4.7-Inch iPhone 6 Built From Parts Supports Theory of 1334 x 750 Display

[Stanick]

Reading some replies here I get the feeling that:

1. Screen resolution doesn't matter.
2. RAM doesn't matter
3. Multi-core processors don't matter
4. Design doesn't matter.

Yet somehow the ridiculous price is being justified?

 

[MacSince1990]

This iPhone could have never ending battery life, a nuclear generator as a SoC... I don't care.

With 1 GB of RAM, we know people will be getting screwed when they buy one. To a lesser extent, it already happened with iPad Air, mini retina and even the 5s. What a bummer, if true.

Since the a7 is already limited by the 1 GB of Ram, they might as well use it on the next devices too.

What?

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I think at such a pathetic resolution 1gb ram will be enough for the 4.7.

Very true. People used to run 1280x1024 w/32 MB RAM and 4 MB VRAM with no problem. I think you may be right that 1024 MB RAM should be enough. I think once we get to resolutions around 897837682937x98398732897 that 1 GB of RAM might not be enough.

 

[Stanick]

Android users had never had the luck to use a smartphone with almost perfect color reproduction. Everything is oversaturated and looks unreal. We are lucky that Apple tries to give us a color accurate display. We are lucky that Apple tries to give us a color accurate display.

Apple is? I though the display is made by Sharp and the same IPS display can be found on many android phones...

The iPhone6 display will be made by... LG.

 

[MacSince1990]

to me, you're points seems like an apple apology.

I said in another thread: There are very few smart people in this world; But there are many dumb people - with lots of money!

And those will be the ones in line for this pathetic 2014 device. Same boring UI, same crappy RAM, same bullcrap marketing retina.

To be honest, this entire post (from your grammatical choices, to word choice, to overall prose, to your apparent beliefs in what actually matters in terms of performance) leads me to believe that you don't fall into the category of people you think you do.

 

[Dilster3k]

Something about the reflection on the 6's screen doesn't seem right compared to the 5S's screen.

 

[MacSince1990]

Apple is? I though the display is made by Sharp and the same IPS display can be found on many android phones...

The iPhone6 display will be made by... LG.

Well, sure, but Apple *does* choose the display they use in their phones, right?

Apple has always chosen high-grade screens in all of its major devices (including, of course, its standalone monitors).

 

[petvas]

Apple is? I though the display is made by Sharp and the same IPS display can be found on many android phones...

The iPhone6 display will be made by... LG.

Just have a look at displaymate's reviews, or from Anandtech. It's not only the display, it's also its calibration.

 

[Hurda]

Reading some replies here I get the feeling that:

1. Screen resolution doesn't matter.
2. RAM doesn't matter
3. Multi-core processors don't matter
4. Design doesn't matter.

Yet somehow the ridiculous price is being justified?

The only thing that matters is on the back.

 

[petvas]

I am wondering, does this forum have an age limit for registration? Maybe there should be one.
Apple products are for people that understand and like Apple's philosophy. People that also want quality and live similarly.
Everybody else will never accept Apple and what it represents. It has to do with being able to understand and appreciate quality. It is pretty much normal and I think that those people should just move on and go and find something out there that fits their lives better. I am sure there is something for everybody out there.

 

[drew0020]

I'm not sure wtf you guys go off of what is enough and what isn't. Does it run everything you download? Yes? You have enough ram...

It does NOT run Safari properly with multiple tabs open. It's either a Safari problem that's been around since the iPhone 4/5 or you do not have enough RAM.

I'm not sure why people defend Apple, spew the taking points about optimization, etc. They use a best in class processor which is faster than anything else on the market yet they skimp on RAM therefor ruining an otherwise excellent experience when you use Safari.

There is no excuse for it. I'll wait for the talking points response:
1. Optimization
2. Battery impact

 

[Alundra]

Reading some replies here I get the feeling that:

1. Screen resolution doesn't matter.
2. RAM doesn't matter
3. Multi-core processors don't matter
4. Design doesn't matter.

Yet somehow the ridiculous price is being justified?

True!

There is way too many sheep out here my friend.

 

[TommyA6]

Out of curiosity, do you know:

- That the A7 is soon to be 1 year old;
- Antutu is very very poorly optimized for iOS, and because of that it isn't even used on any review on any website;
- Most Apps (really, almost 100 %) only take advantage of 1 or 2 cores, and the A7 core per core destroys everything else;
- The iPhone is the fastest device on most CPU based benchmarks, even those that do not mirror real situations, and in all GPU benchmarks when the screen is on?

So the iPhone 5s is by far the fastest device being sold today.

Do you also know that speed only matters or certain apps and OS support (longevity), and the iPhone has all the best and most demanding apps and games, and is also by far the most supported device? I mean, the international version of the S3 (exynos quad core) didn't get kitkat!

