Phil Schiller Goes on Offensive Against Android and Samsung

[Hyper-X]

"You seem to believe that everything has some kind of malicious intent on copying Apple or something"

Not at all. I saw Google's design for Android prior to the iPhone's release and I then saw Android after the iPhone's release.

Personally, I feel having Schmidt on Apple's board gave Google insight to a competitors product under false pretenses. This isn't a case of reverse engineering, this is a case of inside information.

This isn't about Apple, if an Apple exec was on Google's board and the reverse happened, I'd be equally disappointed in Apple. And before you throw out the whole Xerox story, do some homework and realize Apple paid licensing fees.

You really don't have to agree with me. I see it as a copy and wouldn't feel comfortable using it.

But you seem just fine with it. I am ok with you using Android. I really am. I'm just not fine with me using it.

I am the one missing out apparently, not you. So I don't get why you seem so inspired about this.

As I said in another post, I'm fine with anyone using whatever, I could care less if anyone uses something different from me. I'm a 4S user myself, it's no big deal.

What I'm going after is the claim of "copying" where there's no proof of it. You do realize the first android phone ever was not an actual phone produced by Google. Google only provided the platform OS, the first smartphone to use it was the HTC Dream, AKA T-Mobile G1. HTC is not Google. The G1 doesn't look anything like the first iPhone. The center button on the G1 was a trackball/button combo.

 

[samcraig]

Unrelated, but I agree as long as it's not messy. Whenever there's a paid app I might buy, I try to pirate it first just to make sure it's not bogus. App piracy sources on Cydia have claimed that this is why they exist, but that would only be true if I was the only guy using their illegitimate apps XD

Well there goes the whole Android users pirate and iOS users don't

 

[epollyon]

How is Apple up if Android leads in smartphone marketshare worldwide?

Agree iPhone is still better, which is why I compared them to a #1 ranked phone. But Android is more popular right now head to head.

android is a free OS, so it doesn't make sense to compare it to apple's closed system. the fact that apple is even close is amazing. many of us have been using apple is OS 7. i was pleased with it then...lol. a more fair comparison would be like nexus sales vs iphone sales. a free os will always have a bigger "marketshare" although one side of that comparison is making money from ubiquity and ad revenue and the other is making money through vertical integration (hardware+software+third-party software sales)

 

[Tknull]

Seriously? Someone actually uses Find my friends? And iWork? You must be joking.

Every day. What is funny about that?

 

[MuddyPaws1]

The numbers state it. They account for less app revenue. Why do you think Angry Birds and other games are free on Android and paid on iOS?

BTW, I'm not insulting cheap people. I'm cheap.

You mean these?

 

[JoeG4]

Thats a lot of phones for the small time Android has been readily available on the market not to mention those phone models themselves are not very old. Why do you change so much? Not happy with your experience I would imagine or you just love cycling through junk phones.

How about this? I have an HTC G2 from ~3 years ago, and a samsung note 2 from ~4-5 months ago. While I've been having hardware issues with my Note 2s, they've been fantastic otherwise - really fast and all of the same stuff I was using before runs great.

All of the little things are there too - when I check my emails on my google accounts (be it via imap or another android device), the notifications stop flashing on my phones. When I plug my headphones or my car radio in, the music automatically starts playing via the music app I use.. The file system is great.

The G2 might be old, but there's still a great dev community behind it - I just recently installed a new AOSP derivative on my bro's G2 that a friend is also using and was blown away by how damn well a 3 year old phone functions.

Compare that to my iPod touch 1g. When it was 2 years old apple stopped making anything for it and the app store on it is completely useless now. Same thing happened to my bro's ipod touch 3g. Worst tech products I've ever owned.

I love my macs though. Seriously though, Schiller and the other execs, including Jobs were and are marketing their products. They should think everything they make is the best thing since sliced bread. It's ok. Just don't get too caught up in it.

 

[Fatalbert]

I have no trouble opening files either. Which ones have given you problems? Which Windows standards are outdated?

AAC, AIF, any disk image, any image fullscreen, ZIPs (since they don't even unzip when you open them), archives that aren't ZIP, MP4 video, text files without Notepad screwing up the formatting, and Office documents ironically.

Notice how you can open the majority of those by just pressing spacebar in Mac OS X. QuickLook is extremely useful.

Outdated standards? The filesystem to name one. It's a pretty big deal.

 

[samcraig]

android is a free OS, so it doesn't make sense to compare it to apple's closed system. the fact that apple is even close is amazing. many of us have been using apple is OS 7. i was pleased with it then...lol. a more fair comparison would be like nexus sales vs iphone sales. a free os will always have a bigger "marketshare" although one side of that comparison is making money from ubiquity and ad revenue and the other is making money through vertical integration (hardware+software+third-party software sales)

iOS is a free OS too. Apple just doesn't let anyone else use it. The rest your post is sound.

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AAC, AIF, any disk image, any image fullscreen, ZIPs (since they don't even unzip when you open them), archives that aren't ZIP, MP4 video, text files without Notepad screwing up the formatting, and Office documents ironically.

