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:D I guess there are still people who think that Android is currently winning. Winning what? I'm not sure. I guess we can go with the "default OS for really cheap smartphones" contest.

Read me.

Galaxy S, S2 and Note have been sold more than 50 million times worldwide. Android quite clearly isn't only popular because of budget devices.
 
:D I guess there are still people who think that Android is currently winning. Winning what? I'm not sure. I guess we can go with the "default OS for really cheap smartphones" contest.

They're winning the war. You know, the war that entitles you that your phone has the best selling OS. The war that entitles you to say your phone is better than the other. To impress your friends.
 
They're winning the war. You know, the war that entitles you that your phone has the best selling OS. The war that entitles you to say your phone is better than the other. To impress your friends.

No , there is no war. They are winning in the respect that starting two years after the iphone, they have passed them up as far as a better OS that has more features that people want.

There is nothing wrong with the iphone imo. I like it but it is limited for what I like a os to do and seems many others are switching as well. As always, if Apples OS was capable of doing all the things Android could do and able to customize nearly everything you can on Android, this place would be saying Apple is the greatest company in the world.
 
Read me.

Galaxy S, S2 and Note have been sold more than 50 million times worldwide. Android quite clearly isn't only popular because of budget devices.

Sure, but the iPhone is far more popular than any of those devices.

Look at what happens when you have a carrier that offers the iPhone for free. On AT&T, 60% of all phones, including feature/dumb phones activated last quarter were iPhones.

Samsung has less than half the revenue per phone than the iPhone.

They're winning the war. You know, the war that entitles you that your phone has the best selling OS. The war that entitles you to say your phone is better than the other. To impress your friends.

The may be winning current battles in that war, but it's hard to sustain a war when the other side has all the money! :D
 
No , there is no war. They are winning in the respect that starting two years after the iphone, they have passed them up as far as a better OS that has more features that people want.

Umm... Android was started several years before the iPhone was released. The rest is just your opinion. :D
 
Sure, but the iPhone is far more popular than any of those devices.

Look at what happens when you have a carrier that offers the iPhone for free. On AT&T, 60% of all phones, including feature/dumb phones activated last quarter were iPhones.

Samsung has less than half the revenue per phone than the iPhone.

You implied that Android was only "winning" because of the cheap dumb phones. I was simply pointing out that there are some massively popular premium Android devices. All of those devices were like £450+ at launch.

I know that iPhones are the most popular smartphones still.
 
Umm... Android was started several years before the iPhone was released. The rest is just your opinion. :D

Wrong, the first Android phone (G1) didnt come out to the public till almost two years after the first iPhone was released. Maybe closer to a year and a half.

I didnt like the G1 and stuck with my iPhone.
 
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_(operating_system)

Android was founded in 2003. It was acquired by Google in 2005. The first iPhone was released in 2007.

Correct. The first Android was released in late 2008 thus having a later start to the mobile phone market than Apple did. And Apples mobile OS wasnt built overnight.

iPhone development started in 2005 in collaboration with AT&T (Cingular at the time) while Android was a system being bought by Google to develope for a mobile OS when the original guys ran out of money.

Jobs unveiled the iPhone in January 2007 and went public June 29th 2007. They were done first, went public first while Android was still getting it together.
 
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Great news. The SIII appears to be getting the physical home button after all in North America.

I'll believe it when Samsung or AT&T put out a public statement about release date, pricing and specs.

Additionally, T-Mobile is more like a regional carrier and doesn't have LTE and can therefore sell the international variant without much of an issue. This info from The Verge means very little at this point.

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You implied that Android was only "winning" because of the cheap dumb phones. I was simply pointing out that there are some massively popular premium Android devices. All of those devices were like £450+ at launch.

I know that iPhones are the most popular smartphones still.

Add this to the mix- Samsung sells 9 million pre-orders of the S3. And this didn't include N. America. No iPhone has come close to that number, although this may not be a good comparison since one was pre-orders in just the US, while the other was pre-orders in mostofthe world minus the US.

If Samsung has more than 1 million pre-orders in the US for the S3, then you really will be looking at the most wanted smartphone ever released. Until the iphone 5, likely.
 
