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Given what Facebook has set out to accomplish here, I think they actually did a fairly good job. It doesn't look nearly as bad as I expected. But is this something that I find personally appealing as a user? Absolutely not. And I tend to think that most consumers will have a similar response. Even amongst my friends that are heavier Facebook users and running on an Android device, it's hard to imagine any of them switching to this. Well, I can imagine one or two of my friends switching to this, but doing so by accident, and then calling me complaining that they broke their phones.

The reality of the matter is that Facebook already works really well and it's really easy to get to on just about any given mobile phone. We can get more focused notifications pushed to the lock screen or via banners at any point. And more than anything, when I don't want to focus on Facebook or people, it lives in it's own little place, neatly waiting for when I need it next.

But maybe more than anything, I don't think people want to be inundated constantly by the goings-on of their "Facebook friends," because most people have way, way, way more "Facebook friends" than "real friends," and most people only really care about their "real friends." I think this is far more true for the people who have now been out of college for a few years, when the 200 or so "Facebook friends" from high school and the 200-300 more "Facebook friends" from college merge to form a news feed filled with an astonishing amount of utterly useless information. And Facebook changes the way they put the feed together so often, and automatically, that even if you try to use their filters for favorites or whatever they're called, they might automatically start getting assigned to other people you don't care about, or they might just disappear from people you care about, and suddenly you have a news feed populated largely by someone you were never really friends with in high school constantly spamming you to play on their digital farm, because life has been that good to them.

So, okay, it doesn't take much for me to see why I have no interest in this at all personally, and I'd write myself off as an oddball if I didn't hear the same thing more and more these days. Many people I know have gone so far as to delete their accounts. All the teachers have changed their names at the very least, which, by the way, isn't confusing at all when their profile picture is an athlete or a picture of their kid. Many others that have lingered say they only keep it because too many people use it for event invites, but even that's becoming more of an issue in the last year or so as friends that have already quit Facebook start complaining about being excluded.

What all this leads me to think is that Zuck ought to be focusing on rethinking the fundamentals of Facebook so it doesn't become another Myspace as opposed to trying to reinvent smart phone home screens. I think that's a far more pressing issue for Facebook at this point, especially considering that in the last six months, I get the majority of my notifications from bands inviting me to shows or to vote for some song on some website no one but wannabe bands look at now anyways. What does that remind you of???

Whether Zuck will be able to keep Facebook at the forefront of the social media world remains to be seen, but given what I've seen from the company the last few years, it's looking more and more doubtful. I always thought the guy got luckier with Facebook more than anything, though that's not to say he isn't brilliant on many levels. Online social media isn't going away, but in it's short history, we've already seen a lot of turnover. There's no reason to believe Facebook will be exempt from this fate. They're going to have to do a whole lot more than this to stay on top, no doubt about it.
 
Why can't you use an "Android phones keyboard at all?" Because on Android you have quite a few choices, including making your keyboard look and act EXACTLY like an iPhone keyboard.

In fact, one of iOS's biggest shortcomings is the user's inability to install other keyboards -- the iOS native keyboard is outright primitive compared to the more popular Android options.

As to true multi-tasking, which you brought up earlier: I have given up using my iPhone 5 during my daily runs, since I cannot do basic stuff like have the flashlight on while answering a call from someone, or responding to a text.

Choice is grossly over-rated and adds complexity. What you see as a shortcoming of iOS, most people would view as a strength, as evidenced by pretty much every smartphone user satisfaction survey I've seen showing iPhone as the clear winner.

Apple did the hard work of figuring out what they thought was the best keyboard UI so the consumer wouldn't have to. Not everyone wants to experiment with a half dozen keyboards to figure out which version works best. Some people, like you, clearly do, and that's fine, but you're firmly in the minority.
 
Seriously?! Boy, maybe my iPhone 5 is defective.

Or, maybe you are completely and utterly confused....:cool:

There is NO iOS Flashlight app which works in the background. NONE (unless you jailbreak, which I don't want to do on my iPhone, as I have to be OS current).

This is fact.

You can have it work on calls (as the other user said, just hit the home button and launch the flashlight app) but not anything else.
 
Openness to Facebook=Letting them hijack the user experience and serve their true customers: Advertisers.

No thanks, Mark. I'll stay with my "controlled" iPhone that's designed to give me a better, more stable experience first and foremost, and serves your partners after me.
 
From what I've seen from my friends that use facebook, the majority of them have for the most part stopped using it or just don't update, browse as much as they use to.

I doubt FB remains relevant over the next 5 years. Twitter seems to have replaced it for a lot of individuals.
 
Why do they keep pushing the "Android is open" mantra. The truth is that without Google apps, an Android phone is a brick. Likewise without Apple, an iPhone is a brick. I would not consider either to be open since you need IOS / Apple for an iPhone and Google for an Android phone.

Because you can change many services and arent necessarily locked down to what Google says. You can't sideload apps, use certain browsers for full control of the system, change the system without apple approval, things like that
 
Choice is grossly over-rated and adds complexity....

O.K., Comrade Mao.

Apple did the hard work of figuring out what they thought was the best keyboard UI so the consumer wouldn't have to....

Sure, Apple did. But that was back in 2008 and now we are in 2013.

Keyboards have moved one: the popular ones on Android are way better at predicting and learning (like Swiftkey), as well as at functionality they offer (like Swipe).
 
Why is mark such a iphone hater

He's not. He uses an iPhone as do all Facebook employees. He doesn't believe Android to be a better experience, but what did anyone expect him to say at this event?

It's only better in that it can be turned into a Facebook phone. Whether that translates to a better smartphone experience remains to be seen, but I'm not holding my breath.
 
The VPN button only appears if you have a VPN set up. Try setting one up with dummy settings and you'll see.

Honestly i dont know why i bother to reply to him :eek: its obvious he have never used the vpn option so dunno why he "complaints".
 
He's not. He uses an iPhone as do all Facebook employees. He doesn't believe Android to be a better experience, but what did anyone expect him to say at this event?

It's only better in that it can be turned into a Facebook phone. Whether that translates to a better smartphone experience remains to be seen, but I'm not holding my breath.

Do you actually believe this junk?

Android 4.2 on my Nexus 4 is so superior to iOS on my iPhone 5 that it is, at this point, simply embarrassing for Apple. The iPhone is a complete turd these days.
 
So, if Apple's market research shows that customer's aren't buying iPhone due to an excessive walled garden, you don't think Apple would relax the wall but instead ignore the issue and carry on regardless? This was the context of my OP.
I doubt they would because they actually try to protect their customers. Especially the non techs. I was talking to a android coworker over the weekend and he was telling me which programs he runs on his phone to catch the viruses he gets. I laughed out loud because I can't imagine having that problem. If that was the case I would just go back to a flip phone, my time is more valuable than that. The primary purpose for a phone is to be able to make calls etc and maintain a reasonable amount of security. Android compromises that simply by allowing apps to have free reign.
 
Why would they allow a competitor to launch this type of experience on their device. Google+ should have been this experience on android phones.

Because Android is open, nobody needs Google's permission to release an app in the Play Store unless it's malicious or/and supports piracy.
 
Nooooo, it is bad enough FaceBook is integrated into my iPhone trying to do everything using my FB account, I do not want anymore of a FB experience then I get.. I hate integrated apps like this
 
Nooooo, it is bad enough FaceBook is integrated into my iPhone trying to do everything using my FB account, I do not want anymore of a FB experience then I get.. I hate integrated apps like this

Then don't use it, it's that simple
 
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