ZONEofTECH whines on YouTube about Vega 20 and Kernel panics

[FrostyF]

So let me get this straight....he says he uses an eGPU anyway but is whining that he can't exchange his MBP for a V20 even though he bought it 4 months ago? (he can't count either, July 12 to November 14 = 4 months). Boo hoo.

He whines about the kernel panics too on all his machines but there's a known fix for that. He clearly reads this forum as he provided screenshots from it, so why doesn't he implement the fix?

Then he goes on to call Apple shady and say they're illegally advertising LOL. Who is this clown here? Show yourself so we can all laugh at your giant first world problems.

 

[CrashTestWalrus]

There isn’t an actual fix for the KPs. There are some things that work for some people, but there are a nonzero amount of people who have KPs still. There is a 100 page thread that confirms this on this very site. The rest of it is him whining.

I too bought my MBP in July and was mildly miffed about the Vega cards. I actually maxed out everything on my MacBook and bought AppleCare so it was a bit north of $7,000. The one thing I was a bit disappointed at when they came out was the 560X video card, I was hoping for Vega. I was excited enough about the rest that I bought it anyways. Had I known Vega would be coming in November I would have waited, I am by no means requesting that Apple exchange my computer now though. Vega is a significant upgrade over the 560X, though and I would have gotten it if it was available.

 

[FrostyF]

There isn’t an actual fix for the KPs. There are some things that work for some people, but there are a nonzero amount of people who have KPs still. There is a 100 page thread that confirms this on this very site. The rest of it is him whining.

I too bought my MBP in July and was mildly miffed about the Vega cards. I actually maxed out everything on my MacBook and bought AppleCare so it was a bit north of $7,000. The one thing I was a bit disappointed at when they came out was the 560X video card, I was hoping for Vega. I was excited enough about the rest that I bought it anyways. Had I known Vega would be coming in November I would have waited, I am by no means requesting that Apple exchange my computer now though. Vega is a significant upgrade over the 560X, though and I would have gotten it if it was available.

I thought turning off secure boot was the fix.

The 555/560X models have also come down in price from all retailers except for Apple and refurb models are available for less too. That’s the risk you take when ordering a brand new product.

 

[CrashTestWalrus]

I thought turning off secure boot was the fix.

The 555/560X models have also come down in price from all retailers except for Apple and refurb models are available for less too. That’s the risk you take when ordering a brand new product.

Secure boot hasn’t fixed it for everyone. There are still some out there with KPs. In my own personal case I haven’t had any since Mojave and have never turned off secure boot. Others haven’t been as lucky.

 

[SDColorado]

Secure boot hasn’t fixed it for everyone. There are still some out there with KPs. In my own personal case I haven’t had any since Mojave and have never turned off secure boot. Others haven’t been as lucky.

Seems like a weird bunch of "fixes" that either work or don't work for various people. Some say turning off Siri works, some say Find My Mac, some say turning off Secure Boot, some just upgrading to Mojave.

I only had the KP issue on my first one and it began doing it right after initial setup, none of those "fixes" worked, but it was the only one I have had with the KP issue. The others had other problems. Oh well

 

[FrostyF]

What I find more hilarious....is everyone who raced out and bought upon release who thought it was an amazing machine then, enough to put up several thousands dollars for. Now it's crap as soon as upgrade option comes out.

 

[UBS28]

The 2018 Macbook Pro has always been considered crap at launch and required alot of fixing with us beta-testing it. And the GPU was considered a joke on the 2018 Macbook Pro at launch.

Me (and I guess others) simply bought the 2018 Macbook Pro because we figured the 2019 Macbook Pro in late 2019 would have a new GPU and me (and others) didn’t want to wait an other year.

But Apple kept it a secret that they would actually upgrade the GPU a few months after launch instead of next year in 2019 like the expectation was. The lack of transparency which has let to many people (like me) buying the wrong Macbook Pro is just sad. Especially since I don’t upgrade my laptops so often.

 

[xaqt93]

So let me get this straight....he says he uses an eGPU anyway but is whining that he can't exchange his MBP for a V20 even though he bought it 4 months ago? (he can't count either, July 12 to November 14 = 4 months). Boo hoo.

He whines about the kernel panics too on all his machines but there's a known fix for that. He clearly reads this forum as he provided screenshots from it, so why doesn't he implement the fix?

Then he goes on to call Apple shady and say they're illegally advertising LOL. Who is this clown here? Show yourself so we can all laugh at your giant first world problems.

Although I don’t agree with everything you have said, this is one of the most frustrating people on YouTube. Especially because you can watch a number of his videos and he will get small details wrong. For example, when the iPhone XR got announced, he had a video where he clearly said that the iPhone XR would not have a Taptic Engine...I think what he meant to say was that it was not going to have 3D Touch...but still...he does things like this all the time..and it really bothers me. I feel like he doesn’t do enough research and only goes off of what he thinks he knows when he makes a video. Okay, Rant over. I’m just glad that someone has finally said something about this guy.

