Verizon LTE is actually fairly widespread. I get a strong LTE signal where I work, and even in the little burg I live in I get a fairly decent LTE connection.
Maybe you just bought the wrong iPad?
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Australian Regulators Targeting Apple Over '4G' Marketing Claims on New iPad
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Verizon LTE is actually fairly widespread. I get a strong LTE signal where I work, and even in the little burg I live in I get a fairly decent LTE connection.
Maybe you just bought the wrong iPad?
? can you show me where they say this? By "word it differently" I assume you mean don't say that at all, right?
Again, "most countries" should take that up with the ITU.
If you're going to pick nits about standards, the general consensus would be to go back to the definition as set out by the standards body in charge; in this case that would be the ITU.
Good luck stuffing that genie back in the bottle.
Since most people here don't understand what's going on, let's say this to make them happy:
OMGGG Apple messed up!! They need to be destroyed because of this!!! They lie!!! This is the beginning of the end!!! Apple is dunzo!!! hehe
I think the chicken little scenarios are what make people happy around here.
OMGGG Apple messed up!! They need to be destroyed because of this!!! They lie!!! This is the beginning of the end!!! Apple is dunzo!!! hehe
I think the chicken little scenarios are what make people happy around here.
No it certainly isn't. People are fully aware if they have snow where they live and can make a purchasing decision based on that. It's the same as why that car analogy is crap, people are fully aware where or even if they're allowed to use the 250 km/h that are being advertised.
That blu-ray analogy that someone made is brilliant. What Apple is doing is as if they would market and sell a Blu-ray player, but they sell the same region A player all over the world while not making it clear to the customers in other regions that the region B discs they can buy in their country wont work on it.
The ITU often goes with member wishes.
For example, until about 2000 it categorized GSM - EDGE as "3G". No one else, not even carriers, ever claimed that, so the ITU eventually removed EDGE from its 3G list.
As far as 4G goes, it's not just about speed. It's also about having an all-IP infrastructure, which LTE has.
For example, until about 2000 it categorized GSM - EDGE as "3G". No one else, not even carriers, ever claimed that, so the ITU eventually removed EDGE from its 3G list.
As far as 4G goes, it's not just about speed. It's also about having an all-IP infrastructure, which LTE has.
While I agree and knew what you stated, they "allowed" them to call it 4G. The standard did not change. They simply allowed it due to a significant increase above 3G. So IMHO, or not so humble, it's simply marketing with the support of ITU-R.
again irrelevant. it doesnt matter if the ITU goes with the nightmare they had last night. It's their call, and they've already defined 4G technology
further apple states that 4g lte only works in us and canada on their website.
Again, if you have a problem with HSPA+ being 4G, then you should have a problem with LTE being 4G.
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Read what you yourself quote. The article says precisely that the term 4G is undefined.
Even though the Australian carriers don't brand their networks as such, they are actually 4G as specified by the ITU - as others have already pointed out, it was the ITU that decided to have HSPDA+ included under the banner of '4G'.
If you take this into consideration, then Apple is technically correct when they say that the new iPad can connect to 4G networks around the world - it's just that the majority of '4G' networks are in fact HSPDA+ as opposed to LTE. Apple even made a point of differentiating between the two in iOS 5.1 by providing different indicators for 4G (HSPDA+) and LTE.
This is why they decided to name the new iPad as Wifi + 4G and not Wifi + LTE. They even pointed out in the keynote that LTE would only be offered by certain carriers in the US and Canada.
The only reason everyone is getting upset about this is because they consider LTE to be the only real form of 4G, yet the ITU has already decided that HSPDA+ can now be classed as 4G. Under their definition most countries now operate 4G networks in some form or another - whether or not the carriers want to brand them as such makes no difference whatsoever.
That all being said, Apple could have saved themselves a lot of hassle and have them branded as 'Wifi + Cellular'.
If you take this into consideration, then Apple is technically correct when they say that the new iPad can connect to 4G networks around the world - it's just that the majority of '4G' networks are in fact HSPDA+ as opposed to LTE. Apple even made a point of differentiating between the two in iOS 5.1 by providing different indicators for 4G (HSPDA+) and LTE.
This is why they decided to name the new iPad as Wifi + 4G and not Wifi + LTE. They even pointed out in the keynote that LTE would only be offered by certain carriers in the US and Canada.
