ZONEofTECH whines on YouTube about Vega 20 and Kernel panics

[FrostyF]

You were the one that asked the question "Why did people buy it then if it was such a terrible machine upon release?"

I simply responded in stating that when I bought my machine, the problems were not known. You then somehow wanted to pick apart every thing I said, when all I was doing was answer your question. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

But that's literally the case for every product....nobody forced you to buy blind upon release. You could have waited a few months to see what problems surfaced.

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

So let me get this straight....he says he uses an eGPU anyway but is whining that he can't exchange his MBP for a V20 even though he bought it 4 months ago? (he can't count either, July 12 to November 14 = 4 months). Boo hoo. 😱

He whines about the kernel panics too on all his machines but there's a known fix for that. He clearly reads this forum as he provided screenshots from it, so why doesn't he implement the fix?

Then he goes on to call Apple shady and say they're illegally advertising LOL. Who is this clown here? Show yourself so we can all laugh at your giant first world problems.

Youtubers gotta clickbait. Make people angry or say the world is ending they will click more. Lesson of the modern era. Don’t feed the troll.

 

[maflynn]

But that's literally the case for every product....nobody forced you to buy blind upon release. You could have waited a few months to see what problems surfaced.

You're right, but you were the one that called it a terrible machine upon its release, not me. You basically answered your own question.

Let me be clear, I'm not complaining, I simply pointed out that when I bought the machine, there were was scant information. Yes, that's because it was just release, yes that occurs with every product, yes it was my own decision, yes no one forced me, and no I don't regret it.

 

[FrostyF]

You're right, but you were the one that called it a terrible machine upon its release, not me. You basically answered your own question.

Let me be clear, I'm not complaining, I simply pointed out that when I bought the machine, there were was scant information. Yes, that's because it was just release, yes that occurs with every product, yes it was my own decision, yes no one forced me, and no I don't regret it.

Ugh, no. I said IF it was such a terrible machine (by spec) upon release, why did people buy it?

 

[AndyMacAndMic]

Ugh, no. I said IF it was such a terrible machine (by spec) upon release, why did people buy it?

Because they did not know it was a terrible machine upon release. What is not to understand about that?

 

[FrostyF]

Because they did not know it was a terrible machine upon release. What is not to understand about that?

Wut. You look at the specs and decide if they're worth it for the price then decide to buy it or not.

I think you missed the point completely. When people bought it without knowing Vega was coming, it wasn't considered a terrible machine by spec, that's why people bought it.

 

[AndyMacAndMic]

Wut. You look at the specs and decide if they're worth it for the price then decide to buy it or not.

This had nothing to do with specs, but with problems that occurred afterwards like KP's, throttling, overheating, not reaching the specified cpu clock speed etc. etc. etc. People did not know that on forehand when they bought the machines. Also people are not expecting from a company like Apple that problems like that will occur.

I get the impression that you deliberately are reasoning in circles to make your point.

 

[FrostyF]

This had nothing to do with specs, but with problems that occurred afterwards like KP's, throttling, overheating, not reaching the specified cpu clock speed etc. etc. etc. People did not know that on forehand when they bought the machines. Also people are not expecting from a company like Apple that problems like that will occur.

I get the impression that you deliberately are reasoning in circles to make your point.

I was referring to buying the machine BY SPEC. You even quoted me saying that and are now trying to imply I asked why people bought a machine upon release with all these problems that nobody knew about which is not the case at all.

Let's recap.

• Nobody forced anyone to buy the machine upon release without waiting to see what problems occur
• Anyone who bought upon release must have been happy with the SPECS or else they wouldn't have bought
• Buying any product blindly has risks
• 4 months later apparently the July model is now a piece of crap because a better upgrade option became available
• Lots of people were dissatisfied and got their machine exchanged out of policy at Apple's discretion anyway, most companies would never do this

 

[AndyMacAndMic]

I was referring to buying the machine BY SPEC. You even quoted me saying that and are now trying to imply I asked why people bought a machine upon release with all these problems that nobody knew about which is not the case at all.

