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4.3" screen with 480x800 resolution can display significantly more readable information than iPhone's higher res 3.5" screen.

this is absolute nonsense.

yes, i'm looking at you. nonsense. stop talking out of your ass.

you're just .... wrong. totally.

but maybe with those coke-bottle glasses you're wearing... maybe. :rolleyes:
 
Meanwhile here in the UK, my 3GS on O2 works great, no dropped calls and so on.. Its a shame for some that you have carrier exclusivity in the US but it doesn't lessen the fact that this is a damn good phone.

Why are people so tribal about *this* of all things? if people truly see it as "just a phone" then it makes NO difference which one YOU use. If people see them as mini computers/gaming machines/communication devices - like always you pick the software that you like. Android is nice, I prefer using iOS (and itunes, etc) Windows is nice. I prefer using osX.

Evos strengths are different to iPhone4's, but iphone 4's will obviously align with a lot of people's wants in a new phone. A lot of people, even on a objective feature comparison would be better suited with the new iPhone. No single person represents the usage patterns and tastes of the entire market.

Frustrates me when people think any device kills anything else. There's room in the market for more than one player. The choice is good - whatever your choice doesn't mean other people's choices are bad or misinformed.
 
no ads on android apps? really? no app has ads? and somehow this ecosystem will... thrive? REALLY?

Amen. Gotta love the ignorance from the Android Army regarding their free OS built (and distributed) for the sole purpose of generating advertising dollars for Google.

Good grief, these people act like Google built Android as a good-will gesture to the world. The naivete is astounding.
 
Why? Who says a bigger phone is a better phone? Will a 5" smartphone render the EVO irrelevant? Which will in turn be rendered irrelevant by a 6" smartphone? Followed by the 7-incher? What, exactly, defines the "premier" smartphone screen size? If the iPad gets calling functionality, will that make it the greatest smartphone ever??? Of course not.

The iPhone is the perfect size for my pocket. I don't want a bigger phone. Many people don't want a bigger phone. The EVO is more hip-side PDA than pocketable device in my opinion.

How about I say the EVO screen is too low-res by today's premier smartphone standards?

+1

The iphone is about the perfect size. When i got my 3GS (my first) it took a while to get used to the larger size of it compared to all of my previous flip and portrait sliders. I don't want anything bigger. Thats what my iPad is for.

How many rumors have there been on MacRumors in the past about an iPhone Nano? It seems there is more demand for a smaller iPhone than a bigger one.
 
this is absolute nonsense.

yes, i'm looking at you. nonsense. stop talking out of your ass.

you're just .... wrong. totally.
QFT.. Seriously. The resolution bump will make a big difference. It must make the folders icons a lot more functional too.. At the moment it can be a little difficult to differentiate between nine microscopic icons at such "low" res.. Now it's going to be beautiful..

This is going to be a tremendous device for reading on, and resolution is always good. This sort of ppi could make gaming on the iphone look pretty insane too.
 
Pssst, first and foremost its a phone. And the iPhone is a lousy PHONE. And if you want to make arbitrary arguments, show me an iphone with a replaceable battery. Show me an iphone with a 4.3 inch screen. Show me an iphone that runs the infinitely superior Android OS. Show me an iphone with 2 built in FREE turn by turn navigation options. I could go on and on.

The iphone IS a horrible phone, when I call somebody it actually calls and when they talk I can hear them. But this is the best part: when I talk, they can hear me!!! And I just LOVE to take out the battery of my devices. That's the first thing I do when I get a new computer or phone, I take out the battery. It is so incredibly important. In fact, it is so important, that I like to store my devices in a freezer so the battery actually gets damaged just so I can replace it, because I just can't get it to get damaged any other way. And 4.3 inch screens are THE BEST. Sure, it makes the device so wide that it is harder to fit in a pocket, but who cares about mobility when it comes to mobile phones. Oh and the android os... how can I even begin. it has a glitchy, slow, and unintuitive ui compared to the apple os, but it's worth it because "droid" is in the name. And that is just too cool. And the android app store is the smartest idea google has come up with, I am sure the diversity of phones running the os will greatly benefit the end-user experience of each app (Kinda reminds me of MS, and they have come up with such a great system, I don't get why those silly mac users would ever want anything that isn't "open"). Free turn by turn directions is admittedly better than the maps app on the iphone... you have to actually click the "next" button to find out where to turn next, that certainly justifies not getting an iphone.

Sorry if I am being rude, but I could go on and on. :rolleyes:
 
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Sold.
 
Flash. Video chat between the phone and computers or other phones. Video chat over 3G or 4G or Wifi. A real OS with an even better one a few months away. No iAds to be found anywhere. No moronic Apple restrictions on Apps. Free tethering. Free wifi hot spot options via apps. I can go on and on, but it would make your fanboy head explode.