The only reason everyone is getting upset about this is because they consider LTE to be the only real form of 4G, yet the ITU has already decided that HSPDA+ can now be classed as 4G. Under their definition most countries now operate 4G networks in some form or another - whether or not the carriers want to brand them as such makes no difference whatsoever.
That all being said, Apple could have saved themselves a lot of hassle and have them branded as 'Wifi + Cellular'.
yes, and i've been saying all along that 4G is not a real thing. because it's not. it's a made up term that a body decides it is, in this case the ITU. HSPA+ is 4G for all intents and purposes according to the ITU. "4G" is not defined because its not a tangible thing.
we went from lack of demand because of no lines, to cars exploding because of the heat the iPad emits, to "4G" is not real 4G. hehe
What's next?
What is your point here? So what are you saying the meaning of 4G is? Whatever you want it to be? hehe, I don't get why you're saying ITU didn't define the meaning of the term 4G as if it's some trump card
yes, and i've been saying all along that 4G is not a real thing. because it's not. it's a made up term that a body decides it is, in this case the ITU. HSPA+ is 4G for all intents and purposes according to the ITU. "4G" is not defined because its not a tangible thing.
we went from lack of demand because of no lines, to cars exploding because of the heat the iPad emits, to "4G" is not real 4G. hehe
What's next?
Those other technologies are not 4G according to the ITU. They just said other entities may be referring to them as 4G, while the term is undefined.
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What is your point here? So what are you saying the meaning of 4G is? Whatever you want it to be? hehe, I don't get why you're saying ITU didn't define the meaning of the term 4G as if it's some trump card
The true meaning of 4G would be IMT-Advanced, but the term is still undefined.
Ok so there's no 4G at all, then according to you. So you're upset that Apple is advertising 4G in the US and Canada too, right? hehe...
...I mean c'mon. Incredibly silly arguments in this thread!Ok so there's no 4G at all, then according to you. So you're upset that Apple is advertising 4G in the US and Canada too, right? hehe...
Yes, I don't like all this "4G" marketeering in the US at all, not just from Apple.
hehe, too funny. I guess all those android 4G phones are just a big ole lie to you. Well hey, if you stick to your principles, i can't argue with that.
Regardless, the question is why would Apple continue to use marketing that evidently confuses and upsets their customers? Simply dismissing disappointed customers with the words "We follow the rules and regulations we are legally required to, so eat your heart out" has never been the Apple way, "good enough" isn't sufficient for Apple.
Ok so there's no 4G at all, then according to you. So you're upset that Apple is advertising 4G in the US and Canada too, right? hehe...
Is it to much to ask that Apple respect the local industry consensus in the different territories they market the product?
Funny... I have an SGS2 Skyrocket and get an LTE signal pretty much everywhere I go in Phoenix.
I live in the Northeast valley and travel to Scottsdale, Chandler and Glendale to visit family and never lose my LTE signal.
Sounds like your "device" has an issue.
they didn't. they clearly stated at the keynote and on their website that 4g LTE is only available in US and Canada.
They state on their website that if you're not in an LTE area, you can still connect to faster networks like HSPA+ etc. they made it clear. if people want to be spoonfed, then yes apple is guilty of not doing that hehe
they didn't. they clearly stated at the keynote and on their website that 4g LTE is only available in US and Canada.
They state on their website that if you're not in an LTE area, you can still connect to faster networks like HSPA+ etc. they made it clear. if people want to be spoonfed, then yes apple is guilty of not doing that hehe
1. Not everyone watches Apple keynotes, this is about their marketing. 2. They have other marketing channels than their website. 3. "Not in an LTE area", but I am in an LTE area, still the iPad can't use that, because of differing frequencies. So why market 4G and LTE in areas they know is neither a supported LTE area nor an area that defines HSPA+ as 4G?
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And my point still stands, people are evidently confused by this so why doesn't a company like Apple adjust their marketing to avoid confusion instead of stubbornly saying "Don't blame us because our customers are stupid". As I said, that's not the Apple way
why does any company do it? LTE is not available everywhere in the US, but 4G phones are still marketed as such and sold in non-LTE markets. It's marketing. you draw people in. there's no other ulterior motive behind it