It shouldn't do that. One of the good things about Lion for me (I have a MacBook) is that wifi connects a lot faster than it did in SL.
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My new system set up is a main system with Snow Leopard and a smaller partition on my drive to run Lion and keep tabs on it's updates to see if it solves the performance issues on my iMac.
I've been a Mac user since OS X Panther, a relative "noob" to some other Mac users here, but as much as a like Lion's features I can't justify the performance drop for so little gain. There is nothing happening in Lion that is far in excess of what Snow Leopard does, nothing that overly taxes and tests my system, yet Lion has some quirky issues on my iMac that it's not worth the hassle. It takes away from the user experience.
Waking from sleep sees scrolling in Safari stammer and general UI navigation is sluggish. A reboot solves this, but again Snow Leopard ran flawlessly every time waking from sleep. And animations, they are woeful on my iMac. Launching "Launchpad" is smooth for the first hour or so of system use, but then it stutters or misses the fade in/out animation altogether and the same goes for going to/from full screen mode, it runs well for a while then turns into a slideshow.
They are simple animations, nothing Snow Leopard before it couldn't handle, and the proof of this is that even entering Time Machine can become a stutter-fest once the system has been on for a period of time, yet on Snow Leopard it's smooth every time.
Me going back to Snow Leopard is not a slur against Lion, I want to use Lion, but it's just not the fluid UI experience I've come to love on the Mac all these years. Snow Leopard remains the pinnacle of OS X performance for me, and again Lion is doing absolutely nothing ground breaking that pushes the system further than Snow Leopard did, so the performance drop is simply not worth the hassle.
I've been a Mac user since OS X Panther, a relative "noob" to some other Mac users here, but as much as a like Lion's features I can't justify the performance drop for so little gain. There is nothing happening in Lion that is far in excess of what Snow Leopard does, nothing that overly taxes and tests my system, yet Lion has some quirky issues on my iMac that it's not worth the hassle. It takes away from the user experience.
Waking from sleep sees scrolling in Safari stammer and general UI navigation is sluggish. A reboot solves this, but again Snow Leopard ran flawlessly every time waking from sleep. And animations, they are woeful on my iMac. Launching "Launchpad" is smooth for the first hour or so of system use, but then it stutters or misses the fade in/out animation altogether and the same goes for going to/from full screen mode, it runs well for a while then turns into a slideshow.
They are simple animations, nothing Snow Leopard before it couldn't handle, and the proof of this is that even entering Time Machine can become a stutter-fest once the system has been on for a period of time, yet on Snow Leopard it's smooth every time.
Me going back to Snow Leopard is not a slur against Lion, I want to use Lion, but it's just not the fluid UI experience I've come to love on the Mac all these years. Snow Leopard remains the pinnacle of OS X performance for me, and again Lion is doing absolutely nothing ground breaking that pushes the system further than Snow Leopard did, so the performance drop is simply not worth the hassle.
Make a new partition designated for OS 10.6 and keep your stuff on the other one. Its beneficial this way since if you ever need to format/clean install the main boot drive, you never have to worry about wiping your data.
You must have a backup of some kind. If not you're asking for trouble. The hard drive is quite possibly the least reliable component in a computer. No matter what hard drive is used, they all die at some point. There is no way around it.
I personally don't upgrade the OS until there's a completely stable build that can run all of my apps. Upgrading before that point is just a waste of time.
Boy was I looking forward to Lion. I switched to Z Macs again in 2008 as I wanted nothing to do with Vista. SL was enticing. A few learning curves but in 3 years I have it perfected to my needs. So happy in fact I joined Apple whole heartedly with a iMac, MacMini, MBA, iPod Classic, Nano and iTouch 3 & 4 gen.*
So I waited for Lion upgrade until Dec, read earnestly, bought the Missing Manual and excited to gift it to myself for Christmas. Did an erase a format on my iMac purchased in Oct 2008. A bit bummed that I couldn't open any pages so I went back to Apple store and bought Pages. Then couldn't load PSE so again went back to purchase the Lion compatible version. Oops, now have an Apple store problem with my account. Discovered happened to others and takes a few hours for Apple to sync. Worked the next day. By then I had a whole list of software I had used that wouldn't launch in Lion.*
I slowed down buying stuff and started using the new OS.*
I gave it a fair shake- a month. I went from an excited purchaser to thinking that Lion and Vista are very similar in frustration building. Too big a jump for me.
