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I'm a little disappointed with screen resolution, I'm ok with 326ppi (I've seen a Nexus 5 and I've not noticed a great difference), but I was hoping for sligthly larger text/targets, so a multiple of the original 568x320 or 640x360 @3x. 1GB of RAM should be ok, but I think in 2014 there's no reason to not go to 2GB, I think its a clear example of planned obsolescence (it won't be enough for iOs 10), a little irritating for a 650$ device. But the major disappointment is for that protruding camera, how can I put it on a flat surface without a case? If these specs are all true, I'll wait for a 6S to see if they fix at least RAM and camera.
Good cameras need depth. Most of the flagship smartphones cameras protrude. The ram is not broke.
 
1. Not anymore

2. No it isn't

3. It's better to say nothing on this because the iPhone battery life is barely competitive at this point in history among flagships.

1. I'd get your eyes checked out if you think Retina display isn't good anymore. It is. Bit blurry for you?

2. Er, yes, it is.

3. I'm just gonna give up on you, to me, the battery life is fine.
 
So what device do you like? Certainly not a galaxy s5, because it has 305 REAL ppi., against the 326 on the iPhone.

Ah, here come the special ones. Your snapdragon is a special edition, obviously. You are so lucky. You guys always appear.

Let me guess, your camera and screen are also better than the iPhone and your battery life, despite being a nexus 5, is way better than that of your friend's 5s?


I like my Nexus 5, Sony Xperia's are nice too.
Battery life better? yes, speed and smoothness better? yes Android 4.4.4 and 2GB RAM make it much smoother, no idea about the camera as I never had an iPhone 5S but it's very good, and my freind actually commented on how good video taken with the phone looked on the phones screen. Most of all I like the fact my £360 phone has buttons that do not break due to 'known issues' unlike the iPhone 4 and 5 I had costing twice as much!!!!

Providing a short video of that would be very nice :rolleyes:

You'll be waiting a long time then.
 
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Here's a fun screenshot from an S5 user on Android Central who was ONLY using his phone to stream HBO Go to a Chromecast

I missed the fun part, though? Or do you think that it is funny that an OS does proper memory management? Unused RAM is wasted RAM. Since no other app needs it, you will of course want to have as much as possible or it dedicated to caching and look-ahead.

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Let's not forget you're on a Apple forum.

Let's not forget that facts are facts, even in the strong RDF of an Apple forum... :)

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Apple makes parts to suit a design, not a design to suit parts. When will people realise this?

Apple does not make any parts.
 
Okay that makes sense in a slightly strange way, the reality is if everything was just scaled for the large screen nobody will really notice that a button is bigger on the 4.7 or 5.5" screen, like how is done on most Android devices.

Most developers will not make use of the extra screen real estate due to it requiring a totally new set of UX and UI designs for 3 different phones and possibly a lot of extra code to support these, most likely developers will either make everything proportionally bigger or just add more whitespace, the side effect of the proportion is this causes 4 different resolution set of assets to be included and the extra download/storage costs of these for devices which they aren't required. For example:

Non Retina - 50 x 50
Retina - 100 x 100
4.7" - 117 x 117 (rounded down from 117.18 x 117.18)
5.5" - 129 x 129 (rounded down from 129.37 x 129.37)

Using this logic you've probably at a minimum trebled the size of the asset catalog in your app.

Obviously this also results in an usual set of rounding challenges when scaling from a standard size of 320pt. This carries onto the web, which again currently most screens are designed at 320pt width and scaled accordingly for both Android and iOS and the number of mobile websites which don't provide retina quality assets is already annoying me a lot (BBC New for one).

If auto layout is the answer at present some of us still need to support iOS5, and auto layout makes animations (especially complex ones) quite difficult. Thats not saying that Apple won't have a magic bullet to solve all of this on the 9th of course.


Yes, but if you use the resolution you suggest (1704 x 960 @ 5.5"), than you are simply stretching the image. So, basically, everything you see on the 4-inch iPhone 5S right now, you'll also see on the 5.5" iPhone 6 - except much bigger. Much bigger. 1.4 times bigger, in fact. Text, images, apps, icons, etc. - everything will be 1.4 times bigger with the resolution you propose.

