u just said HSPA+ is 4G, now you're saying LTE ≠ HSPA+ but isnt LTE 4G ^^
A Camry is a car, so is an accord, but an accord is not a camry.
u just said HSPA+ is 4G, now you're saying LTE ≠ HSPA+ but isnt LTE 4G ^^
so you are saying that in a country with no tracks... you are not allowed to advertise this car... ?
And what if some carrier decides to implement 4g in these countries...
After reading a bit about this I would have to agree with our Aussie cousins.
Its not that most carriers in the UK/Australia/New Zealand/Wherever dont offer 4G (although most dont) its that WHEN they do the new ipad still wont work on them.
The frequencies are different and it will never be physically capable of using 4G services in those countries. Ever.
So yes, 4G should be removed in those countries where it will simply never work.
Put it this way - if an Australian carrier DID start offering 4G services and someone bought a 4G ipad there, would they not be within their rights to complain when it didnt work?
"Oh we didnt mean YOUR 4G"
This is very true and Apple need to fix this mess. Or be taken to court to be forced to fix the mess. The new iPads should not be sold as 4G outside the US. Simple.
ha! they cant, thats the whole point. they HAVE and will have to continue to use other frequences which arent supported by the chip apple uses in the new iPad. its not the providers choice which frequences they can use.
we have 4G on vodafone and tmobile here in germany, yet it won't work with the iPad because the iPad uses frequences that are only supported in the US. fail on the chip part right there
Wirelessly posted
My TV says HD but I don't get HD channels I'm suing..
The world is full of greedy morons.
Because of idiots like these we need to put warnings on frozen pizzas DO NOT TAKE Pizza out of oven with bare hands.
Makes me thinks Australia is run by idiots now
Yet as advertised by apple it can connect to 4g networks when travelling to america. The feature exists but their carriers don't support it.
4G = 4th Generation Cellular Mobile Communications Standards.
LTE Advance = 4G (1Gbps download / 500Mbps upload)
LTE = 3.9G
WiMAX = 3.9G
DC-HSDPA = 3.8G
HSPA+ = 3.7G
UMTS/HSPA = 3.5G
CDMA Rev A = 3.3G
GSM/EDGE = 3.0G
If you call LTE as 4G, then HSPA+ and DC-HSDPA can be called 4G.
It's not a "not "real 4G"". It's simply not a 4G.
The term 4G should be removed from all carriers. It has become meaningless. It's either a 3G network, or an LTE network. There is no 4G.
Now if only we had the same kind of regulation in the US to stop companies like AT&T and T-Mobile calling their HSPA+ networks 4G. It is so sad how much US telecom's get away with. It is just going to get worse too, backroom deals between different companies to keep prices high and consumers clueless will keep happening.
Its not a technical argument. Its purely one of alleged false advertising.
The battle doesnt end with HSPA+ being 4G. In fact it doesnt even START there.
telecos in australia don't treat hspa+ as 4g rather 3.5g. on my iPad it says 3g not 4g...
You got it all wrong. A significant number of carriers worldwide support 4G, it is Apple who exclusively focussed their hardware development on the US-market, thus making the iPad incompatible to 4G networks in the rest of the world.
This is a scandal by itself, because there are 4G-chips which support ALL frequencies. Not only are they too narrow-minded to make their hardware work properly outside the "home market", they also advertise a non-working feature.
This is a scandal by itself, because there are 4G-chips which support ALL frequencies. Not only are they too narrow-minded to make their hardware work properly outside the "home market", they also advertise a non-working feature.
Features doesn't not make a device... its the experience. In this case battery drain.. the chip you are talking about uses way more energy. You would be complaining about that won't you?
Precisely! Nothing on the market is true 4G according to the definitions set forth by the ITU-R. It's pure marketing....nothing else.
The competition regulator said it was seeking injunctions, penalties, corrective advertising and refunds to consumers who were misled.
No, there is not a single 4G radio chip that supports all LTE bands, plus 3G backward compatibility. Qualcomm has one coming out this December in "sample quantities" (i.e. for engineering teams to use in designing actual devices.) Production quantities won't happen until the first half of 2013. Expect to see these in the next iPad (4th gen).
You apparently missed the news when the ITU-R revised it's prior decision, and downgraded the speed requirements such that HSDPA+ is considered '4G' by their own definition.
HSPA+ is 4G in the same way that EDGE is 3G. Sure they both meet the definition, but barely. And they don't bring any of the other improvements that the more advanced technologies have. You never hear anyone call EDGE 3G - likewise HSPA+ shouldn't be called 4G.
LTE at least is a completely new technology compared to the various 3G technologies. Its speeds may not be upto par with the original 4G definition, but it does bring several other improvements that HSPA+ doesn't.
flyingember said:Hey Austraila, by my count there's more than one 4G technology out there. Here's five I know of.
LTE
HSPA+
WiMax
TD-HSDPA
TD-LTE
and the ipad supports three of those.
Telestra supports HSPA+
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/aus...t-g-hspa-network/story-e6frgakx-1225830673282
How is it irrelevant? Does Apple have to advertise HSPA+ as 4g? no they do not. But if they advertise something as 4G, it has to be either WiMax, HSPA+, or LTE. The iPad is.
You do get HD channels, you just have to buy them. The problem here is even though 4G is used in some countries, the iPad still doesn't work because of Apple using an American standard in frequencies instead of the one mostly used worldwide.
But it doesn't and never will have the ability to do 4G in Australia and most other countries. It's not up to the carriers because they cannot pick and choose the frequencies.
It's very simple, they shouldn't market a feature as a selling point if that feature will forever be unavailable.