For example, Pages. I disliked Pages save-a-version. Couldn't rename or relocate or even find where the version is saved.
I don't do well with relearning everything. Which is what I had to do every day with my new Lion system and software.*
I gave it 30 days. Two days ago I had reached my exasperation limit. The Missing Manual went back into my bookcase. My install disks came out of the closet. Snow Leopard is back on my iMac in all it's glory. I no longer drool over the new Macs. Perhaps in 2-3 years I will venture out again. But for now I am cozy, comfortable and productive once again.*
So I waited for Lion upgrade until Dec, read earnestly, bought the Missing Manual and excited to gift it to myself for Christmas. Did an erase a format on my iMac purchased in Oct 2008. A bit bummed that I couldn't open any pages so I went back to Apple store and bought Pages. Then couldn't load PSE so again went back to purchase the Lion compatible version. Oops, now have an Apple store problem with my account. Discovered happened to others and takes a few hours for Apple to sync. Worked the next day. By then I had a whole list of software I had used that wouldn't launch in Lion.*
I slowed down buying stuff and started using the new OS.*
I gave it a fair shake- a month. I went from an excited purchaser to thinking that Lion and Vista are very similar in frustration building. Too big a jump for me.
For example, Pages. I disliked Pages save-a-version. Couldn't rename or relocate or even find where the version is saved.
I don't do well with relearning everything. Which is what I had to do every day with my new Lion system and software.*
I gave it 30 days. Two days ago I had reached my exasperation limit. The Missing Manual went back into my bookcase. My install disks came out of the closet. Snow Leopard is back on my iMac in all it's glory. I no longer drool over the new Macs. Perhaps in 2-3 years I will venture out again. But for now I am cozy, comfortable and productive once again.*
I downgraded back to Snow Leopard. I was having unresolved battery issues with Lion and decided to downgrade until 10.7.3 (or .4) is released.
Reverted, simply because I was tired of the battery life and instability in many programs.
Waiting for an update or two, then maybe I'll go back.
Waiting for an update or two, then maybe I'll go back.
Switched to Lion...no regrets, everything is working just fine (Early 2011 MBP 17") - no turning back now !
Ditching Lion on all machines
Lion is by far the worst Mac OS X ever. Terrible bugs (duplicate files in finder, beachballing TextEdit) but that I can tolerate- bugs will be hunted and fixed. Surprising this is in 10.7.2, but with time likely to be straightened out.
Autosave/Versions, however, is another story. I can see how Autosave can be helpful (no more CMD-s twitching!), but Apple's implementation of autosave is incomplete/ineffective for me, while Versions is useless for comparing complex documents. The new workflow takes away easy management of files and versions, and makes Lion the first Mac I've seen (since 7.01!) that I don't want. And I'm putting my money where my mouth is- three brand-new Lion-locked iMacs are going back to the store and three refurb SnowLeopard iMacs have just arrived. Can't wait to get back to the sanity and stability of 10.6.
Since 7.01, I handled document versions in the Finder just fine. Not always fun, but it works. Autosave/Versions doesn't begin to handle the complexity of document creation/versioning in even my small office, and Apple is forcing it on us. Similar functions changing names (so something even less clear than before...), missing keyboard shortcuts (CMD-Shift-s!), erratic behaviour (create a doc, enter text, then CMD-w. Open another doc, then enter text, then CMD-q, reopen... good old Revert doesn't do what it did before quitting, so that's a pretty crappy substitute for "Don't Save." What's more, who the hell wants to manage files in the Finder and try to do it in the Menu (with Revert) AND in some other window with Versions? Nuts. I don't want Time Machine for my document versioning (Versions), or an undo function (Revert); good Save + Save As + option to turn on AutoSave would be sufficient to allow a good, simple, and predictable workflow.