Apple is not doing that.

For you to compare: the Safari icon (or any app icon) on the iPad Air is 1.24 times bigger than on the iPhone 5S.

So, here's an explanation for the resolutions used in the 4.7" and 5.5" iPhones (assuming the suggested resolutons by Gruber are correct).

4.7" iPhone 6
iOS points resolution: 667 x 325
Resolution @2X Retina (as rumoured): 1334 x 750
PPI @2X Retina: 326 ppi

What happens here? Everything - text, icons, images, etc. - will remain as big on the 4.7" iPhone as they are on the iPhone 5S.
What has Apple done? They have added 99 points in height and 55 points in length (5445 new points).

The result? The display will remain as sharp as on the iPhone 5S and everything remains the same size, but now way more content can be shown (5445 extra points for extra content - or 1.4X more space for extra content).

5.5" iPhone 6
iOS points resolution: 736 x 414
Resolution @2X Retina: 1472 x 828
Resolution @3X Retina (as rumoured): 2208 x 1242
PPI @2X Retina: 307 ppi
PPI @3X Retina: 414 ppi

What happens here? Unlike with the 4.7" iPhone, everything will become slightly bigger. How much bigger? 1.04x bigger. Basically, sizes of app icons, texts, etc. will be bigger than on the iPad mini but smaller than on the iPad Air.

Additionally, just like on the 4.7" iPhone, extra pixels in every direction have been added. How many more? 168 points in height and 94 points in width (15792 points for extra content).

The result? Everything will look ever so slightly bigger (1.04x) - one of the things customer expect of big screen displays. Additionally, much more content can be shown (15792 extra points for content - or 1.7X more space for extra content).

There is only one problem: everything will look slightly fuzzier, because at 2X Retina, the pixel density will be 307 ppi (19 ppi less than before). And that's where the 2208 x 1242 resolution comes from - because that delivers a "3X Retina quality" - which boosts the pixel density to 414 ppi and makes it easy for developers to adjust artwork.
 
I do question whether the difference is great enough to be noticed in actual use, at normal viewing distances, by a sufficient percentage of the population, to a great enough degree to matter MORE than the speed and battery penalties that higher PPI will always carry.

If a mr. foureyes like myself can easily see the jaggedness of the signal strength circles and the fuzziness of all text when it gets small enough, then yes, I'd wager that basically everyone can see it.
 
I missed the fun part, though? Or do you think that it is funny that an OS does proper memory management? Unused RAM is wasted RAM. Since no other app needs it, you will of course want to have as much as possible or it dedicated to caching and look-ahead.

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Let's not forget that facts are facts, even in the strong RDF of an Apple forum... :)

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Apple does not make any parts.
Apple makes plenty of parts
 
Re: visible density. There's standard eye resolution and then there's real life.

Although "retina" calculations are based on a standardized "average eye" resolution ability of 1 arc minute, in real life scientists say that people can see down to 0.4 arc minute.

That means that even at 12" away, a display would need over 700 ppi. Not the so-called "retina" 300 ppi.

At 6" away, it would need 1400 ppi.

So yes, higher densities are visible to many people.

For similar reasons, many laser printers can do more than the usual "print quality" 300 DPI. It is noticeable to many.

This. And for close distances (such as the normal viewing distance for a phone), the only people struggling would be those over 40 or 50 who are "coming down" with age vision.

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Apple makes plenty of parts

Such as?
 
requiring a totally new set of UX and UI designs for 3 different phones and possibly a lot of extra code to support these

The idea is exactly to not design apps UIs for specific resolutions, but let the UI adapt and fit to the screen. No need to know if the device is @2x or @3x and what size or resolution its screen has, Apple ensures consistency of pixel density and rendering on different sizes, devs only have to conform to HIG and provide adequates BMP resources.
 