Let's recap.

• Nobody forced anyone to buy the machine upon release without waiting to see what problems occur
• Anyone who bought upon release must have been happy with the SPECS or else they wouldn't have bought
• Buying any product blindly has risks
• 4 months later apparently the July model is now a piece of crap because a better upgrade option became available
• Lots of people were dissatisfied and got their machine exchanged out of policy at Apple's discretion anyway, most companies would never do this

Yes, circles again. I am getting dizzy. Have a nice thread.

 

[Ploki]

Wut. You look at the specs and decide if they're worth it for the price then decide to buy it or not.

I think you missed the point completely. When people bought it without knowing Vega was coming, it wasn't considered a terrible machine by spec, that's why people bought it.

GPU was never considered stellar, people were actually questioning why did they decide to ship the machine with such a poor chip.

However, people were so hungry for a RAM and CPU upgrade that hasn't happened since 2011, that they bought it anyway.
First macbook pro: 2006
first quad core and 16gb RAM: 2011
first more-than-quad-core and more than 16GB RAM: 2018

it took them almost a decade to make a significant upgrade to the computing power of the MacBook Pro, and people were thirsty for it.

Apple knew that, and shipped an underperforming machine to thirst customers.

I was referring to buying the machine BY SPEC. You even quoted me saying that and are now trying to imply I asked why people bought a machine upon release with all these problems that nobody knew about which is not the case at all.

Let's recap.

• Nobody forced anyone to buy the machine upon release without waiting to see what problems occur
• Anyone who bought upon release must have been happy with the SPECS or else they wouldn't have bought
• Buying any product blindly has risks
• 4 months later apparently the July model is now a piece of crap because a better upgrade option became available
• Lots of people were dissatisfied and got their machine exchanged out of policy at Apple's discretion anyway, most companies would never do this

You don't get it. The machines shipped and performed worse than 2017 machines. They did not perform AS ADVERTISED or *as speced*.

Else please, point to me where on apple spec page does it say:
"5 % of machines may experience kernel panics, speaker crackling or other odd issues"

my issue was severe throttling while using dGPU (cpu dropped to 1.35GHz when under load), doublestroking letter "i", and random display backlight flickers.
I didn't buy a 5grand machine because of these. And in 10 years i've been using apple computer, none of them shipped with such ridiculous issues before.

This is a premium product and you pay a premium price, and at that price point, you expect a premium service. Most companies sell you laptops for 500$ not 5000$. Of course they'd replace it - if they value a disgruntled customer.

 

[Never mind]

I don't think any company has gone on stage at a product release event and notified customers of all the potential problems they will experience on the product they're shilling.

"there was no mention of the T2 crashes, nor of coil whine or of speaker crackle."

The way you wrote this, it seemed like you expected them to notify people that these issues were present upon release.

My point is it's a silly thing to even bring up.

There was a YouTube video concerning individuals that keep on supporting Apple regardless of how many issues that keep creeping up.

 

[FrostyF]

You don't get it. The machines shipped and performed worse than 2017 machines. They did not perform AS ADVERTISED or *as speced*.

Else please, point to me where on apple spec page does it say:
"5 % of machines may experience kernel panics, speaker crackling or other odd issues"

my issue was severe throttling while using dGPU (cpu dropped to 1.35GHz when under load), doublestroking letter "i", and random display backlight flickers.
I didn't buy a 5grand machine because of these. And in 10 years i've been using apple computer, none of them shipped with such ridiculous issues before.

This is a premium product and you pay a premium price, and at that price point, you expect a premium service. Most companies sell you laptops for 500$ not 5000$. Of course they'd replace it - if they value a disgruntled customer.

I'll ask again then.....if the machine didn't perform as advertised, why didn't people return it? Why didn't YOU return it?

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There was a YouTube video concerning individuals that keep on supporting Apple regardless of how many issues that keep creeping up.