Maybe 10.7 will get fixed, but I'm beginning to doubt it- it seems like Apple made conscious choices to make the OS X workflow (documents, finder, saving etc.) better for novice users handling a small number of simple documents but painful and distracting for experienced users dealing with more complex workflows. If this is the future of the Mac, it's going to be my last one, after 17 years. I've switched from 68k to PPC to OS 8 to OS X 10.2 to Intel to 10.6.8... and enjoyed almost every step of the way. Looks like the good times are coming to an end... makes me sad, but its true.
Lion is by far the worst Mac OS X ever. Terrible bugs (duplicate files in finder, beachballing TextEdit) but that I can tolerate- bugs will be hunted and fixed. Surprising this is in 10.7.2, but with time likely to be straightened out.
Autosave/Versions, however, is another story. I can see how Autosave can be helpful (no more CMD-s twitching!), but Apple's implementation of autosave is incomplete/ineffective for me, while Versions is useless for comparing complex documents. The new workflow takes away easy management of files and versions, and makes Lion the first Mac I've seen (since 7.01!) that I don't want. And I'm putting my money where my mouth is- three brand-new Lion-locked iMacs are going back to the store and three refurb SnowLeopard iMacs have just arrived. Can't wait to get back to the sanity and stability of 10.6.
Since 7.01, I handled document versions in the Finder just fine. Not always fun, but it works. Autosave/Versions doesn't begin to handle the complexity of document creation/versioning in even my small office, and Apple is forcing it on us. Similar functions changing names (so something even less clear than before...), missing keyboard shortcuts (CMD-Shift-s!), erratic behaviour (create a doc, enter text, then CMD-w. Open another doc, then enter text, then CMD-q, reopen... good old Revert doesn't do what it did before quitting, so that's a pretty crappy substitute for "Don't Save." What's more, who the hell wants to manage files in the Finder and try to do it in the Menu (with Revert) AND in some other window with Versions? Nuts. I don't want Time Machine for my document versioning (Versions), or an undo function (Revert); good Save + Save As + option to turn on AutoSave would be sufficient to allow a good, simple, and predictable workflow.
Maybe 10.7 will get fixed, but I'm beginning to doubt it- it seems like Apple made conscious choices to make the OS X workflow (documents, finder, saving etc.) better for novice users handling a small number of simple documents but painful and distracting for experienced users dealing with more complex workflows. If this is the future of the Mac, it's going to be my last one, after 17 years. I've switched from 68k to PPC to OS 8 to OS X 10.2 to Intel to 10.6.8... and enjoyed almost every step of the way. Looks like the good times are coming to an end... makes me sad, but its true.
Paradigm shift coming?
AMEN to that! My distaste for Versions will drive my future purchase decisions. I budgeted for replacements this year but after my frustrated Lion upgrade experience I chose to just reinstall SL on my 3 Macs. Perhaps Apple is conciously driving the new market towards iPads instead of computers? The next generation may never see any value in controlling file management or tinkering with their computer functions because they have not been raised in an environment where it was required.
Moving us toward an iPad and cloud sync environment may be the key to increasing profit as it eliminates the need for expensive tech support. And who knows, perhaps I will someday choose that route.
I have immensely enjoyed my 3 yrs with SL and can probably squeeze out another comfortable 3 yrs before replacing. Will decide at that point whether to return to Windows or accept the iPad paradigm shift.
AMEN to that! My distaste for Versions will drive my future purchase decisions. I budgeted for replacements this year but after my frustrated Lion upgrade experience I chose to just reinstall SL on my 3 Macs. Perhaps Apple is conciously driving the new market towards iPads instead of computers? The next generation may never see any value in controlling file management or tinkering with their computer functions because they have not been raised in an environment where it was required.
