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Phil Schiller Goes on Offensive Against Android and Samsung

slffl said:
Who makes more money? Google or Apple? Who's getting who's ass kicked?

Google makes $0 from Android. They are actually helping foreign companies and hurting American companies in the process.

This is why I can't stand Google android sheep.
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Really? That's why you think Android users are sheep? I think the efficient end-user doesn't root for particular companies. In addition, nationality should play a small role here because this is a global marketplace, both parent companies share the same national origin, and most hardware running either system is made elsewhere.

Make the right choice for you, accept that others might legitimately disagree, and stop assuming that those who disagree with you are "sheep."
 
Saladinos said:
You really wish the Galaxy ran iOS? For most people iOS itself is the problem; we don't feel it's moving in the right direction or fast enough in any direction.
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I agree. For my needs, the perfect phone would be Apple hardware running Google software. But some Android makers are starting to push Apple on the hardware side and perhaps Apple will step up on the software side. We'll see.
 
AppleScruff1 said:
What is so far behind about Windows?
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Pretty much every aspect of it. You look up something in Windows and the Mac equivalent, and you get that the Windows standard is outdated and the Mac standard up-to-date along with Linux OSs. And in Windows, you need to download some extra software for every kind of file. You can't just open a @#$%ing disk image and use it.

And MS doesn't get it by now that people don't want to see white pixellated text on a black background like a 70s computer every time the computer asks if it should boot in Safe Mode. In fact, it shouldn't even ask. Any user who knows about Safe Mode should know about holding a key to boot in it during startup. It's like they TRY to make it poorly encapsulated so people feel professional using it.
 
Exio said:
Oh here we go with the unproven, stereotype of "Android users are cheaper then Iphone users."

Get a ****ing grip.
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The numbers state it. They account for less app revenue. Why do you think Angry Birds and other games are free on Android and paid on iOS?

BTW, I'm not insulting cheap people. I'm cheap.
 
read my original post

fxtech said:
Nothing. You have to learn how to filter out the Kool-aid drinkers. Usually that means skipping the first couple of pages of comments here on MR.
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reasons why windows is behind:
1) supporting legacy way too far back is holding them back
2) poor CLI, scripting support, and open source support
3) developers pay for visual studio...xcode is free
4) have you seen regedit?
5) recover partition and modern boot loader (not sure if win8 has this or what)
6) not obj oriented but i guess .net is headed that way? (maybe someone more knowledgable would care to comment?)
7) still on NTFS ie outdated file system (aren't unix permissions kinda the standard now? where is journaling support?)
8) ssh (maybe thats unix)
9) native x11 (a bit more than just unix)
10) built in sharing: apache server, php, rsync,
11) mission control/expose OP
12) parental controls
13) encrypts your whole drive (not sure if windows does that now)
14) language selection and dynamic keyboard support is better
15) control over applications and their access is better
16) time machine is pretty sick
17) fusion drive thingie
18) better accessibility controls (siri like speech recog has been around for a while, ctrl-cmnd-alt-8 inverts screen colors for better nighttime/contrast, there are other features windows can't do that have been around since OS X public beta )
19) migration assistant is a beast
20) netboot, though you might complain, is actually a beast
21) recently airdrop has proven invaluable

ok i could keep going, and i'm sure some of these you could address with additional software, but i have all this **** out of the box. mom does too, and that matters cuz i dont wanna have to fix her **** up just to get her up to par. windows and android both need a restart from scratch. nextstep revolutionized SDK and vertical integration of an OS ( at the very least).

these things really do matter, and not because i fix my moms computers. i'm a med student and a published researcher. the fact that i can X11 or tunnel easily to HPC linux boxes and integrate with ease from any mac makes it a more modern and powerful tool. I don't have to futz with putty or cygwin, i don't have to setup RSH to get clustering software to use my cores. I really could keep going, but a lot of the time windows users are set in their ways. if you think windows/android is for tech-savvy, then you are just not tech savvy enough to realize why we are not :)
i really odn't give a **** what fone you use btw, just don't come on my forum website to tell me you know better
ps. google software is not the best. i think google earth has been neglected although chrome is quite good. android is a bad platform and we will see more NDI SDK development and better integration from android, if not a whole rebuild of the OS.

anyway, if you have anything to add, please do
 
HenryDJP said:
My best friend has one and has the latest OS. Complains about it all the time. Pissed off royally. Wants out of his contract and is willing to pay the restock fee. Fell for Fandroids telling him to go their way and he fell for it. And yes I've played with his phone and a few people in my immediately family have Android. It sucks. People know this. No need in pretending it's suddenly turned into cake with buttercream frosting.... Uh oh, Google may use my "buttercream frosting" as a new name for their next OS. :rolleyes:
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I'm not inclined to believe you, because if what you said had merit, then Android device sales would be like RIM or Windows Phone. The fact of the matter is, many people are buying Android devices and are loving them. This is "MacRumors" forum, so the bias against Android is understandable.
 
Fatalbert said:
They account for less app revenue. The numbers state it.
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And many apps I had to pay for on my iPhone and iPad are free on the play store. I'm sure that has nothing to do with it.

MacCurry said:
I'm not inclined to believe you, because if what you said had merit, then Android device sales would be like RIM or Windows Phone. The fact of the matter is, many people are buying Android devices and are loving them. This is "MacRumors" forum, so the bias against Android is understandable.
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Also - and I know he was being sarcastic - he would know that Buttercream Frosting begins with B. Android is up to K already. They aren't going to steal his "name" :p
 
samcraig said:
Didn't Schmidt excuse himself from any meetings that were about the iPhone. What insight did he really have.

