Sounds like a feature, but not one of the ones that we were discussing.
You haven't been paying attention to the conversation.
Which was the point that I was making.
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Sounds like a feature, but not one of the ones that we were discussing.
You haven't been paying attention to the conversation.
Which was the point that I was making.
Matttye did not include LED notifications in his list.
Don't you see, that's the same "possibility" game Matttye is playing? People don't compare operating systems by what's theoretically possible. No hardcore gamer would choose Ubuntu Linux, with the argument that "Battlefield 3 and Skyrim can theoretically be ported to Ubuntu!"
No professional photographer, or graphic designer, or video producer, would argue Ubuntu over Windows or OSX, with the argument that Photoshop, After Effects and Final Cut could "theoretically be officially ported" to Ubuntu. Sure, if the devs rewrote the application I'm sure it could, Ubuntu is open source, anything is "possible". But, if he brought that argument to a gaming forum to substantiate his claim that Ubuntu is better for games, he would get no where.
As BaldiMac said, with that logic you have to include the possibility that Apple can modify iOS in the future with those same features. They are both "possible".
When Vegastouch said his phone can do more, I'm sure he meant in terms of real and existing-today features. That's what we are debating.
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ICS first came out in the UK so it hasnt been here in the USA for 8 months. The Galaxy Nexus got in the USA in December. Not all carriers here even have all the new phones yet. Case in point, we dont have the GS3 yet and HTC has already updated some of their phones to ICS with many more said to be getting it.
And so what if the 3GS has the latest. IF it gets iOS 6....which i doubt, it will be a battery hog. Probably is now since it is an old system trying to run a bigger OS...which BTW iOS 5 wasnt that big of an upgrade so maybe it isnt that big of a battery hog and it still cant run Siri.
Bottom line is the iPhone doesnt get a major update for a year so it isnt any faster than Android.
As for your security fetish, it may not be a valid option for you, but many have and will do it and i have as well and again, i have never had a security issue so that imo is irrelevent.
I want a phone i can update to whatever OS i want. I want a phone with a SuperAMOLED screen and gorilla glass 2. I want a phone that wont shatter into a hundred pieces when i drop it and i want a phone with a bigger screen and i want a phone that i can customize to my liking, not the manufacturers way of how they want it to be.
The iPhone doesnt allow me those things.
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Yes and having been thru this you already know what it can do that iPhone cant. Stop being so anal and wanting everyone to list every little thing again that you have seen already. You already know that for instance we can change to many different keyboards while you are stuck with one ...imo awful keyboard on iPhone so just stop with needing to see yet again a list of things you have seen already.
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LOL
Seriously though, I like Android. It has it's flaws, as does iOS, but several things made me switch. First and foremost is the hardware and software fragmentation. Most phones over 6 months old aren't going to get ICS. Why? because of the hardware requiements of ICS.
As ICS usage increases many apps will be ICS only and that leaves a lot of people out in the cold if they have a phone that's only a year old. That just shouldn't happen.
Google is working with the phone manufacturers to design the next version around what phone specs will be like in November (when Jelly Bean is expected to be launched) further fragmenting the Android userbase.
You shouldn't HAVE to get a new phone every two years just to run apps that you want to run. This is where iOS excels (and some say is hindered) as it keeps it's users together.
I dislike the fact that phones are quickly becoming phablets. If I want to carry around a tablet, I'll get a 7" version from Asus or whoever. Everyone thinks bigger is better but as screens get bigger, batteries need to get bigger and the phone must get bigger as a result. For me, 4" is perfect. Anything else is too big. My favorite phone was the Incredible and it was only 3.5". The one undenieable fact is that Android phones have terrible battery life. Sure you can shut off data or nerf the phone in some way to extend battery life, but I don't want to have to do that.
I absolutely HATE the fact that Google is in bed with Samsung. I HATE Samsung phones and with rumours flying around that the next Nexus will again be a Samsung just put me over the edge. I'm tired of the UI's that Moto, Samsung and HTC think we will like and don't even give us the option to turn them off. So my choice was get a Samsung Nexus (ain't gonna happen) or get a skinned version of Android. Neither of these idead appeal to me so I went iOS.
The other big one for me is the ecosystem. I don't want to be stuck with a certain dock or case or whatever accessory because they only make one for a particluar phone. I want choices and there is no way to get that with Android.
Neither Android or iOS is better. They offer different experiences for different users.
Are you going to dictate what features i add to this that Android has and ios and Apple do not? Sorry, you aren't that special.