Moving us toward an iPad and cloud sync environment may be the key to increasing profit as it eliminates the need for expensive tech support. And who knows, perhaps I will someday choose that route.
I have immensely enjoyed my 3 yrs with SL and can probably squeeze out another comfortable 3 yrs before replacing. Will decide at that point whether to return to Windows or accept the iPad paradigm shift.
Halted 2 new purchases...
As a business owner, I am having a hard time stomaching the forced upgrade to Lion on new hardware purchases. Although I did read somewhere on 10.7.3 Apple addressed the Finder w/MS networks/shared folders (which is completely jacked as it stands), so this will be my point of interest after reading on everyone's take.
This for me is the first time in many many years that a OS has halted my reason for purchase (solely). As I am looking forward to a new MBA (if a new refresh comes this year), I will still await the verdicts on above.
As others have mentioned, versions is completely counterintuitive for me as I need to save as in multiple network folders- so I am not looking for extra steps, wasted burned space to my SSD to protect me from myself.
Lion is still far from my radar
As a business owner, I am having a hard time stomaching the forced upgrade to Lion on new hardware purchases. Although I did read somewhere on 10.7.3 Apple addressed the Finder w/MS networks/shared folders (which is completely jacked as it stands), so this will be my point of interest after reading on everyone's take.
This for me is the first time in many many years that a OS has halted my reason for purchase (solely). As I am looking forward to a new MBA (if a new refresh comes this year), I will still await the verdicts on above.
As others have mentioned, versions is completely counterintuitive for me as I need to save as in multiple network folders- so I am not looking for extra steps, wasted burned space to my SSD to protect me from myself.
Lion is still far from my radar
Versions seems to be a big contributory factor for a lot of people who are having issues with Lion, and I count myself as one of those although I have problems with other aspects of the OS as well.
I'm due to upgrade my laptop this year and I'm really wondering whether it's worth bothering with another Macbook Pro if Lion is as good as it gets. Already I have to work in Windows for 3D because OpenGL and GPU options are just too far behind. I used to be able to struggle through but the lack of Rosetta support has also made key software I use incompatible so the future isn't looking good either.
I don't mind that Apple is capturing new and more casual users with gadgets and simplification of certain aspects in OS X, I just don't see why it has to be at the expense of more professional users who need the options of complexity and control.
I'm due to upgrade my laptop this year and I'm really wondering whether it's worth bothering with another Macbook Pro if Lion is as good as it gets. Already I have to work in Windows for 3D because OpenGL and GPU options are just too far behind. I used to be able to struggle through but the lack of Rosetta support has also made key software I use incompatible so the future isn't looking good either.
I don't mind that Apple is capturing new and more casual users with gadgets and simplification of certain aspects in OS X, I just don't see why it has to be at the expense of more professional users who need the options of complexity and control.
In my case I went from Snow Leopard to Lion, back to Snow Leopard then to Lion on three machines. One of those is back to Snow Leopard. Lion offers just a couple of advantages on my MBP but isn't so great on the MP.
I thought about going to back to SL but maybe someday Apple will get it together with Lion. That of course assumes that the things I don't like about Lion are actually "problems" rather than design decisions. Honestly I just don't care all that much any more.
I'm using MS Office 2011 so I can ignore the ugly Mail, fugly Address Book and really fugly iCal. Also Word, Excel and PP work better than iWork applications, do more and use the Save As that normal humans use.
PS CS5 works much better on Windows 7 on the same machine. After four Macs I doubt if another one is in my future. My current three are just fine for TV recording/editing, Internet at Starbucks and other light duty work.
I thought about going to back to SL but maybe someday Apple will get it together with Lion. That of course assumes that the things I don't like about Lion are actually "problems" rather than design decisions. Honestly I just don't care all that much any more.
I'm using MS Office 2011 so I can ignore the ugly Mail, fugly Address Book and really fugly iCal. Also Word, Excel and PP work better than iWork applications, do more and use the Save As that normal humans use.
