from hospitals you would have to pay ZERO over here. (e. G. if you get cancer).

As much as I love the US and it's nature (big fan of the national parks), I wouldn't want to live there.
 
And getting sick in the US can mean bankruptcy for you. Some people don't even go to the doctors because they're afraid of the costs. I've read so many stories about people with crazy bills from hospitals you would have to pay ZERO over here. (e. G. if you get cancer).

We're getting a bit off topic here, but if you look at the numbers, the rate of so-called catastrophic health spending, is actually higher in many European countries than the US, including Portugal, Spain, Belgium, Ireland, Switzerland, Italy, Finland.

The thing is when people get an illness like cancer, it's natural to throw all your money at it. You don't say "I hit my budget, so now it's time to die".

Figure 2: (This data is also pre-Obamacare (2010) which requires all insurance have an out-of-pocket cap, and bans lifetime limits.)
 
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