Get your facts straight. I have thought about getting an EVO to replace my Palm Pre for my office phone, but the hotspot IS NOT FREE. Even the apps are violation of your TOS You could hack it, same goes for the iPhone. Verizon offered free hotspot on the Palm Pre Plus to move tons of dead product. Android will never be nice as iOS. It simply won't be as pretty. Plus, as palm has shown, open source apps are very buggy and untested. There are no oversight like the app store. Some apps are overpriced, but remember what simple apps on the Palm Treo used to cost? And they would always crash your phone. iOS is consistent and the back up system is far superior to any smartphone software out there. It also makes it a breeze to upgrade to a new phone. Keep your lifeless robot. I will stick with the Mac cellphone.
 
uggggg

You know, I really like community forums because of the ability to gain insight from other tech minded folks, but boy have the comments on this site gotten out of control. Everyone who doesn't agree with a certain user's point of view is a diluted fanboy. And vice-versa. All sides are guilty of this.

The user touting the EVO....we get it..you love Android. Great. That's why they make multiple products. Those who want an iPhone will buy one, those who don't will buy something else. The competition is great for all companies....keeps that innovation machine cranking. To be a basic consumer, however, and to bash the innovations of people that you could obviously never compete with is unflattering at best and equivalent to the teary eyed ramblings of a whiny 10 year old at worst. Play with your EVO...have fun.

Why not discuss the product in question here.....and discuss the EVO over at Phandroid, Android and Me, or any other of the numerous Android blogs that are available? Sweet fancy moses....

As George Carlin would say...."Shut the &%^$& Up....Shut the #*#*& UP....Shut the *&#$* UP".
 
480x800 would mean MORE scrolling, not less. The only difference is that's it's slightly more likely text will be too small to read, hence you'll need to pinch to zoom more on the iPhone.

Not really.. there is a point where you can't read a font below a certain size. Higher resolution doesn't help a small 3.5" screen to fit more text. So you are going to constantly scroll. 480x800 is actually a perfect resolution for 4.3" screen.
 
Apple disappoints once again.

No 64GB option.
No price drop.
Wifi only and iPhone to iPhone only video chat.
Virtually identical to the Gizmodo leak that 1000s of people here hated.

A good phone but outclassed by the Evo 4G in almost every way. Screen does seem impressive though,

Uh...isn't the Evo 4G $199 as well? $199 is not an outrageous price at all for this kind of insane hardware + OS (and OS which is updated for free). And 64 GB? Do you want the phone to be $500 (I'm talking the lower 2 year contract price too)? And the Wifi to Wifi thing is only because ALL carriers suck right now, that's not Apple's fault. Even your beloved Evo 4G has network troubles. And by "Virtually identical to the Gizmodo leak that 1000s of people here hated" you forgot to mention the many thousands of other people that did like it. You ≠ 1,000 people.
 
You know, I really like community forums because of the ability to gain insight from other tech minded folks, but boy have the comments on this site gotten out of control. Everyone who doesn't agree with a certain user's point of view is a diluted fanboy. And vice-versa. All sides are guilty of this.

The user touting the EVO....we get it..you love Android. Great. That's why they make multiple products. Those who want an iPhone will buy one, those who don't will buy something else. The competition is great for all companies....keeps that innovation machine cranking. To be a basic consumer, however, and to bash the innovations of people that you could obviously never compete with is unflattering at best and equivalent to the teary eyed ramblings of a whiny 10 year old at worst. Play with your EVO...have fun.

Why not discuss the product in question here.....and discuss the EVO over at Phandroid, Android and Me, or any other of the numerous Android blogs that are available? Sweet fancy moses....

As George Carlin would say...."Shut the &%^$& Up....Shut the #*#*& UP....Shut the *&#$* UP".

You know, I've skipped through most of this thread thus far, but my god, THIS.

+1
 
Seriously, Apple. Would it have been to much to include a MicroSD card slot and a HDMI output on this phone?

I've owned both the 3g and 3gs and I will buy the next gen iPhone but I just don't understand why Apple won't include some of the features that other phones do.

maybe you will get what you want and they will have dock connector to HDMI, personally i have no use for it. I don't know many people that would. Same argument for blu-ray, apple won't implement it as disc media is on the way out, at least for apple's future. For most of my world it out too, I got a digital download version of CS5 when i bought it, had it downloaded from adobe in less than 45min. I can't remember the last time I used my drive, and I was the first to complain when they pulled it from the macbook air.

enough of that rant, HDMI was more than likely nixed (or ever even considered) to add more battery life, and for possibly 99% of users battery life is more important than HDMI. especially when there already is a connector that could have adaptors for it. makes wonderful logic.
 
Why not discuss the product in question here.....and discuss the EVO over at Phandroid, Android and Me, or any other of the numerous Android blogs that are available? Sweet fancy moses....

The question I keep asking too (also regarding Microsoft products, Dell products, etc.) yet no one has an answer for. Who would have thought MacRumors would become the place everyone would go to talk about how much Apple products (and their customers) suck and how much better Brand X is. :(
 
The question I keep asking too (also regarding Microsoft products, Dell products, etc.) yet no one has an answer for. Who would have thought MacRumors would become the place everyone would go to talk about how much Apple products (and their customers) suck and how much better Brand X is. :(

I keep pointing out to you all that in addition to trolls just having fun, and Android fans rooting for their team, Microsoft has a decades-long history of astroturfing as well as using friendly tech media to push messages. They use their PR partners to do this. Among the efforts is flooding message boards with messages that are favorable to Microsoft or their partners, even if it's just to tear down an opponent in order to give Microsoft time to get their products to market so they can compete.