PS CS5 works much better on Windows 7 on the same machine. After four Macs I doubt if another one is in my future. My current three are just fine for TV recording/editing, Internet at Starbucks and other light duty work.
^ This. As does Office 2010 compared to Office 2011. My old ThinkPad ran CS5 (and Lightroom) significantly better than my 2009 MacBook Pro.
Given that I don't use any included Apple apps on Mac (no iPhoto, iCal, Mail, etc.), and that the majority of my life is spent on the web, in Lightroom, and in Office, I'm not sure my next purchase will be a Mac if Lion is an indication of where Apple is heading with OS X.
I really hope 10.7.3 fixes some major performance issues.
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Like a lot of you here, I tried Lion and went back to Snow Leopard when it first came out. Just recently, I had Lion installed in a separate partition and was hoping the experience would be a lot better with all the new updates since its release. NOPE. Here are my issues on the MacBook Pro 2011 15" i7 (was pre-installed with Lion initially and I was lucky to have a spare hard drive with a clean install of Snow).
I was thinking of just keeping Lion installed to play with, but why punish myself? Killed the partition and reclaimed my 100GB and am sticking with Snow for now!
- Noteceable Slower Startup
- Applications take longer to launch
- WiFi was erratic
- Aperature 3 takes FOREVER to process
- Spinning Beach Balls in Safari
- Spinning Beach Balls in Chrome
- Spinning Beachballs, Spinning Beach Balls, Spinning Beach Balls!!!
I was thinking of just keeping Lion installed to play with, but why punish myself? Killed the partition and reclaimed my 100GB and am sticking with Snow for now!
I've been reading this thread with casual interest. I plan to stick with Lion. But I must admit I was bullied. Apple said we need Lion to get photostream and I wanted photostream. I love having my photos automagically show up on my iPad and on my Mac. It's great. I also like iCloud backup of my iThings instead of iTunes. I still insist on managing my own photos... sort of. I allow photostream to create events for each month. I then export from those events in high quality, using the folder names I would have used if I had used image transfer or an ad card to get photos onto my Mac. I then import those photos as new events, not allowing them to be copied to iPhoto Library. I know it's a bit convoluted but I control the file/folder structure of my photos and I don't rely on them being in iPhoto Library. If my iPhoto Library starts to get fat, I delete the autocreated photostream events once I'm sure I have originals in my file/folder structure.
Then there are some things that still bother me about Lion. I grow tired of all the beachballs, but I find quitting and restarting Chrome or Safari almost always chases away the beachballs. I also grow tired of that frigging "save a version" nonsense. I don't ever want to see that Time Machine animation just to roll back to a previous file. So I find myself doing "save as" workarounds. Not something that bothers me enough to roll back, though. Interestingly, Save As is still there in Xcode. As it should be.
I've been reading about how some users in the film industry are walking away from Final Cut. I think Apple is in a bit of a crisis. They want the whole world to be(come) iOS. It makes things simple for them and for some if not all of Apple's users. Then there are us old farts who prefer to manage our files ourselves. I still wonder when I'll see a file system on iPad. I mean there's really no point keeping up that lie that it's just a giant iPad. It's a computer and having to use dropbox to move files between apps is just silly.
I won't spend time ranting against someone for rolling back, I'm just not interested in rolling back myself. I continue to watch this thread with interest but I also want to take this opportunity to point out there are workarounds for some of the objections. It's possible to turn off re-opening apps and documents. It's possible to work around the annoying lack of save as. I must admit I find myself using iWork less than I used to. I tend to prefer LibreOffice which works more like "it should" for my work flow.
So my main point here is that I sympathize but I wonder if rolling back isn't a bit too severe. Try some workarounds before you pull the plug on Lion, but if you don't have the time or inclination, I'll understand. It's your Mac, not mine.