 

[maflynn]

What I find more hilarious

Why is that hilarious? I feel bad for those who are dealing with this issue as I'm sure they feel a high amount of frustration and disappointment as they try to get this resolved with Apple.
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but there's a known fix for that.

No there isn't. Some people had some luck in resetting the SMC, Secure boot wasn't a full fix for everyone and then for those people like me, I don't have any T2 issues (knocks on wood).

 

[Chancha]

The false advertising bit (illegal or not regardless) is somewhat true. The machines especially post patch, simply cannot reach the peak potential turbo clock speed, not talking about sustained speed but even bursts can't.

 

[antonis]

What I find more hilarious....is everyone who raced out and bought upon release who thought it was an amazing machine then, enough to put up several thousands dollars for. Now it's crap as soon as upgrade option comes out.

Hilarious is not a good word for it. We should keep criticising apple for all these drawbacks and poor QC products they deliver lately and point at them as they are the only responsible that their products go south in terms of reliability and quality, since that's the only way they might fix them.

But we should never be happy for the disappointment this brings to a user that paid a ton of money to get a - so called - reliable, quality machine, even if it clearly isn't such. I'm typing this from a 13" 2018 MBP which I use everyday for my demanding work. Waiting for the storm to come (either a faulty key, or a kernel panic from T2, or whatever) is not a pleasant feeling, especially for a machine that I need it to be reliable every day with no exceptions allowed.

 

[FrostyF]

The 2018 Macbook Pro has always been considered crap at launch and required alot of fixing with us beta-testing it. And the GPU was considered a joke on the 2018 Macbook Pro at launch.

Me (and I guess others) simply bought the 2018 Macbook Pro because we figured the 2019 Macbook Pro in late 2019 would have a new GPU and me (and others) didn’t want to wait an other year.

But Apple kept it a secret that they would actually upgrade the GPU a few months after launch instead of next year in 2019 like the expectation was. The lack of transparency which has let to many people (like me) buying the wrong Macbook Pro is just sad. Especially since I don’t upgrade my laptops so often.

Nobody forced you to buy what you considered to be a subpar product.
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Why is that hilarious? I feel bad for those who are dealing with this issue as I'm sure they feel a high amount of frustration and disappointment as they try to get this resolved with Apple.
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No there isn't. Some people had some luck in resetting the SMC, Secure boot wasn't a full fix for everyone and then for those people like me, I don't have any T2 issues (knocks on wood).

Why did people buy it then if it was such a terrible machine upon release? These are giant first world problems. Oh noes my top of the line computer got an upgrade after I bought, WHO DO I SUE?

Regarding kernel panics....that's fair, but there are many things that appear to help, this clown did not say anything about that nor did he say what he tried and didn't work.
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Hilarious is not a good word for it. We should keep criticising apple for all these drawbacks and poor QC products they deliver lately and point at them as they are the only responsible that their products go south in terms of reliability and quality, since that's the only way they might fix them.

But we should never be happy for the disappointment this brings to a user that paid a ton of money to get a - so called - reliable, quality machine, even if it clearly isn't such. I'm typing this from a 13" 2018 MBP which I use everyday for my demanding work. Waiting for the storm to come (either a faulty key, or a kernel panic from T2, or whatever) is not a pleasant feeling, especially for a machine that I need it to be reliable every day with no exceptions allowed.

It's hilarious because it's a giant first world problem. You think a $350 upgrade is a big deal....I've purchased 6-figure vehicles that came out with significant changes months later causing mine to drop 5 figures in value.

 

[Ploki]

It's hilarious because it's a giant first world problem. You think a $350 upgrade is a big deal....I've purchased 6-figure vehicles that came out with significant changes months later causing mine to drop 5 figures in value.

Weird flex, but okay.

So corporate screwing customers if fine because another corporate screwed you for more money?
2018 15" macbook pros:
- throttled to 0,8 GHz and performed worse than 2017 out of the box
- have audio crackles
- still have keyboard issues
- were updated with decent dGPU 3 months after release.

it was a rushed crappy release. If your "6-figure vehicle" was so broken upon release it wouldnt work for what it was designed for, you would've wanted a refund, and if you had dealt with that company for 3 months and they still wouldn't fix it, you bet you would be mad when a new one came out while your machine, still not fully working, suddenly depreciated in value.

He whines about the kernel panics too on all his machines but there's a known fix for that.

oh right, the fix that hinders computers functionality.
its not a fix, its a workaround for issue that shouldn't exist on a released product for quarter of a year.

 

[FrostyF]

Weird flex, but okay.