Notice how you can open the majority of those by just pressing spacebar in Mac OS X. QuickLook is extremely useful.

Outdated standards? The filesystem to name one. It's a pretty big deal.

Hmm don't have problems opening up those files you mentioned on the system at work that runs Windows. Not or my laptop at work (mac book pro with vmware). Maybe you have a bad install.

 

[Fatalbert]

You mean these?

Image

Alright, correction. They WERE paid up until recently. Now, the paid versions are Seasons and whatever spinoffs they've made.

 

[xti]

Having been an Apple fan for the last few years and owning numerous devices across Apple product lines, I can agree up to a point. With Apple's "controlled closed platform" the fact that jailbreaks existed made it was always a non issue. If in the future this was to ever change, I would very seriously be looking at the Android platform. Especially since Goggle engineers have not been idle and have made ongoing improvements to the UI, and other features of the OS. If Apple allows QC and inovation to slip in more of it's new product lines, Samsung will prove to be a strong and worthy competitor. Just ask Sony who used to dominate the Television market what they think of Samsung.

 

[Fatalbert]

Hmm don't have problems opening up those files you mentioned on the system at work that runs Windows. Not or my laptop at work (mac book pro with vmware). Maybe you have a bad install.

You can't even open Office documents in Windows without downloading something or buying Office. How did you open them?

 

[jontech]

I would agree with him, if you are going to use the Apple ecosystem for apps, and media content.

Otherwise its just a phone that texts, takes pictures and makes phone calls just like every other phone.

A lot of people just want that, and want a big screen and other features the iPhone doesn't offer yet

 

[Hyper-X]

That's like saying the faulty engine part which caused an accident wasn't GM or Ford, it was [insert company here]. (And then we find the internal memo where said company had informed GM or Ford of a known issue or possible problem well before the vehicle was in production.)

Google clearly stole the design from Apple both on the hardware and the software; Samsung for all intents and purposes IS Android, and they have continued the fine tradition.

I mean, let's be real here. What part of the memo where Samsung executive states "How can we be more like iPhone" could you possibly miss or construe as anything else?

What part of what you keep writing don't you understand?

In your second paragraph you state that Google "clearly stole" the design from Apple. Okay prove it, that's all I keep asking, I'm willing to go along with you if you prove it to me since Google "clearly stole" the design.

Then in the your next paragraph you go on to say where a "Samsung executive states How can we be more like iPhone"?

Again I keep saying, Samsung is not Google. Google = American Company. Samsung = Korean Company.

So what you're technically saying is that if an assembly line accident occurred in a BMW plant, it's actually Ford's fault since they invented the assembly line process. ?

 

[Fatalbert]

Well there goes the whole Android users pirate and iOS users don't

They certainly pirate more, but I know that iOS users pirate. I know some iOS pirates.

 

[HenryDJP]

I'm not inclined to believe you, because if what you said had merit, then Android device sales would be like RIM or Windows Phone. The fact of the matter is, many people are buying Android devices and are loving them. This is "MacRumors" forum, so the bias against Android is understandable.

Oh get over yourself, really. People have problems with Macs and they are vocal about it. Others don't share the same problems. Doesn't make the complainer a Liar. You Android fans need to take your displeasure somewhere else if you can't stand any criticism here rather than calling someone biased. My friends and family haven't been happy with Android. They feels the experience isn't very good. That's how they feel, deal with it.

 

[JoEw]

That's how I feel when I see an iPhone, look at the screen, and see the same old stuff. Only now it's taller.

My response to iOS:

Phil needs to stop talking trash, and back that talk up with some a great version iOS. Don't get me this thinner and lighter stuff. I want something that'll blow Samsung and Android out of the water.

I don't understand what is wrong with the "same old stuff." if it works, why change it? Minor improvements? sure, but really if isn't broke then why fix it?

 

[AppleScruff1]

AAC, AIF, any disk image, any image fullscreen, ZIPs (since they don't even unzip when you open them), archives that aren't ZIP, MP4 video, text files without Notepad screwing up the formatting, and Office documents ironically.

Notice how you can open the majority of those by just pressing spacebar in Mac OS X. QuickLook is extremely useful.

Outdated standards? The filesystem to name one. It's a pretty big deal.

And how hard is to download the necessary software to open these file types? Well over a billion people use Windows, it can't be that difficult. And better yet, suppose I never used OSX, how would I know how to do it without someone showing me, kinda like using Windows for the first time? Or iOS or Android for the first time. For most, there is a learning curve with anything new. Different for sure, outdated, very subjective.

 

[samcraig]

You can't even open Office documents in Windows without downloading something or buying Office. How did you open them?

OpenOffice.org? Microsoft's SkyDrive, and others.

They certainly pirate more, but I know that iOS users pirate. I know plenty of iOS pirates.

Your opinion. Not based on any factual data. Or do you have a source?

 

[Fatalbert]

I don't understand what is wrong with the "same old stuff." if it works, why change it? Minor improvements? sure, but really if isn't broke then why fix it?