Then there are some things that still bother me about Lion. I grow tired of all the beachballs, but I find quitting and restarting Chrome or Safari almost always chases away the beachballs. I also grow tired of that frigging "save a version" nonsense. I don't ever want to see that Time Machine animation just to roll back to a previous file. So I find myself doing "save as" workarounds. Not something that bothers me enough to roll back, though. Interestingly, Save As is still there in Xcode. As it should be.
I've been reading about how some users in the film industry are walking away from Final Cut. I think Apple is in a bit of a crisis. They want the whole world to be(come) iOS. It makes things simple for them and for some if not all of Apple's users. Then there are us old farts who prefer to manage our files ourselves. I still wonder when I'll see a file system on iPad. I mean there's really no point keeping up that lie that it's just a giant iPad. It's a computer and having to use dropbox to move files between apps is just silly.
I won't spend time ranting against someone for rolling back, I'm just not interested in rolling back myself. I continue to watch this thread with interest but I also want to take this opportunity to point out there are workarounds for some of the objections. It's possible to turn off re-opening apps and documents. It's possible to work around the annoying lack of save as. I must admit I find myself using iWork less than I used to. I tend to prefer LibreOffice which works more like "it should" for my work flow.
So my main point here is that I sympathize but I wonder if rolling back isn't a bit too severe. Try some workarounds before you pull the plug on Lion, but if you don't have the time or inclination, I'll understand. It's your Mac, not mine.
I am one who did really well with Tiger on the Core 2 Duo Mac minis. With Snow Leopard, I get more than a few beach balls.
But on an old Mac mini with a G4 processor, Jaguar worked really well and when I went to Tiger, I got some beach balls.
At least for Mac minis, the budget end of Apple's computers, the OS grows faster than the computer can keep up with. I have no idea how Lion would work on a two year old Mac mini. I will stay with Snow Leopard as long as I can and in a year I may need to upgrade to something that can handle Lion, without too much beachballing, and whatever else OS Apple may have by that time.
I don't suspect too many people with higher end iMacs or Mac Pros have the beach ball issue as much as the Mac mini crowd. With my PC, I didn't attempt Vista since the "waiting" or lag time is pretty bad. When Microsoft switched to Windows 7, things worked much better. For the most part, my one year old Gateway with a Core i3 runs Windows 7 without any major issues. It's the first time I have run a PC with a faster all around experience. Since I am a PC tech, the backwards way Microsoft makes their user experience for Windows does not bug me too much. But if I were to start over with a first computer and learning how to use a personal computer from scratch (child or senior citizen), I would still get any Mac with Lion, even with the comments here against it.
What is kind of funny here is that in 2012 you have Microsoft making their OS more streamlined and Apple seems to be making their OS somewhat bloated. Without Steve Jobs, and perhaps his last few years very focused on iPod, iPhone, and iPad, the once sturdy and quick OS X has become a little sloppy. With Apple's increasing fortunes and now being the 800 lb. gorilla in high tech, it was bound to happen. Just like Microsoft's huge rise in the 1980s and 1990s made them lazy and bloated, it has definitely attacked Apple's OS X Lion. I think Apple will continue to provide us with good gear and easy to use interfaces, but it won't be the golden era Apple had in their two periods with Steve Jobs.
But on an old Mac mini with a G4 processor, Jaguar worked really well and when I went to Tiger, I got some beach balls.
At least for Mac minis, the budget end of Apple's computers, the OS grows faster than the computer can keep up with. I have no idea how Lion would work on a two year old Mac mini. I will stay with Snow Leopard as long as I can and in a year I may need to upgrade to something that can handle Lion, without too much beachballing, and whatever else OS Apple may have by that time.
I don't suspect too many people with higher end iMacs or Mac Pros have the beach ball issue as much as the Mac mini crowd. With my PC, I didn't attempt Vista since the "waiting" or lag time is pretty bad. When Microsoft switched to Windows 7, things worked much better. For the most part, my one year old Gateway with a Core i3 runs Windows 7 without any major issues. It's the first time I have run a PC with a faster all around experience. Since I am a PC tech, the backwards way Microsoft makes their user experience for Windows does not bug me too much. But if I were to start over with a first computer and learning how to use a personal computer from scratch (child or senior citizen), I would still get any Mac with Lion, even with the comments here against it.