Might i also add, expandable memory, removable battery, the ability to alter icons, folders, add widgets, plug into any computer and transfer files, create wifi hotspots with the push of a button...
While Apple could add any f these features, the have not to date and to say they will or would, is pure speculation and improbable.
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as am I. Is that not clear?
You can add all the features that you like! Go wild! It just has nothing to do with the statement that I made that you responded to.
You don't get what I'm saying.
I mean it's impossible for a developer to code those options into an app, simply because the APIs don't exist on iOS.
I get what you are saying, I just don't agree with your rationalization. Most people aren't developers. What's possible at some point in the future for third party developers is irrelevant to the features of my smartphone now.
I prefer the customization of being able to choose between more, quality third-party apps than the ability to change my keyboard or my icons or add a widget. Apps that actually exist are features. I prefer to do things with my phone rather than to my phone.
I'm with you 100% there. I like my 3.5" screen, don't desire any thing larger at all. I want a phone, not a tablet, in my pants pocket. The portability is a big deal for me.
How very diplomatic, and true.
No argument there...unless you have a GNexus. But you know, even when Samsung does release it, it takes the carriers more time to get it out OTA so it isnt just their fault.
LOL
Seriously though, I like Android. It has it's flaws, as does iOS, but several things made me switch. First and foremost is the hardware and software fragmentation. Most phones over 6 months old aren't going to get ICS. Why? because of the hardware requiements of ICS.
True. Fragmentation is probably the biggest issue on Android. Luckily I like to tinker so I root and install a custom ROM, meaning I'll probably get the next two to three Android versions before I decide to buy a new device
The rule of thumb seems to be to support the last three major software versions (ICS, Gingerbread, Froyo). Obviously not everyone sticks to this, including Google (Chrome is ICS only), but *most* apps appear to work. Also, if apps are updated and remove legacy support with an update, the chances are you'll be able to find an older version online somewhere.
Good! That's what I like about Android, it's advancing at a really fast pace. I don't think support for older devices should hamper innovation. I buy a phone for what it can do at the time. Sure, it would be nice to get updates for a couple of years, but it's not the end of the world if I don't. Clearly the operating systems are at opposite ends of the spectrum and have different types of users in mind.
You don't have to. Lots of people still use my old phone, the HTC Desire. I sometimes visit a Desire forum for nostalgia and I see that they're discussing apps I'm running now on my S2. The Desire is like 2-3 years old now.
I can comfortably handle a 4.3" phone in one hand. My mrs has a 4.7" phone which I can use with one hand aside from it's a little bit awkward to reach the top left hand corner using my thumb (I'm right handed.) Aside from that, even a 4.7-4.8" is usable with one hand for me. The Galaxy S3 has a 4.8" screen with the second biggest battery ever seen in a mobile phone (as far as I know), and it still manages to be only a slight bit thicker than the Galaxy S2, which is a very thin device. When the phone gets bigger to accommodate a bigger screen, that means more room for the internals to be placed, so it doesn't really need to get any thicker.
That's my opinion anyway. I used to love the 3.5" screen on my old iPhone 1st gen, but I could never use it again. It's too small.
I too hate the GUIs that are forced on us. That's usually why I root and install a stock Android ROM. It's a bit annoying though, as you lose some of the features that were added. For example, if you root the Galaxy S3 and install a stock Android ROM, you will most likely lose the smart stay, smart notification etc options.
I wish manufacturers would use the stock Android UI and just offer their own interface as a launcher rather than force it on us.
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Most Android phones have lots of accessories.
Very true. However, it cannot be argued that iOS has more features than Android, which is what I've mainly been posting about in this thread.
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I agree with what you're saying, but we were debating which OS has more features, not which one has more apps. I was simply pointing out that whilst I can point out a lot of Android apps/features that cannot be created for iOS, it's more difficult to do the same in reverse.
LOL
Seriously though, I like Android. It has it's flaws, as does iOS, but several things made me switch. First and foremost is the hardware and software fragmentation. Most phones over 6 months old aren't going to get ICS. Why? because of the hardware requiements of ICS.
As ICS usage increases many apps will be ICS only and that leaves a lot of people out in the cold if they have a phone that's only a year old. That just shouldn't happen.
Google is working with the phone manufacturers to design the next version around what phone specs will be like in November (when Jelly Bean is expected to be launched) further fragmenting the Android userbase.
You shouldn't HAVE to get a new phone every two years just to run apps that you want to run. This is where iOS excels (and some say is hindered) as it keeps it's users together.