They would have sold exactly zero more iPhone 6's with 1080p and 2GB.

Nope. At least one more person (me) would buy it if it had those specs. RAM and screen are basically all that I'm concerned with, the rest has been perfectly fine since at least the iPhone 5.

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Which you would do regardless. People who buy things will always find some stupid reason to justify their decision.

There, fixed that for you.

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Seriously why do some of you hate on anything better then what apple gives you?

Because in their mind Apple is the ultimate expression of bestness in existance. Apple can do nothing wrong and Apple can be second best to none. Thus, every time someone else actually is better, their warped minds will have to jump in and explain it away in a way that Apple being worse is actually better.
 
I guess you have no idea what you are talking about. Sorry to say that!
Maybe I didn't explain what I mean with backup/restore:
  • Backup all settings, backgrounds, app data, files, network settings
  • Backup everything on a phone
  • Restore everything by one touch. The restored phone should be an exact copy of the backed up one..

Copying some files from an SD card is not the same.

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I say hi too. And?

Sense cannot do that! It can maybe restore the background and start installing the apps you had before. All other settings are gone.
App data are gone too.

I have tried that many times and I know what I am writing about.

You clearly don't own an android device

Apps can be installed on SD card directly, or moved to SD card after installation. This also includes app data, so if I played a game like ski safari that doesn't save progress with GOOGLE I can continue playing where I left off on my new phone.(I've done this process on my note2/note3 transition). Your backgrounds are images which are saved on an SD card/system memory which can be easily copied and re-applied.

Also you mentioned before that titanium backup is not for the average user, well than why has titanium backup the 13th most popular app?(has been in top app range for a long time). Rooting is now a one click process with towel root app for most phones.

Network settings- wow you got one, but really doesn't take over 10 seconds to restore.
 
iPhone 3GS resolution: 480x320
iPhone 4 resolution: (2*480)x(2*320) = 960x640 (2x retina)
iPhone 5/5s resolution: 1136x640 (2x retina with 16:9 ratio)
non-retina 16:9 display resolution: (1136/2)x(640/2) = 568x320

I think that the 16:9 3x retina display resolution will be (3*568)x(3*320) = 1704x960.

A 3x retina on a 4.7" display means 416ppi => close to Samsung Galaxy S5 (432ppi).
A 3x retina on a 5.5" display means 355ppi => huge gap from the competition

In conclusion, i think that the 3x retina display will be on the 4,7" iPhone 6.



This. Ding ding ding we have a winner. Give that man a biscuit. :)

Glad to see I was not the only person who saw it this way. Which logically makes sense.

355 ppi is still retina. More than the human eye can see. Heck I would be good with if they stuck with 326 ppi. I have a galaxy s4 and can't tell the difference between the two for sharpness. Even zoomed in.

To the trolls. Let's do a test.

Which one is the galaxy s4 and which one is the 5s?

http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_S4_ShootOut_1.htm
 

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You clearly don't own an android device

Apps can be installed on SD card directly, or moved to SD card after installation. This also includes app data, so if I played a game like ski safari that doesn't save progress with GOOGLE I can continue playing where I left off on my new phone.(I've done this process on my note2/note3 transition). Your backgrounds are images which are saved on an SD card/system memory which can be easily copied and re-applied.

Also you mentioned before that titanium backup is not for the average user, well than why has titanium backup the 13th most popular app?(has been in top app range for a long time). Rooting is now a one click process with towel root app for most phones.

Network settings- wow you got one, but really doesn't take over 10 seconds to restore.

Is it the same as using a one click procedure to restore everything to a new phone?

I have used Android and this is one of its biggest shortcomings. If you go to other forums like Androidcentral, everybody admits that...
So, let's say you have ten games that you want to restore. You will have to do everything manual, moving all files to an SD card, and then copying them back to the new phone. This doesn't sound very user friendly..
I am not saying that this is the end of the world, but it's an area where Android must improve.
As far as titanium backup concerns, it can be used without root too, so people download it..Of course without root you can't really do much..