What is kind of funny here is that in 2012 you have Microsoft making their OS more streamlined and Apple seems to be making their OS somewhat bloated. Without Steve Jobs, and perhaps his last few years very focused on iPod, iPhone, and iPad, the once sturdy and quick OS X has become a little sloppy. With Apple's increasing fortunes and now being the 800 lb. gorilla in high tech, it was bound to happen. Just like Microsoft's huge rise in the 1980s and 1990s made them lazy and bloated, it has definitely attacked Apple's OS X Lion. I think Apple will continue to provide us with good gear and easy to use interfaces, but it won't be the golden era Apple had in their two periods with Steve Jobs.
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Nice to have company in this
Something a bit comforting in this thread. Nice to not be attacked for my viewpoint. When I came to Mac in 2008 it was partly because I was weary of searching and deciding between what programs I could find that would meet my needs if I went the Vista route. Also thought Macs were more creative out of the box. I was blown away, it's was so much fun to learn! Then within 3 short months I realized that to get anything done on a semi-professional level, nearly ever built-in program would need to be replaced with a mid-level Apple version. I did. Within 18 mo I went further and purchased pro-level Mac run software. So my software costs run about the same regardless of OS. I have a tech background so for me the install hassles and trouble shooting are the same for either OS, no benefit there. I tried Linux briefly in 2007 but at that time it was not yet ready to run across a wireless home network.
I don't find a benefit in Apple's Cloud directing my syncing. I can control what I want synced with my own third party solutions. They work on any OS. I am non committed at this point. I like following this discussion as well. It may well influence my type of OS purchase in 3 ys.
Something a bit comforting in this thread. Nice to not be attacked for my viewpoint. When I came to Mac in 2008 it was partly because I was weary of searching and deciding between what programs I could find that would meet my needs if I went the Vista route. Also thought Macs were more creative out of the box. I was blown away, it's was so much fun to learn! Then within 3 short months I realized that to get anything done on a semi-professional level, nearly ever built-in program would need to be replaced with a mid-level Apple version. I did. Within 18 mo I went further and purchased pro-level Mac run software. So my software costs run about the same regardless of OS. I have a tech background so for me the install hassles and trouble shooting are the same for either OS, no benefit there. I tried Linux briefly in 2007 but at that time it was not yet ready to run across a wireless home network.
I don't find a benefit in Apple's Cloud directing my syncing. I can control what I want synced with my own third party solutions. They work on any OS. I am non committed at this point. I like following this discussion as well. It may well influence my type of OS purchase in 3 ys.
After trying hard to stick with Lion I had to go back to SL yesterday. Use my iMac to run Logic 9 on. Keep running into plugin issues that crash Logic 9 which NEVER EVER crashed before Lion.
Since going back to 10.6.8 everything is running as it should. Not going to try Lion again for at least 2 more updates.
That said, Lion runs fine on my Macbook but I don't do DAW work on that computer so<shrug>
Since going back to 10.6.8 everything is running as it should. Not going to try Lion again for at least 2 more updates.
That said, Lion runs fine on my Macbook but I don't do DAW work on that computer so<shrug>
I was waiting for this too, but MobileMe and iCloud have both been flaky. I am still on MobileMe and my partner tried iCloud. Syncing has never seemed to work 100% of the time with mobileme. I decided to use third party stuff for everything, dropbox, google, etc. So far so good, and it works with more OSes and software.
Apple is trying to use iCloud to force people to use their new crappy os. I don't like being forced into things, so I will just not use it. If Mac OS X doesn't get better, when Snow Leopard is no longer really an option, I will not use OS X either. If I don't use OS X I will probably no longer use itunes as it sucks on windows and isn't available for any other OS. No iTunes, probably no more iphone and ipad.