Further - Android was already in development. If you're talking form factor - other phone manufacturers already had similar devices on their product roadmap.

And oh yeah - once Apple DID announce the iPhone - no "stealing" had to take place. They could look at the device like anyone else and see its features.
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If Android did not exist today I would have stuck with Windows Mobile. The first 4.3" phone was the HTC HD2 released back in late 2009 which was crappy at the time but was the direction phones were heading into. Microsoft allowed Google to beat them by not coming out with WM 7. It's history repeating itself with Apple's stale iOS.
 
Sorry Phil, but it's a terrible marketing ploy. My Nexus 7 is running the latest OS and i never did have to sign into 9 different accounts.
 
Offensive? Sounds defensive to me...like the coach of a #1 ranked team complaining to a reporter at halftime that his team has better this and that is only down a touchdown because the other team got lucky. It's not luck, it's about staying focused even against lesser competition... it's still competition.
 
Fatalbert said:
The numbers state it. They account for less app revenue. Why do you think Angry Birds and other games are free on Android and paid on iOS?

BTW, I'm not insulting cheap people. I'm cheap.
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What does it matter, there are games on iOS that are free compared to having to pay for Android...plus iOS has a bunch of exclusive apps/games....when you get free games/ Angry Birds on Android, its littered with ads
 
Chupa Chupa said:
Offensive? Sounds defensive to me...like the coach of a #1 ranked team complaining to a reporter at halftime that his team has better this and that is only down a touchdown because the other team got lucky. It's not luck, it's about staying focused even against lesser competition... it's still competition.
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i think more like Apple is up by only a field goal going in to halftime, when vegas had the spread at like Apple -21.5
 
Fatalbert said:
Why do you think they're free? Target audience.
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Could be. Also could be that developers make more money with in-app ads. I honestly don't know. But for example - WhatsApp is .99 on iTunes. Free (for one year) on Play. Then .99 a year.

I'm probably the wrong person to get into this anyway since I'm not a big gamer or use that many apps on either platform.

I will say this - the fact that you can buy an app and "return" it is a pretty good feature of play store though.
 
Bahroo said:
What does it matter, there are games on iOS that are free compared to having to pay for Android...plus iOS has a bunch of exclusive apps/games....when you get free games/ Angry Birds on Android, its littered with ads
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It's a good move to make Android apps free and littered with ads. Getting the free version with extra ads is what cheap people do.
 
nick_elt said:
just wait till the s4 is announced 2moro and you'll have more with one side going on how crap and plastic it is and the other will be going on how great eye scrolling is and how the iphone is too small......
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Too bad the S4 wont have "eye-scrolling"... Almost all of Samsung's "smart features" are a bust or work half the time....all these new smartphones coming out right now is more evolutionary then revolutionary
 
cyberdogl2 said:
i think more like Apple is up by only a field goal going in to halftime, when vegas had the spread at like Apple -21.5
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How is Apple up if Android leads in smartphone marketshare worldwide?

Agree iPhone is still better, which is why I compared them to a #1 ranked phone. But Android is more popular right now head to head. Apple needs to start playing leader again, and not just noting past achievements.
 
I gave up on iOS a while back and bought a Nexus 7. It was so great that I went out and bought a Nexus 4. Now, I'm waiting for Google to come out with something else. Cause it's just better than iOS. In fact, I wish that I could get and iPad or iPhone that ran Jelly Bean. I also use one Google account to rule them all. From a company that actually knows how to run web services. Unlike yours Phil. Cough cough MobileMe, cough cough, .Mac, cough cough, iTools, cough cough iCloud. :D
 
Fatalbert said:
Pretty much every aspect of it. You look up something in Windows and the Mac equivalent, and you get that the Windows standard is outdated and the Mac standard up-to-date along with Linux OSs. And in Windows, you need to download some extra software for every kind of file. You can't just open a @#$%ing disk image and use it.

And MS doesn't get it by now that people don't want to see white pixellated text on a black background like a 70s computer every time the computer asks if it should boot in Safe Mode. In fact, it shouldn't even ask. Any user who knows about Safe Mode should know about holding a key to boot in it during startup. It's like they TRY to make it poorly encapsulated so people feel professional using it.
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I rarely have seen Windows ask to boot in safe mode. And it's true that you just hit the correct key and it will boot into safe mode or you can enter the BIOS menu. Are functions like this more intuitive in OSX, ie, you just automatically know how to do it, no prior knowledge of the operating system is required? Actually in my decades of computer use I have never heard anyone complain about having a white text on black background for using the Safe Mode.

I have no trouble opening files either. Which ones have given you problems? Which Windows standards are outdated?
 
samcraig said:
I will say this - the fact that you can buy an app and "return" it is a pretty good feature of play store though.
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Unrelated, but I agree as long as it's not messy. Whenever there's a paid app I might buy, I try to pirate it first just to make sure it's not bogus. App piracy sources on Cydia have claimed that this is why they exist, but that would only be true if I was the only guy using their illegitimate apps XD
 
Fatalbert said:
It's a good move to make Android apps free and littered with ads. Getting the free version with extra ads is what cheap people do.
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What do the wealthy do?

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Fatalbert said:
Unrelated, but I agree as long as it's not messy. Whenever there's a paid app I might buy, I try to pirate it first just to make sure it's not bogus. App piracy sources on Cydia have claimed that this is why they exist, but that would only be true if I was the only guy using their illegitimate apps XD
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Piracy is ok?
 
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