So corporate screwing customers if fine because another corporate screwed you for more money?
2018 15" macbook pros:
- throttled to 0,8 GHz and performed worse than 2017 out of the box
- have audio crackles
- still have keyboard issues
- were updated with decent dGPU 3 months after release.

it was a rushed crappy release. If your "6-figure vehicle" was so broken upon release it wouldnt work for what it was designed for, you would've wanted a refund, and if you had dealt with that company for 3 months and they still wouldn't fix it, you bet you would be mad when a new one came out while your machine, still not fully working, suddenly depreciated in value.

Again, if it was such a terrible machine, why did people buy it in the first place, and if they did buy it and experienced all those problems, why didn't they return it?

I had the air suspension fail on my vehicle within 100km of ownership....**** happens. I took it back and they fixed it immediately, even took parts out of another vehicle so I didn't have to wait for parts to be shipped from overseas. I didn't demand a refund.

 

[Ploki]

Again, if it was such a terrible machine, why did people buy it in the first place, and if they did buy it and experienced all those problems, why didn't they return it?

I had the air suspension fail on my vehicle within 100km of ownership....**** happens. I took it back and they fixed it immediately, even took parts out of another vehicle so I didn't have to wait for parts to be shipped from overseas. I didn't demand a refund.

I can tell you for my case:
- early adopter, i didn't know its ****.
- return period is 14 days, before i migrated a week passed already. discovered issues after 13 days of purchase, opened a case, and was confident apple would fix it
- waited 40 days on the phone back/forth with apple support, doing system dumps and recordings... before i lost my mind and told them i want a refund
- sent computer in for service, was without a computer for 14 days before apple figured it took them way too long to fix an issue they apparently couldn't fix, finally got a refund for it.

If i knew apple would drag me through all this I'd have requested a refund immediately.

Also, I was pissed about Vega too, and since i got a refund i could order one - but I don't care about it anymore - I don't want a 15"er anymore because i think they're not built well this time around.

 

[maflynn]

Why did people buy it then if it was such a terrible machine upon release? These are giant first world problems. Oh noes my top of the line computer got an upgrade after I bought, WHO DO I SUE?

When I bought the machine there was a promise that the keyboard issue was resolved, there was no mention of the T2 crashes, nor of coil whine or of speaker crackle. From all appearances it was a good machine, and for me, it has (and is) a good machine

 

[FrostyF]

When I bought the machine there was a promise that the keyboard issue was resolved, there was no mention of the T2 crashes, nor of coil whine or of speaker crackle. From all appearances it was a good machine, and for me, it has (and is) a good machine

I don't think any company has gone on stage at a product release event and notified customers of all the potential problems they will experience on the product they're shilling.

 

[maflynn]

I don't think any company has gone on stage at a product release event and notified customers of all the potential problems they will experience on the product they're shilling.

I'm not sure I get your point. I wasn't expecting them to say there were issues, but by the same token, I was surprised to hear from other owners of the issues they were having, i.e., T2 crashing. I also don't think apple knowingly knew about most of those issues. The coil whine and speaker crackle seem to only impact a small subset of owners so its quite possible that those issues didn't come to light in their QC evaluation.

 

[FrostyF]

"there was no mention of the T2 crashes, nor of coil whine or of speaker crackle."

The way you wrote this, it seemed like you expected them to notify people that these issues were present upon release.

 

[maflynn]

"there was no mention of the T2 crashes, nor of coil whine or of speaker crackle."

The way you wrote this, it seemed like you expected them to notify people that these issues were present upon release.

I just said there was no mention, I didn't mean to imply mention from Apple. I meant lack of any information, which is not unusual since I bought it right after it was available.

 

[FrostyF]

I just said there was no mention, I didn't mean to imply mention from Apple. I meant lack of any information, which is not unusual since I bought it right after it was available.

Isn't that the situation for literally every new product from any company?

 

[Manzanito]

I thought turning off secure boot was the fix.

The 555/560X models have also come down in price from all retailers except for Apple and refurb models are available for less too. That’s the risk you take when ordering a brand new product.

Lately that hasn’t been exactly a risk with apple and computers. Buying a computer only to have a new model so soon, I mean. The problem is that they used to update computers on a timely manner. They don’t do that anymore.

I’m not saying that updating their computer line more frequently is a bad thing. By all means, I really hope they keep on doing that and be once again reliable.

 

[maflynn]

Isn't that the situation for literally every new product from any company?

Yes, again what is your point?

 

[FrostyF]

Yes, again what is your point?

My point is it's a silly thing to even bring up.

 

[maflynn]

My point is it's a silly thing to even bring up.

You were the one that asked the question "Why did people buy it then if it was such a terrible machine upon release?"

I simply responded in stating that when I bought my machine, the problems were not known. You then somehow wanted to pick apart every thing I said, when all I was doing was answer your question. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