I dunno, but whoever designs YouTube believes in changing it randomly. Sure a lot of the changes have been improvements, but the last few have just been for the sake of change... and now YouTube is stupid. The channel layout is destroyed, the homepage made more annoying, and the interface made glitchy. The comments are OK still. It keeps bugging me about BS like Google+ and using my real name on YouTube. It even told me once that I have a channel, which I obviously know since it has videos on it! By the way, the channel has gotten over 17000 views while monetized, and it still claims that I've made $0.00. Nice doing business with you, YouTube.

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OpenOffice.org? Microsoft's SkyDrive, and others.

That's extra software. You can't just open stuff out of the box. You've gotta go to a site or install some nonsense to open anything. But I guess Office is the exception since you have to install some good programs to open its files.

Mac OS: Press spacebar to view, or open in TextEdit. Done.

 

[epollyon]

Having been an Apple fan for the last few years owning numerous devices across Apple product lines I can agree up to a point. With Apple's "controlled closed platform" the fact that jailbreaks existed made it was always a non issue. If in the future this was to ever change, I would very seriously be looking at the Android platform. Especially since Goggle engineers have not been idle and have made ongoing improvements to the UI, and other features of the OS. If Apple allows QC and inovation to slip in more of it's new product lines, Samsung will prove to be a strong and worthy competitor. Just ask Sony who used to dominate the Television market what they think of Samsung.

i kinda want apple to go back to the drawing board. i love the guys and gals that work there, but i'm kinda tired of iOS and gadget releases. I want them to slow down their product cycle and focus on software a bit. OSX11? Beyond that, i have no idea what other ****in doodad they will convince me I need, lol.

my 2011 MBP 15" is my ****in baby, and my iPad is my grand-baby. of course, i want more pushes forward like removing HDD and full like of retinas everything. i can't think of anything else they could do! thats why i'm not in design/innovation heh

 

[flux73]

Yes and thats why your getting your ass kicked by Android.

I have owned the S3, Nexus 4 and the Note 2 and i can tell you fragmentation hasnt hurt my experience one bit.

PC's are fragmented to hell and they dont suffer. In fact OSX cant perform a single benchmark better than PC in any games.

Dont tell consumers its for their benefit you make the hardware and software. Its for your profit only

You have recent Android devices that all run Jelly Bean out of the box. It's not that easy for people who have Android devices that are older than 1 year.

Let's first take a look at iOS 6 numbers:
http://www.idownloadblog.com/2013/01/30/adoption-rate-ios-jelly-bean/
Summary:
- 300 million out of approximately 500 million iOS devices use iOS6. (60% adoption rate)

And this was back in January. The number is bound to be higher now with continuing sales of the iPhone 5.

Contrast that with recent stats about Android: http://www.droid-life.com/2013/03/0...rch-jelly-bean-slowly-rises-as-the-rest-fall/

- 16.5 % Jelly Bean adoption rate (14.6% 4.1; 1.9% 4.2)
- The vast majority of Android users (44.2%) are still using Gingerbread, which is 3 generations old

It doesn't give specific numbers for number of Android devices in current use, but let's be generous and say it's 300 million based on a count of 250 million a little over a month ago: http://www.mobiledevicemanager.com/mobile-device-statistics/250-million-android-devices-in-use/

That would put the total number of Jelly Bean users at 49.5 million. Versus iOS 6 users at 300 million.

So if you're an app developer who also has to deal with compatibility and user interface issues, which one are you going to develop for? Or if you develop for both and have limited resources and time, which one are you going to work on more to ensure it runs the best? Which one will you update and maintain more?

This whole notion of Android crushing iOS is ridiculous. Using this form of logic, Windows is still absolutely crushing Mac OS X when you compare all versions of Windows with all versions of OS X.

 

[samcraig]

I dunno, but whoever designs YouTube believes in changing it randomly. Sure a lot of the changes have been improvements, but the last few have just been for the sake of change... and now YouTube is stupid. The channel layout is destroyed, the homepage made more annoying, and the interface made glitchy. The comments are OK still. It keeps bugging me about BS like Google+ and using my real name on YouTube. It even told me once that I have a channel, which I obviously know since it has videos on it!

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That's extra software. You can't just open stuff out of the box. You've gotta go to a site or install some nonsense to open anything. But I guess Office is the exception since you have to install some good programs to open its files.

Mac OS: Press spacebar to view, or open in TextEdit. Done.

skydrive is cloud based.

 

[gotluck]

You can't even open Office documents in Windows without downloading something or buying Office. How did you open them?

google docs

and the filesystem isn't going anywhere, sure you can hide it like iOS - but it's still there.

 

[Fatalbert]

And how hard is to download the necessary software to open these file types?

Very tough if it's not your computer.

Even if it is, I've wasted so much time downloading every single Windows program on the Internet to make my Windows partition functional, and a lot of those apps are junk and barely do the job.

 

[aaaaaaron]

This (see photo below) is the only reason I stick with ios. I'll probably switch with the next Nexus device, and then buy an iPod touch to keep using apps I've bought, including my Cydia purchases of course.