I'll believe it when Samsung or AT&T put out a public statement about release date, pricing and specs.

Additionally, T-Mobile is more like a regional carrier and doesn't have LTE and can therefore sell the international variant without much of an issue. This info from The Verge means very little at this point.

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Add this to the mix- Samsung sells 9 million pre-orders of the S3. And this didn't include N. America. No iPhone has come close to that number, although this may not be a good comparison since one was pre-orders in just the US, while the other was pre-orders in mostofthe world minus the US.

If Samsung has more than 1 million pre-orders in the US for the S3, then you really will be looking at the most wanted smartphone ever released. Until the iphone 5, likely.

The 9 million number is the amount shipped to carriers, not pre-ordered by customers. It's the typical "shipped vs sold" game. In comparison, Sprint alone bought over 30 million iPhones last October.
 

This, up to 128gb of storage and Inductive charging built in to the S3 give the phone a clear advantage over any other smartphone on the market! 2gb of RAM... Talk about a smooth OS and browsing experience. Have 10 tabs open at once, with no need to refresh! And multitasking at a whole new level.

Sorry, but the iphone 4s really does look antiquated next to the S3.
 
This, up to 128gb of storage and Inductive charging built in to the S3 give the phone a clear advantage over any other smartphone on the market! 2gb of RAM... Talk about a smooth OS and browsing experience. Have 10 tabs open at once, with no need to refresh! And multitasking at a whole new level.

Sorry, but the iphone 4s really does look antiquated next to the S3.

I can see how 128gb of storage is an advantage. I can see how 2gb of RAM would allow for more tabs to be open in the browser, but I thought Android nowadays is suspending background apps to save on battery?

What I don't understand is what the added power of the super fast CPU, GPU and increased RAM will bring to the table.

What will the added horsepower of this phone allow it to do, that the newest Nexus, or the HTC One X, or the iPhone 4S can't do?

This is a serious question, not trolling or being rude. Can someone tell me?
 
I can see how 128gb of storage is an advantage. I can see how 2gb of RAM would allow for more tabs to be open in the browser, but I thought Android nowadays is suspending background apps to save on battery?

No - Android suspends background apps when RAM is needed by foreground apps. That's why sometimes when people reopen the web browser after using some other apps, any tabs that are open refresh.
 
The 9 million number is the amount shipped to carriers, not pre-ordered by customers. It's the typical "shipped vs sold" game. In comparison, Sprint alone bought over 30 million iPhones last October.

9 million 'Pre-ordered'. That's sold units. Doesn't matter if that was by a carrier, store or person. Demand is out-stripping supply in this case. Samsung is runnng at full capacity churning out 5 million S3's a month. Apple doesn't match that right now.

No other smartphone has matched this level of ordering prior to its release. You can play the 'shipped v sold' card all you want. It's clear this is a very, very popular phone that won't be sitting on store shelves like many other Android based phones do. Additionaly, analysts are predicting Samsung to be the first company in history to sell 50+ million smartphones in a quarter, due in large part to the S3.
 
I can see how 128gb of storage is an advantage. I can see how 2gb of RAM would allow for more tabs to be open in the browser, but I thought Android nowadays is suspending background apps to save on battery?

What I don't understand is what the added power of the super fast CPU, GPU and increased RAM will bring to the table.

What will the added horsepower of this phone allow it to do, that the newest Nexus, or the HTC One X, or the iPhone 4S can't do?

This is a serious question, not trolling or being rude. Can someone tell me?
One major thing that Samsung is touting is being able to play video in the foreground while still working on an app. I imagine this is a resource hog, and while 1gb of RAM may work, 2gb's will allow for a better experience.
I can also see game developers for Android now being able to exploit the true potential of their games specifically for high-end ICS devices. While this adds to the fragmentation arguement, i can see some really cool games coming to phones and tablets with specs like the S3, which were onlyrealy avaiable on the ipad and iphone,thanks to ios optimization an stellar gpu.
 
9 million 'Pre-ordered'. That's sold units. Doesn't matter if that was by a carrier, store or person. Demand is out-stripping supply in this case. Samsung is runnng at full capacity churning out 5 million S3's a month. Apple doesn't match that right now.