So your all post is pointless, biased, wrong and a huge waste of time? Do you also know what a pentile display is? And that a full HD resolution is pointless ON A 4" screen? Do you know that the iPhone's screen is overall at least on par with the S5 overall and way better on most metrics? (white colors, brightness, accuracy, longevity, non-pentile PPI, etc.)?

Your posts are an waste of time. Inform yourself.

He is too ignorant to understand some basic stuff, but hey 8 cores

 

[apolloa]

Screen resolution alone is meaningless. What matters is PPI. But PPI above 300 doesn't matter that much, too.

This..........

Re: visible density. There's standard eye resolution and then there's real life.

Although "retina" calculations are based on a standardized "average eye" resolution ability of 1 arc minute, in real life scientists say that people can see down to 0.4 arc minute.

That means that even at 12" away, a display would need over 700 ppi. Not the so-called "retina" 300 ppi.

At 6" away, it would need 1400 ppi.

So yes, higher densities are visible to many people.

For similar reasons, many laser printers can do more than the usual "print quality" 300 DPI. It is noticeable to many.

 

[pedromcm.pm]

Reading some replies here I get the feeling that:

1. Screen resolution doesn't matter.
2. RAM doesn't matter
3. Multi-core processors don't matter
4. Design doesn't matter.

Yet somehow the ridiculous price is being justified?

No one is saying that.

A bigger screen resolution doesn't matter on a 4" screen. You would see 0 difference. However it is imperative to use a bigger resolution on bigger screens, in order to keep the same PPI.

Keep in mind that once you do the math and factor pentile, Samsung didn't surpass the iphone's PPI with the galaxy s5.

Ram matters less on iOS, but still matters a lot and everybody is outraged. Also, remember that a moto e is faster than a galaxy s5. There's a long road to optimize ram usage.

Multi core matters only when it makes sense. If they aren't written that way, multi core brings 0 advantages in speed. Hey , the evidence is right there in the A7 and Samsung's garbage on real world usage.

Design matters. Every iPhone was criticized before being officially unveiled, but then when people saw the real thing as a finished product, they were all praised. Like this one.

Basically you pay for a much longer support, the best camera, innovative and useful features like touch ID, leader of the pack or close on thing that matter to real world usage and unmatched real world performance and ecosystem.

Other flagships offer nothing like this.

If you don't get, invest in your education first before buying phones.

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Apple is? I though the display is made by Sharp and the same IPS display can be found on many android phones...

The iPhone6 display will be made by... LG.

OK, someone ban this guy. Huge lack of knowledge. Guess what, Sony also makes the camera components and their own photos from phones suck!

Its all about the software (calibration or processing, in this case) and costs.

 

[apolloa]

Is this a bad joke? Considering that the A7 in the 5S is still quicker than the Snapdragon 801 in the GS5 (and the 801 is marginally faster than Exynos 5422 in CPU performance and massively faster in GPU performance), it's a near certainty that A8 will be quicker than the Exynos 5430, which is the 5422's 20nm successor with slightly better clocks..

Through my personal experience the A7 in my iPad Mini Retina, so it has higher thermal room, is slower and less responsive then the Snapdragon 800 in my Nexus 5. So based on that I know which one I would rather have, the 801 would be even faster.

 

[pedromcm.pm]

True!

There is way too many sheep out here my friend.

And they all buy galaxy s5. Hey, 8 cores! Me so fast!

 

[clibinarius]

The screen quality on the 5s is amazing.
1GB of RAM on a PHONE is enough.
Battery life, well you can't comment on that until you've used it properly.

To me, all of your points are invalid.

1. You haven't looked at the newer AMOLED screens coming out.
2. Yes. Who should need more? I mean, you've clearly figured out MY needs! 1 GB of RAM is enough-FOR YOU.
3. There's good reason to be pessimistic. Apple hasn't had a great battery since iPhone 4.

 

[pedromcm.pm]

This..........

So what device do you like? Certainly not a galaxy s5, because it has 305 REAL ppi., against the 326 on the iPhone.

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Through my personal experience the A7 in my iPad Mini Retina, so it has higher thermal room, is slower and less responsive then the Snapdragon 800 in my Nexus 5. So based on that I know which one I would rather have, the 801 would be even faster.

Ah, here come the special ones. Your snapdragon is a special edition, obviously. You are so lucky. You guys always appear.

Let me guess, your camera and screen are also better than the iPhone and your battery life, despite being a nexus 5, is way better than that of your friend's 5s?

 

[Stanick]

No one is saying that.

OK, someone ban this guy. Huge lack of knowledge. Guess what, Sony also makes the camera components and their own photos from phones suck!

Its all about the software (calibration or processing, in this case) and costs.

You can't be serious )) Don't ban me )) Instead get some real arguments in defense of your position.

 

[fredcintra]

a barely better than 720p screen, 1GB ram, crappy battery capacity - wow, I thought these leaks are for a windows mobile phone!