And every time I post this, I get called paranoid for pointing out what Microsoft has been documented doing for decades. Believe it's just paranoia if you wish, but its not coincidence when the tech media acts in coordination in suddenly painting Apple as the evil company.
 
That white looks awesome! A lot better than I thought it would. Still have to see how AT&T treats new customers in their pricing.
 
Not really.. there is a point where you can't read a font below a certain size. Higher resolution doesn't help a small 3.5" screen to fit more text. So you are going to constantly scroll. 480x800 is actually a perfect resolution for 4.3" screen.

I agree, but the important thing is that until everyone out there redesigns their web pages for smartphone optimization, it is how the OS and apps handle the data that matters. I happen to think that Apple has overcome many of these hurdles with the iPhone. An extra .8" of screen only helps for some websites. There is still a need to scrool and zoom and tap and manipulate, etc. I just like the way it happens on my iPhone's great GUI.
 
wait so what is that thing above the earpiece on the white one... it isn't on the black one. It's not that we can't see it, it is not on the black one, look at all of the pics at apple.com.
????:confused:
 
Good Morning world (from Australia).
From a dedicated Apple die-hard!!!

Okay I hurried over to my 3Gs and beamed myself up to this lovely macrumors page.

iPhone 4. Hmmm, there's something about the design that's likeable but also detestable. I'm certain I'm not the only one that feels sort of disorientated in that respect!

Double glass façade!
Impressive, yes. But perhaps only behind a display cabinet in an Apple shop. I mean, yes they demonstrated the durability of the glass, but really it's just glass. The inevitable problem there, highlighted since the Romans were using it, is that it breaks! I don't feel so comfortable having a two-face glass façade, not because it'd break, but I couldn't live with myself if I scratched the back glass panel, rupturing that beautiful feel into a 2nd hand broken phone :( essentially a rotten apple.
on that note perhaps I'll have to erect nets outside my windows, I'm sensing that I may be empathising with an Apple parts worker on some level???

Video chat, like iChat? Interesting, inventive. But not new. The only thing that permeates this to success is the HD, the processor speed to deal with fps, and the front facing camera. But for those that aren't Myspace whores, who will revel in this new spawn of vain photo-taking, even this new feature is lost already amongst the hype. What brings this down is another multitude of irritations - having to connect to wifi, having to both have iphone 4. So while I'm at uni I'll just tell my tech phobic parents sorry, you have to fork out cash in full to become a dedicated member of the Evangelist Apple Team (EAT... Would you like apple with that?).

I'm swayed by folders, I'm glad it's not totally like a Windows mock-up. Home screen>New Folder>New Folder>New Folder>New Folder, I think you get what I'm driving at. Very reminiscent of Apple's folder view on the dock.

Now white! In three words. Don't like it. I think I'll stick to my white 3Gs thankyou. There's something about this colour I don't like, perhaps the way it removes the commonplace cinema black outline? In any case it just, as another user put it, makes it look more like a prototype than an Apple release...

I don't care to explore the other modicum of details, not much has really changed for the iPhone to be honest. And I think Apple may have run its mandate - don't upgrade much, keep them hooked, keep one step ahead of the competition - a little too far. The Augustan Empire refused to extend its boundaries, and enjoyed everything provided in it's "protected" Golden Age. But this Golden Age of Apple you can't help but wonder what else is out there, are we being protected by Apple products against the barbarian viruses, and the narrow faulty architecture the Windows outside provide. Or is it "protraction" over "protection"?

I'm thoroughly impressed and I'm thoroughly disappointed. I just hope my lust for Apple doesn't convince me to buy the Emperor's clothes themselves!
 
Amen. Gotta love the ignorance from the Android Army regarding their free OS built (and distributed) for the sole purpose of generating advertising dollars for Google.

Good grief, these people act like Google built Android as a good-will gesture to the world. The naivete is astounding.

I love this post. Truth.

Great phone ... I'm conflicted. I'd love the PIM to be improved and API's to fully allow integration of ALL PIM into one cohesive application with ability to feed the data into the core separate PIM for sync'ing.

Yes the wife is bouncing off the walls wanting this. I just may give this another try but I need to see what the BB 9800 Slider brings; for my personal tastes.

Build quality = Apple WINS.
720P @ 30fps using H.264 = Apple ties (not the first; awaiting the quality).
720P @ 30fps for MACRO video recording with LED = Apple WINS (1st to do this specifically).
Gyro = games are going to get harder and more fustrating but more precise: Bring on WARHAWK for iPhone 4.
Circular buttons really look out of place.

Got a feeling the new iPod Touch will somehow look better.
 
Microsoft has a decades-long history of astroturfing as well as using friendly tech media to push messages. They use their PR partners to do this. Among the efforts is flooding message boards with messages that are favorable to Microsoft or their partners, even if it's just to tear down an opponent in order to give Microsoft time to get their products to market so they can compete.

I'm a believer.
 
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