No other smartphone has matched this level of ordering prior to its release. You can play the 'shipped v sold' card all you want. It's clear this is a very, very popular phone that won't be sitting on store shelves like many other Android based phones do. Additionaly, analysts are predicting Samsung to be the first company in history to sell 50+ million smartphones in a quarter, due in large part to the S3.

You are comparing phones shipped to carriers vs phones sold to customers. Your comparison is invalid.

You have no data that demand is out-stripping supply.

You have no data on how many millions of iPhones Apple is shipping per month.

You have no data that no other smartphone has shown this level of ordering prior to release. On the contrary, I have provided a source showing that a single US carrier (the third largest) ordered over 30 million iPhones last October when the 4S was released.

Source: The Wall Street Journal

You have no data that this phone won't sit on store shelves.
 
You are comparing phones shipped to carriers vs phones sold to customers. Your comparison is invalid.

You have no data that demand is out-stripping supply.

You have no data on how many millions of iPhones Apple is shipping per month.

You have no data that no other smartphone has shown this level of ordering prior to release. On the contrary, I have provided a source showing that a single US carrier (the third largest) ordered over 30 million iPhones last October when the 4S was released.

Source: The Wall Street Journal

You have no data that this phone won't sit on store shelves.

What are we going to have to do, cite every friggin statement? You can do a google search just as well as I can. BTW, why do you suppose every tech site on the planet has mentioned the 9 million pre-orders? Because everyone else except the blind Apple faithful realize this is huge. You can stick your head in the sand and pretend it means nothing, but you are in a very small minority.

By the way, you have no data proving that I have no data, therefore your arguement is invalid. Gee, that was fun.

Edit: i will do one Google search for you. You can look up the rest. http://www.mobilenapps.com/articles/2276/20120519/samsung-galaxy-s3-release-date-preorders-9.htm
 
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I'll believe it when Samsung or AT&T put out a public statement about release date, pricing and specs.

Additionally, T-Mobile is more like a regional carrier and doesn't have LTE and can therefore sell the international variant without much of an issue. This info from The Verge means very little at this point.

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Ill believe it when i see it as well. USA phones for all carriers have always had the home button removed but i dont agree it has anything to do with T-Mobile being a regional carrier. They have also had theirs phones without the button.

I dont care either way and it wont stop me from getting it. I just think it looks better without the button which has a higher fail rate being a physical button.
 
You are comparing phones shipped to carriers vs phones sold to customers. Your comparison is invalid.

You have no data that demand is out-stripping supply.

You have no data on how many millions of iPhones Apple is shipping per month.

You have no data that no other smartphone has shown this level of ordering prior to release. On the contrary, I have provided a source showing that a single US carrier (the third largest) ordered over 30 million iPhones last October when the 4S was released.

Source: The Wall Street Journal

You have no data that this phone won't sit on store shelves.

Who really cares? Why are we argueing about this?

I am quite certain that if Apple gives their iP5 a larger screen, there will be lines of people waiting to buy one. What do i care about that?
If there is a line to buy the GS3, i wont wait in it. Ill order it from T-Mobile or wait a week or so and get it.
 
What are we going to have to do, cite every friggin statement? You can do a google search just as well as I can. BTW, why do you suppose every tech site on the planet has mentioned the 9 million pre-orders? Because everyone else except the blind Apple faithful realize this is huge. You can stick your head in the sand and pretend it means nothing, but you are in a very small minority.

By the way, you have no data proving that I have no data, therefore your arguement is invalid. Gee, that was fun.

Edit: i will do one Google search for you. You can look up the rest. http://www.mobilenapps.com/articles/2276/20120519/samsung-galaxy-s3-release-date-preorders-9.htm

Nothing in that link applies to anything I said.
 