Why would you want a display better than 326ppi if you can't see more than that? A 1080p display would be a gimmick, a waste of resources, more battery usage, graphics usage for nothing

 

[ThatsMeRight]

I understand that, but the original iPhone resolution elongated for the iPhone 5 is 568x320, which at 3x would be 1704x960, not the random 2208 x 1242 (736 x 414) resolution quoted here.

Yes, but if you use the resolution you suggest (1704 x 960 @ 5.5"), than you are simply stretching the image. So, basically, everything you see on the 4-inch iPhone 5S right now, you'll also see on the 5.5" iPhone 6 - except much bigger. Much bigger. 1.4 times bigger, in fact. Text, images, apps, icons, etc. - everything will be 1.4 times bigger with the resolution you propose.

Apple is not doing that.

For you to compare: the Safari icon (or any app icon) on the iPad Air is 1.24 times bigger than on the iPhone 5S.

So, here's an explanation for the resolutions used in the 4.7" and 5.5" iPhones (assuming the suggested resolutons by Gruber are correct).

4.7" iPhone 6
iOS points resolution: 667 x 325
Resolution @2X Retina (as rumoured): 1334 x 750
PPI @2X Retina: 326 ppi

What happens here? Everything - text, icons, images, etc. - will remain as big on the 4.7" iPhone as they are on the iPhone 5S.
What has Apple done? They have added 99 points in height and 55 points in length (5445 new points).

The result? The display will remain as sharp as on the iPhone 5S and everything remains the same size, but now way more content can be shown (5445 extra points for extra content - or 1.4X more space for extra content).

5.5" iPhone 6
iOS points resolution: 736 x 414
Resolution @2X Retina: 1472 x 828
Resolution @3X Retina (as rumoured): 2208 x 1242
PPI @2X Retina: 307 ppi
PPI @3X Retina: 414 ppi

What happens here? Unlike with the 4.7" iPhone, everything will become slightly bigger. How much bigger? 1.04x bigger. Basically, sizes of app icons, texts, etc. will be bigger than on the iPad mini but smaller than on the iPad Air.

Additionally, just like on the 4.7" iPhone, extra pixels in every direction have been added. How many more? 168 points in height and 94 points in width (15792 points for extra content).

The result? Everything will look ever so slightly bigger (1.04x) - one of the things customer expect of big screen displays. Additionally, much more content can be shown (15792 extra points for content - or 1.7X more space for extra content).

There is only one problem: everything will look slightly fuzzier, because at 2X Retina, the pixel density will be 307 ppi (19 ppi less than before). And that's where the 2208 x 1242 resolution comes from - because that delivers a "3X Retina quality" - which boosts the pixel density to 414 ppi and makes it easy for developers to adjust artwork.

 

[TommyA6]

The new 8core is a beast.you will also need that faster WiFi for when you use a 4k TV and want to blast 4k video to it from your cell but I don't think the iPhone 6 records in 4k either so they don't need it yet.The galaxy s5 can record ultra HD 4k video and 5 minutes of recording is over 1.8GB of space and needs USB 3.0 to transfer that bandwidth without it getting chopy

That's also using heavy compression as uncompressed 4k video rgb at 24fps is about 466mb per second.

Let's say you have 20GB of music you want to sync over also. Would you rather use 150mb/sec or 500? Seriously why do some of you hate on anything better then what apple gives you?

You provided only one benchmark (which coincidently is poorly optimized for iOS), out of hundreds
A7 is a year old and is still as fast or faster than other Android SoCs (just go to anandtech and see for yourself).

BTW I didn't know iPhone 6 camera specs are out already... And 150 Mbps is enough to blast your (heavily compressed) 4K video to your TV, which I assume (or should I??) is 4K capable.

 

[pedromcm.pm]

You can't be serious )) Don't ban me )) Instead get some real arguments in defense of your position.

Your previous post was very clear: You understand 0 about the business (who makes who's screens, why they should or shouldn't use them on their own devices, etc.), 0 about display quality, but you still talked like if you knew something.

That has a name.

 

[Stanick]

Your previous post was very clear: You understand 0 about the business (who makes who's screens, why they should or shouldn't use them on their own devices, etc.), 0 about display quality, but you still talked like if you knew something.

That has a name.

I'm not gonna get in an argument with you... that's not why I'm here for. I simply stated that the display is not made by Apple but by Sharp and that the future iPhone6 will have a display made by LG. This post of mine was in connection with another post that stated that apple made better displays than "any android device". Which is simply not true because Apple does not make displays.

 

[petvas]

I'm not gonna get in an argument with you... that's not why I'm here for. I simply stated that the display is not made by Apple but by Sharp and that the future iPhone6 will have a display made by LG. This post of mine was in connection with another post that stated that apple made better displays than "any android device". Which is simply not true because Apple does not make displays.

I didn't say that Apple makes displays, just that the display experience on an iPhone is much superior. I have tested many Android devices and NONE of them comes close to the iPhone. The good thing is that you don't have to take my word for it. Just read Anandtech or other technical sites..