It is a failure of the OS that people must root their phones to get such a basic functionality. Many are up to it and can deal with it, but they lose their guarantee..There are many horror stories of people that tried to root their phones and had many issues with that. Especially going back to an unrooted configuration can be proven tricky. It all depends on the phone of course..

All these things show one thing though: Android has many rough edges and it doesn't take care of its users as iOS does.
Don't get me wrong here, I believe Android is a good OS, but it is even better if you are a geek. If you are just interested in using a phone, then iOS is much better.
 
Maybe the RAM needs to be increased, but I'd like to know why, in real life use terms. I have a good idea of what more RAM means on my Windows laptop or my MacBook, but on an iPhone?
Same thing for Retina display. Phones with a bigger screens may need a higher ppi, but with a 3.5" or 4" screen, would you even be able to tell the difference?

Ram is used for essentially the same reasons on an iphone as on a PC. Multitasking, gaming, etc. The higher end phones that have 2gb+ ram can even load 2 apps side by side(you can watch youtube and type and email).

PPI stands for Pixels per inch(ppi is actually more important for small devices since you keep them so close to your face vs. a laptop or a tv). So when a galaxy s5 prime has over 500ppi and iphone has over 300, it means that if u take 1in x 1in squares from both displays you will have over 60% more pixels in one display vs. the other, resulting in greater clarity.
 
I had the HTC One M8 and yes, it has a sharper screen, but you barely notice it. What you will definitely notice though, are the oversaturated colors that destroy the experience (at least mine). Everything looks unreal. Try watching a video. Human skin color almost looks red. It's a shame because apart from that I liked the M8 a lot...
The iPhone's display is much better and it doesn't matter that it has lower PPI. It is more than enough and it looks real sharp too. Add to that the perfect color reproduction and you have a winner..

This type of thing is very subjective, clearly. But small text (95% of my usage) is so much sharper on the HTC ONE that it's not even a competition. The iPhone's PPI is outdated SEVERELY. I'm not talking just from a who-cares numbers perspective. I mean from a practical, everyday-usage perspective.

Also, see my post two down from here.
 
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Is it the same as using a one click procedure to restore everything to a new phone?

I have used Android and this is one of its biggest shortcomings. If you go to other forums like Androidcentral, everybody admits that...
So, let's say you have ten games that you want to restore. You will have to do everything manual, moving all files to an SD card, and then copying them back to the new phone. This doesn't sound very user friendly..
I am not saying that this is the end of the world, but it's an area where Android must improve.
As far as titanium backup concerns, it can be used without root too, so people download it..Of course without root you can't really do much..

It is a failure of the OS that people must root their phones to get such a basic functionality. Many are up to it and can deal with it, but they lose their guarantee..There are many horror stories of people that tried to root their phones and had many issues with that. Especially going back to an unrooted configuration can be proven tricky. It all depends on the phone of course..

All these things show one thing though: Android has many rough edges and it doesn't take care of its users as iOS does.
Don't get me wrong here, I believe Android is a good OS, but it is even better if you are a geek. If you are just interested in using a phone, then iOS is much better.

Some companies like samsung do offer an Itunes-like application and do offer phone backup in a oneclick process.

All your apps are located in 1 or 2 folders depending whether or not you split apps between system and SD card memory, so all it takes is copying that one, sometimes two folder(s) (usually pretty fast with USB 3.0). You are right that IOS is much more user friendly.

Unrooting/rooting phones is now a one click process in most flagships, and I have never had a problem replacing my device rooted/unrooted at my ATT store.
 
This. Ding ding ding we have a winner. Give that man a biscuit. :)

Glad to see I was not the only person who saw it this way. Which logically makes sense.

355 ppi is still retina. More than the human eye can see. Heck I would be good with if they stuck with 326 ppi. I have a galaxy s4 and can't tell the difference between the two for sharpness. Even zoomed in.

To the trolls. Let's do a test.

Which one is the galaxy s4 and which one is the 5s?

Isn't the S4 pentile, though? Not really a good comparison. Compare to another IPS LCD like the HTC ONE. The difference is stark.

