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Zune vs iPod Sales?

Microsoft owns nothing of Apple, just to make that clear, and of course they don't Apple to succeed... they want it to sink. 🙂

The fact that M$ owns a portion of Apple is a myth, not true.
 
Doctor Q said:
Another way to ask this question: If Apple decided to compete head-to-head with this feature, what should they do differently?
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Here's the funny thing, I can tell you a feature is poorly thought out, even if I can't necessarily tell you how to solve it 🙂 The fact that we don't have an answer is probably a good start on why the iPod doesn't already do it.

First thing I can say is this: Dump the idea of restrictions on non-DRM'd songs. If "the guy with guitar" wants to beam you his own song he should be allowed to decide that you can keep it as long as you want and send it to as many people as you want.

This goes back to the root of the problem with these devices and online stores: The record labels aren't worried about piracy, they're worried about all the guys on the street being able to bypass them by advertising virally then selling their own burned CDs. Sure it's only one or two now people now, but then it starts to grow, and some band ends up hitting it big and getting radio play, then everybody starts doing it, and then gradually the RIAA loses their money train.
 
stcanard said:
Here's the funny thing, I can tell you a feature is poorly thought out, even if I can't necessarily tell you how to solve it 🙂 The fact that we don't have an answer is probably a good start on why the iPod doesn't already do it.

First thing I can say is this: Dump the idea of restrictions on non-DRM'd songs. If "the guy with guitar" wants to beam you his own song he should be allowed to decide that you can keep it as long as you want and send it to as many people as you want.

This goes back to the root of the problem with these devices and online stores: The record labels aren't worried about piracy, they're worried about all the guys on the street being able to bypass them by advertising virally then selling their own burned CDs. Sure it's only one or two now people now, but then it starts to grow, and some band ends up hitting it big and getting radio play, then everybody starts doing it, and then gradually the RIAA loses their money train.
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Hurrah, the RIAA loses again 😀
 
Nym said:
Microsoft owns nothing of Apple, just to make that clear, and of course they don't Apple to succeed... they want it to sink. 🙂

The fact that M$ owns a portion of Apple is a myth, not true.
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There was a time that MS held some Apple stock, that's where it started (I think it was with the second coming of Jobs). They got rid of it some time ago, but that part wasn't as highly advertised.

But MS doesn't want Apple to sink -- they want Apple to remain as a niche player, so they maintain a defence against monopoly claims
 
No way, M$ doesn't like Apple for what it is, for their history, if Apple would sink there would always be competition, and monopoly... 90% of the world's computers running Windoze? what's that? 😀
 
Zune, Apple and Microsoft

I'm not trying to bash the Zune, but I don't think Microsoft is going to be able to hurt Apple's Market share, it's too late in the market. With Apple having 75% of the market share of the MP3 music players with no sign of it droping.

I think if these rumors of the video iPod are true, it will blow the Zune out of the water when it comes to the Zune's landscape mode. The thing that bothers me about MS and the Zune, is the deal MS made with Universal. I think that was ment to hurt iPod sales makeing Universal asking for the same deal from Apple.

I do have to ask though, is how are the Zune buyers dealing with all the bugs that it has? (Did the first iPods have bugs like the Zune?) I read some of the messages and made it sounds like MS rushed the Zune out the door and didn't do any quality control on the software/hardware. How can people buy something like that. Just read some of those messages as they state that they took the unit back for a replacement.

As for MS owning part of Apple, is toally false. Back when Steve Jobs came back to Apple, he made a deal with MS where MS would buy number (I can't remember how many) NON VOTING shares for some number of years. MS has already sold off it's shares, why people think MS still has this shares is beyond me. Basicly the deal was so they would stop suing each other over each others tech. (Why OS 9 had some ideas from Windows and why Windows had some ideas from the Mac OS from that time). It was also to get MS to continue making Office for the Mac. The deal also included that Apple put IE on every Mac they sold (I could be wrong on that, correct me if I am.).


Hugh
 
According to http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-6140649.html "SanDisk tied Apple Computer, with 39 percent of all MP3 players sold for the week, but the similarities end there. iPods led all manufacturers with 66 percent of dollars spent in the category, while SanDisk had 18 percent...

Those figures do not include iPods sold directly from Apple, which does not release sales figures from Apple.com or Apple stores...

Microsoft's much-ballyhooed MP3 player, the Zune, captured 2.1 percent of units sold, tying with Disney and coming in behind Apple, SanDisk, Creative and Memorex."
 
zune is so crappy that they have to put cardboard models out so people don't get frustrated and smash the huge brown booger on the floor. went to target the other day and they don't even have a working model. how am i supposed to see if i like the new gigabeat... i mean zune if i cant play with it? plus what the eff is with the menu button??? On my ipod i can get to my geners without even looking. Just push menu like 5 times and then one click and a quater scroll. one more click and scroll to the bottom. then bam reggae😎 with the zune if you push the menu...or back..or what ever the hell it is called, when your in the main menu it goes back to the last thing you were doing. i got stuck in a fm/main screen loop which made me laugh at first but the i just got fed up and walked away. how the hell is someone supposed to drive and listen to this thing? I like the "ooooohh, shinnnny" feel of the os but it's lack of organization and usefullness quickly subvert this inital feeling.
lol if i had one i would have this as my screen saver
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PC: " ooooow it's sooo blue." 😀
it's funny how much using a zune is like the design of the logo. so comlicated just to make a little square man with a cheezy graident paint job pat his head and rub his belly. 😉
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blindzero said:
guys i think you're being too hard on zune. play with one. it's not THAT bad. it's ugly, but the interface isn't bad at all. I don't plan on buying a zune (my ipod is fine and i'm waiting on a video pod), but it's good to have it in the marketplace for competition sake. maybe apple will actually pay attention to some of the features like the built in radio tuner which is a nobrainer...
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actually it is THAT bad i played with one in a local staples and i pressed the back/menu button like 3 times in a row suddenly the thing crashes on me it kept on blinking on and off 5 or 6 times me and my freind walked away laughing after catching it on video on my phone😀 😀
 
Everything that Mac makes sells like hotcakes... MS should stick to their defective OS if they want to make their stakeholders happy.
 
I really couldn't care less about the sales.

Think about it, if the iPhone doesn't sell, would that put in doubt the fact that it is the best thing out?
 
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