Which part of it is incorrect?
Every part. Literally.
Most phones over 6 months old aren't going to get ICS.
False. The Samsung Galaxy S2 (T-Mobile), HTC Droid Incredible 2 (Verizon), and Motorola Atrix 4G (AT&T) all are examples of devices (along with dozens of others) over 6 months (and many over a year) old getting official ICS updates. Not to mention custom ROMs.
As ICS usage increases many apps will be ICS only and that leaves a lot of people out in the cold if they have a phone that's only a year old.
False. Firstly, as mentioned above, multiple devices that are more than a year old will be getting ICS. Secondly, Android apps have backwards compatibility; just because an app has been upgraded to ICS compatibility doesn't mean it automatically stops working with older OS versions.
Google is working with the phone manufacturers to design the next version around what phone specs will be like in November (when Jelly Bean is expected to be launched) further fragmenting the Android userbase.
The fragmentation argument has never made any sense. iOS has plenty of fragmentation. It is by design that all Android devices are not created equal. Flagship Android devices like the SGS3/RAZR MAXX/One X will get updates to the newest OS version...but mid/low end Android devices will not, nor should they.

You also failed to acknowledge the existence of AOSP, which allows just about any Android device - regardless of carrier/manufacturer - to have access to the most recent builds and implement them via a custom ROM.

I don't know who came up with this notion that fragmentation is even a problem to begin with. It's called having a choice.
You shouldn't HAVE to get a new phone every two years just to run apps that you want to run.
The iPhone 3G - released 07/08 - received it's final update in 11/10 - just 2.4 years after release. And that update didn't include AirPlay, some multitasking tray options, or Safari Text Search, which were all present in the same update for the 3GS/4.

I suppose that if you don't want to have "to get a new phone every two years just to run apps that you want to run"...you should be avoiding the iPhone too.

Secondly, you seem to keep forgetting that Android is open source. Custom ROM development often continues long after manufacturer updates end. Even the OG Droid - a three year old device - has an Android 4.0 ROM.
I dislike the fact that phones are quickly becoming phablets.
Yes there are a few Android phablets. But there are tons of options in the 4" range as well, like my Motorola Droid 4 (4"), for example. This is part of that whole "choice" thing I was talking about. Why do you care if someone else is using a phablet?
I absolutely HATE the fact that Google is in bed with Samsung.
...but you don't mind that Apple is in bed with Samsung? You do know that 25% of the iPhone is made by Samsung, right?
I'm tired of the UI's that Moto, Samsung and HTC think we will like and don't even give us the option to turn them off.
False. There are about a dozen third-party homescreen replacements that are available in the Play Store. And again, you are ignoring custom ROMs.
The one undenieable fact is that Android phones have terrible battery life.
False. My phone - a 4G Android device - has excellent battery life. For every anecdote about an Android phone having poor battery life, I can find another for an iOS device. Battery life for smartphones is more dependent on usage patterns than anything else.
I HATE Samsung phones and with rumours flying around that the next Nexus will again be a Samsung just put me over the edge.
False. The latest rumors indicate that every major manufacturer will have a Nexus device.
I don't want to be stuck with a certain dock or case or whatever accessory because they only make one for a particluar phone.
I don't even know how to respond to such a comically false statement. All Android devices use microUSB and there are numerous universal docks available that are compatible with multiple Android devices.
I want choices and there is no way to get that with Android.
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Neither Android or iOS is better. They offer different experiences for different users.
A year ago I may have agreed with this sentiment. But this is just not the case today. Android 4.0.4 is miles ahead of iOS 5.1.1. Here are just a few of the reasons why:
  1. 4G LTE.
  2. Free wireless tethering.
  3. Widgets and custom Notification Bar status indicators.
  4. Google Navigation.
  5. Ability to change default programs/choose from multiple programs to perform a task.
  6. Custom fields in contacts sync properly on Android when using Exchange (i.e. Gmail). Custom fields do not sync on the iPhone.
  7. LED notification light. Have a missed call/voicemail/email? Green light. Whatsapp message? White light. Facebook message/text? Blue light. Low battery? Red light. I love being able to just look at my device without having to turn on the screen and know if anything is waiting for me.
  8. Google sync is compatible with anything and everything, vs iCloud which is limited to Apple devices.
  9. Better integration via the sharing API.
  10. Better integration of apps...i.e. Google Voice integrating into the native dialer and auto-detecting international numbers to intercept those calls and dial them via Google Voice rather than your carrier, or apps like Fox to Phone or Chrome to Phone.
  11. Open source platform.
 
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