I dislike the fact that phones are quickly becoming phablets. If I want to carry around a tablet, I'll get a 7" version from Asus or whoever. Everyone thinks bigger is better but as screens get bigger, batteries need to get bigger and the phone must get bigger as a result. For me, 4" is perfect. Anything else is too big. My favorite phone was the Incredible and it was only 3.5". The one undenieable fact is that Android phones have terrible battery life. Sure you can shut off data or nerf the phone in some way to extend battery life, but I don't want to have to do that.
I absolutely HATE the fact that Google is in bed with Samsung. I HATE Samsung phones and with rumours flying around that the next Nexus will again be a Samsung just put me over the edge. I'm tired of the UI's that Moto, Samsung and HTC think we will like and don't even give us the option to turn them off. So my choice was get a Samsung Nexus (ain't gonna happen) or get a skinned version of Android. Neither of these idead appeal to me so I went iOS.
The other big one for me is the ecosystem. I don't want to be stuck with a certain dock or case or whatever accessory because they only make one for a particluar phone. I want choices and there is no way to get that with Android.
Neither Android or iOS is better. They offer different experiences for different users.
That isnt true. I have a Galaxy S Vibrant. The apps i have all still work on my phone as they have also been updated to work on ICS. I havent come across any so far that only require ICS to run them.
I just got a tweet from T-Mobile news saying the ICS update for the GS2 is coming via Samsung Kies on June 11th. Ill assume the other carriers will be right there as well for this update.
You are the one that's trying to push the distinction between features and apps. Apps are the primary features of my smartphone. You like to tinker, so obviously Android has more features that appeal to you at an OS level. Not sure why you won't recognize the distinction that DodgeV83 was making.
True. Fragmentation is probably the biggest issue on Android. Luckily I like to tinker so I root and install a custom ROM, meaning I'll probably get the next two to three Android versions before I decide to buy a new device
The rule of thumb seems to be to support the last three major software versions (ICS, Gingerbread, Froyo). Obviously not everyone sticks to this, including Google (Chrome is ICS only), but *most* apps appear to work. Also, if apps are updated and remove legacy support with an update, the chances are you'll be able to find an older version online somewhere.
Good! That's what I like about Android, it's advancing at a really fast pace. I don't think support for older devices should hamper innovation. I buy a phone for what it can do at the time. Sure, it would be nice to get updates for a couple of years, but it's not the end of the world if I don't. Clearly the operating systems are at opposite ends of the spectrum and have different types of users in mind.
You don't have to. Lots of people still use my old phone, the HTC Desire. I sometimes visit a Desire forum for nostalgia and I see that they're discussing apps I'm running now on my S2. The Desire is like 2-3 years old now.
I can comfortably handle a 4.3" phone in one hand. My mrs has a 4.7" phone which I can use with one hand aside from it's a little bit awkward to reach the top left hand corner using my thumb (I'm right handed.) Aside from that, even a 4.7-4.8" is usable with one hand for me. The Galaxy S3 has a 4.8" screen with the second biggest battery ever seen in a mobile phone (as far as I know), and it still manages to be only a slight bit thicker than the Galaxy S2, which is a very thin device. When the phone gets bigger to accommodate a bigger screen, that means more room for the internals to be placed, so it doesn't really need to get any thicker.
That's my opinion anyway. I used to love the 3.5" screen on my old iPhone 1st gen, but I could never use it again. It's too small.
I too hate the GUIs that are forced on us. That's usually why I root and install a stock Android ROM. It's a bit annoying though, as you lose some of the features that were added. For example, if you root the Galaxy S3 and install a stock Android ROM, you will most likely lose the smart stay, smart notification etc options.
I wish manufacturers would use the stock Android UI and just offer their own interface as a launcher rather than force it on us.
www.mobilefun.co.uk
Most Android phones have lots of accessories.
Very true. However, it cannot be argued that iOS has more features than Android, which is what I've mainly been posting about in this thread.
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I agree with what you're saying, but we were debating which OS has more features, not which one has more apps. I was simply pointing out that whilst I can point out a lot of Android apps/features that cannot be created for iOS, it's more difficult to do the same in reverse.
So we're pretty much in the same page except for what I stated as my opinion. I do disagree with the part about most Android phones having many accessories. At best you can find a handful of cases for a given phone and MAYBE a dock (but most likely a universal one). That's start in contract to what's available for an iPhone.
As ICS becomes more popular you'll see more and more apps utilizing features that are not on older Android versions and the fragmentation will grow.
APPS have more FEATURES to play with on Android
There's a greater selection of apps on iOS, but iOS has had longer at the top than Android. Now that Android is top dog, that will change.