Take a look at the attached image (click for full-size). It's from this site:

http://www.iclarified.com/28700/dis...axy-s-4-s-iii-vs-xperia-z-vs-one-vs-lumia-920

The difference is obvious, and honestly - it's even more obvious in person. The iPhone Retina display is outdated (as is Samsung's pentile arrangement - as you can see).

I've mentioned this before on these forums. Pixels Per Inch (PPI) is irrelevant. The only numbers we should be interested in are Sub Pixels Per Inch (SPPI). That's why the Galaxy S4, despite having a 1080p display, is really not much sharper than an iPhone 5S whereas the HTC ONE, also with a 1080p display - is significantly sharper than both. Samsung's pentile arrangement causes noticeable "jaggies" when it comes to text.

You can see the difference at the pixel level between all these phones here:

http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/S...-Z-vs-One-vs-Galaxy-S-III-vs-Lumia-920_id3286

I'm sorry, but OBJECTIVELY the Galaxy S4 is not as sharp as the HTC ONE, and the HTC ONE is noticeably sharper than an iPhone 4/4S/5/5S. And yes, many of us can easily see the difference in everyday usage.

e.g. Go to www.nyt.com on your iPhone, and tap "view the desktop version" (the option is near the bottom of the screen). Don't zoom in. See how jagged/blurry/aliased and almost unreadable the text is? Now do the same on an HTC ONE. So easy to read it's hilarious. It's not that the iPhone display is too small. It's that the text is just not made up of enough pixels per inch. If the exact same iPhone 5S display had more pixels per inch, it would make a world of difference to many of us.

Bottom line, Apple calling it a Retina display when pretty much every (if not every) flagship device out there puts Apple's display to shame is just.. well.. embarrassing? Again, we're not getting into color accuracy/sunlight viewing-ability etc. We're talking purely from a sharpness perspective, which is where the term "Retina" came from.

Apple is behind the times, and I really hope the iPhone 6 doesn't carry the same PPI as every iPhone since iPhone 4 over four years ago.
 

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Some companies like samsung do offer an Itunes-like application and do offer phone backup in a oneclick process.

All your apps are located in 1 or 2 folders depending whether or not you split apps between system and SD card memory, so all it takes is copying that one, sometimes two folder(s) (usually pretty fast with USB 3.0). You are right that IOS is much more user friendly.

Unrooting/rooting phones is now a one click process in most flagships, and I have never had a problem replacing my device rooted/unrooted at my ATT store.

HTC's Backup/Restore is a joke. I don't know about the others. The thing is, Google should take care of that and not the OEMs..If only there were no skins..
 
Unless, of course, the iWatch is real... It's surprising how well it's been under wraps...

To be fair I imagine that if the iWatch is announced on the 9th it probably won't ship for a few months, hence the lack of any leaked parts etc. I think this same pattern for the iPhone 6 5.5 inch version suggests a later launch date, too.
 
This type of thing is very subjective, clearly. But small text (95% of my usage) is so much sharper on the HTC ONE that it's not even a competition. The iPhone's PPI is outdated SEVERELY. I'm not talking just from a who-cares numbers perspective. I mean from a practical, everyday-usage perspective.

I had an M8 for months and I really couldn't see the difference. Maybe it's just my eyes though (I am 41 years old and my eyes started having issues with reading...)
 
HTC's Backup/Restore is a joke. I don't know about the others. The thing is, Google should take care of that and not the OEMs..If only there were no skins..

I agree. But more so Google/manufacturers also needs to stop carriers from filling the phones with bloat and controlling the updates(most manufacturers are good with updates, but carriers purposefully stall updates to force you into buying newer phones).
 
I agree. But more so Google/manufacturers also needs to stop carriers from filling the phones with bloat and controlling the updates(most manufacturers are good with updates, but carriers purposefully stall updates to force you into buying newer phones).

Yes, it's actually pretty sad that newer versions don't really get used for months, unless you have a GPE version.
 
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