Exactly, if you've had enough of Apple's issues, then why continue to buy their products, or if you had an issue with the performance vs. what was advertised, why didn't people return the product?

 

[Ploki]

I'll ask again then.....if the machine didn't perform as advertised, why didn't people return it?

They didn't discover it in the return period?

 

[FrostyF]

They didn't discover it in the return period?

Pretty sure all the benchmarks came out within the return period. Anyone who is truly concerned about these benchmarks would have ran their own or followed others posting them.

This is like saying, I bought a Ferrari, and 4 months later I took it to the track and got 3.6 seconds 0-60 instead of 3.5 quoted by the manufacturer; I want my money back.

Or I bought a Ford Escape and 4 months later I got 32MPG instead of the quoted 35MPG; I want my money back.

No manufacturer guarantees you'll see the same numbers in performance when it comes to these types of things.

 

[antonis]

It's hilarious because it's a giant first world problem. You think a $350 upgrade is a big deal....I've purchased 6-figure vehicles that came out with significant changes months later causing mine to drop 5 figures in value.

Everything in these forums can be characterised as 1st world problems, so I can't see your point. Is it really a matter of how many digits has the price of a product ?

 

[FrostyF]

Everything in these forums can be characterised as 1st world problems, so I can't see your point. Is it really a matter of how many digits has the price of a product ?

Absolutely. A 5 figure problem is bigger than a 3 figure problem.

 

[unglued]

I'll ask again then.....if the machine didn't perform as advertised, why didn't people return it?

Sure, like the normal Sally and Joe who doesn’t read these forums and have hardware issues and simply return/exchange their new MBP for another one without issues. Same like they do for a cracked plastic laundry basket from Walmart and continue on with life like nothing happened.

And here we are fearlessly hunting down solutions and fixes to MBP first world problems before the clock runs out.🙂

 

[antonis]

Absolutely. A 5 figure problem is bigger than a 3 figure problem.

So we agree that both of them are problems.

 

[vmflapem]

Apple fanboy here, but I strongly believe that youtuber has a valid point...

 

[doitdada]

I've had the same problems with the new Touch Bar line. The list from his 2016 experience is pretty accurate. It also took me about the same amount of repairs.

I've been through two motherboard replacements, two keyboard replacements, speaker replacement, wobbly case and lots of GPU issues. The 2016 model was the worst Mac I've ever owned, and 2016 must have been the worst year ever to buy a Mac. Got a refund in the end. I still have some issues with the 2018 when connected to an external display. Have changed the USB-C to displayport cable and the external display with a new one, but it still occurs. AppleCare simply ignores me. They are very polite on the phone, but the reps don't know much about tech, and will try to blame problems with the Mac on you. Dell support in contrast supplied me with a switch after 5 min on the phone for my UP3216Q which I've owned for three years.

MBP 2018 should have been released on the October event with Vega 20 instead of taking advantage of users with problems with the earlier generations.

 

[Ifti]

I do feel for those who did purchase the i9 model a few months back. I actually purchased it myself but fortunately returned it when all the i9 issues were up in the air. Otherwise I would have been pretty annoyed at the new GPU options now available too. However, did he really expect to be able to 'upgrade' to the new model 4 months after purchase?? Seriously?! lol

Apple should have delayed the release of the MacBook until the Vega GPUs were available, or released the MacBook with a note informing buyers a new GPU update was coming soon - hence give buyers the update, but also the choice to wait.

 

[_Kiki_]

So let me get this straight....he says he uses an eGPU anyway but is whining that he can't exchange his MBP for a V20 even though he bought it 4 months ago? (he can't count either, July 12 to November 14 = 4 months). Boo hoo. 😱

He whines about the kernel panics too on all his machines but there's a known fix for that. He clearly reads this forum as he provided screenshots from it, so why doesn't he implement the fix?

Then he goes on to call Apple shady and say they're illegally advertising LOL. Who is this clown here? Show yourself so we can all laugh at your giant first world problems.

because it's a PREMIUM of PREMIUMNESS 😱