I agree that iOS devices have more. This is again because of the point that I made before; Android (and Android phones) is evolving faster. You won't find an Android device's successor with the same body shape as the last one. That means that accessories will only work for one generation of Android device.
Right, but that doesn't mean they will only support ICS, it just means they'll offer some features that are only available on ICS.
Here are the undisputed facts, you have already acknowledged some of them, but I'll list them again anyway:
1. Major iOS updates come once a year, and all devices up to three years old get it immediately.
2. Minor iOS updates, including security updates, are provided on a consistent basis throughout the year.
3. Android updates are inconsistent. Some phones no longer received any updates at all within a few months of release. No phones got ICS immediately when the code was released 8 months ago. The vast majority of phones still do not and may never have ICS.
This translates to the majority of phones not being up-to-date on security patches. Imagine your Window machine complaining that it hasn't been updated in over 8 months, yet its not possible to update because the carrier is holding you back.
Also, I've explained why you personally not having any security issues is not evidence that your phone is secure. One, because you could be infected and not know it, as root kits embedded in the OS are generally undetectable. Two, even if you haven't been infected yet, that doesn't mean you're secure.
You're playing Russian Roulette here, losing the security game could destroy your credit, result in the loss of your savings, and take years to fix.
Lastly, I am not denying that Android has those capabilities, I am simply saying that the iPhone has more exclusive abilities. Nothing you have said so far negates that.
I had the Eris when it first came out, then went to the Incredible and just sold my Razr on eBay. I can even show you the eBay posting selling my Razr. I just shipped it off today.
What other proof of ownership would you like? I posted as androidatic on droidforums.com, Motorola forums and androidcentral.com. Been posting there for a while. I stopped since I got my iPhone though. Pretty childish to troll a forum for something I don't own and want to bash. You can check out my posts, they are all very favorable to Android.
Here is my first post on this forum when I decided to get rid of Android. It outlines what I like and miss about both platforms.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1378503/
Here is a post over at another site discussing my switch
http://www.iphoneforums.net/forum/new-members-11/new-here-cant-wait-get-my-new-iphone-39681/
And the same post on that site as I posted here
http://www.iphoneforums.net/forum/iphone-general-discussion-12/my-first-week-ios-away-android-40389/
What other proof of ownership would you like? I posted as androidatic on droidforums.com, Motorola forums and androidcentral.com. Been posting there for a while. I stopped since I got my iPhone though. Pretty childish to troll a forum for something I don't own and want to bash. You can check out my posts, they are all very favorable to Android.
Here is my first post on this forum when I decided to get rid of Android. It outlines what I like and miss about both platforms.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1378503/
Here is a post over at another site discussing my switch
http://www.iphoneforums.net/forum/new-members-11/new-here-cant-wait-get-my-new-iphone-39681/
And the same post on that site as I posted here
http://www.iphoneforums.net/forum/iphone-general-discussion-12/my-first-week-ios-away-android-40389/
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You must be the guy that buys a Norton anti virus every year. I use Avast. Its free and it has worked well for me and i stated using it a few years ago when i got my first malware virus which i got rid of easily with using Malware Bytes. Norton imo sucks and slows your system down so badly. IMO its a piece of crap program.
Now for on an Android phone, i could get the app Lookout which is a security and anti virus app....which is FREE! Its has over 10 million downloads and has
a 4.5 our of 5 star rating. There are some others too but that one sems to be the best though i havent used it. So there are apps to make your system secure if you want to. You act like there isnt any option at all and i DO NOT do my banking on my phone.
And again, no matter what you say....iPhone still dont get a major update for a year and a couple of minor ones in between. Ive gotton minor updates before and i got one major update witrh my phone while ive also had ICS on my Galaxy S but have since went back to Froyo so i wont get bored with ICS when i get my GS3.
Apple has it easier to get the updates out because they have one phone and still it takes a year to get one. Last year it took a little longer and then the new phone didnt come with it till a few months later.
They arent on top of things either and why they are getting their butts kicked by Android right now. You have to remember, Android has a major OS come out twice a year as opposed to Apples once a year and with so many devices it isnt easy getting them all updated more promply. Would i like it to be better? Sure i would but it isnt a huge deal because i root and if i want something newer bad enough, ill do it myself.
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I'm pretty sure that you are just talking in circles here to try and confuse the issue. None of what you said refutes the facts that were presented about updates.
I guess there are still people who think that Android is currently winning. Winning what? I'm not sure. I guess we can go with the "default OS for really cheap smartphones" contest.