Now I know I'm just me, but I have spent A LOT of money on apple stuff over the years, and I recommended it to all my family and friends, who in turn spend a lot of money on apple. When they need new computers, phones, tablets, they will ask me again what I recommend.
At least as far as Textedit and Preview are concerned, I have found a way round autosave and versions - I followed a guide to use the Snow Leopard versions of those apps.
http://www.formaceyesonly.com/2011/...review-and-textedit-to-snow-leopard-versions/
Pro power user here 
I'm still scratching my head when I see the iCal/AB cartoonish themes & am experiencing a few bugs with Mail related to Exchange 2010 support (my work is using) which I hope soon-to-be-released 10.7.3 will fix, but with Lion I DO HAVE that support. Aside from iCal/AB themes, the UI is more polished and consistent. All other apps are stable. I'm down with Mission Control. My MBP & iMac are both fast on Lion. Auto save w/ versions is smart. Gestures are awesome. I can't imagine not having forward/back gestures in Safari now. Gestures are more consistent. Pushing pages in the same direction they move is logical. I am using more gestures a lot more with Lion than SL. Dev tools & working with UNIX servers from my Mac is great on Lion. The Silver Aerogel in Terminal made me kick a +ten year habit of black/yellow text. Now when I see aqua scrollbars, it looks like outdated wasted real estate to me. Eye candy is slick. My workflows flow smoothy with Lion. There were some changes to get used to, but that happened very fast due to increased consistency and intuitive changes. SL was a nice under the hood upgrade, and Lion seems like a logical next step by Apple to improve the UI and bring some features that feel natural & more consistent with wildly successful iOS.
I'm still scratching my head when I see the iCal/AB cartoonish themes & am experiencing a few bugs with Mail related to Exchange 2010 support (my work is using) which I hope soon-to-be-released 10.7.3 will fix, but with Lion I DO HAVE that support. Aside from iCal/AB themes, the UI is more polished and consistent. All other apps are stable. I'm down with Mission Control. My MBP & iMac are both fast on Lion. Auto save w/ versions is smart. Gestures are awesome. I can't imagine not having forward/back gestures in Safari now. Gestures are more consistent. Pushing pages in the same direction they move is logical. I am using more gestures a lot more with Lion than SL. Dev tools & working with UNIX servers from my Mac is great on Lion. The Silver Aerogel in Terminal made me kick a +ten year habit of black/yellow text. Now when I see aqua scrollbars, it looks like outdated wasted real estate to me. Eye candy is slick. My workflows flow smoothy with Lion. There were some changes to get used to, but that happened very fast due to increased consistency and intuitive changes. SL was a nice under the hood upgrade, and Lion seems like a logical next step by Apple to improve the UI and bring some features that feel natural & more consistent with wildly successful iOS.
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He's my take on Lion. I installed on 4 different Macs, Mac Pro, Mac Mini, MacBook Pro, MacBook Air. Install went well. Boot times were shortened to 30 seconds or less. I find "Spaces" more useable, before I never used them.
Don't find any of my Macs necessarily use anymore memory or is slower then Snow Leopard.
One of my most favorite features is the iCloud. I have to schedule guests for my internet show on iCal. Now I just have to do it once and all my devices ( Have iPad & iPhone too ) have it imported into iCal. So depending on what device I have with me, I will always be up to date no matter where I am at.
Same with reminders. I tend to forget things so do it once and all my devices are updated with the information.
So I'll be sticking with Lion.
Don't find any of my Macs necessarily use anymore memory or is slower then Snow Leopard.
One of my most favorite features is the iCloud. I have to schedule guests for my internet show on iCal. Now I just have to do it once and all my devices ( Have iPad & iPhone too ) have it imported into iCal. So depending on what device I have with me, I will always be up to date no matter where I am at.
Same with reminders. I tend to forget things so do it once and all my devices are updated with the information.
So I'll be sticking with Lion.
In fairness, I do this with google calendar. The only thing I use iCloud for is contacts, but only because Google can't cope with relationships like mother, father, brother, etc