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It is not, two hard drive bays are too much waste of space and where to put the SSD blade? The Apple TV is an ARM computer, so it will not become that small. But the current Mac mini size is still derived from the width of an optical disk drive and that's not the future either.

Yes and no. The non-optical disc versions are thiner and if you crack one open, you'll see there is very little if any unused space. Outside of totally doing away with traditional HD's (and possibly user-removable RAM, which would suck), I don't know how they are going to save more space.
 
Thanks for the rant.

Back at ya!

Mac mini with OS X Server means two drives, Fusion Drive means one drive and one SSD blade. The second drive bay is unnecessary. One 9.5mm notebook drive can now hold up to 2TB of data, enough for many use cases. And exactly the same amount of storage space Apple is offering today with its two 1TB drives maximum.

Do you object morally to more storage space? The mini is already so small that there is no meaningful benefit for making it shorter. But, what I am more worried about is space for the connectors. The back is the right size for the current connectors. It has the correct connectors now. I don't want it to lose any.

So no, we would lose nothing by making the Mac mini a little smaller. And the current MacBook Pro isn't too thin either. I have an old one and I never use the optical drive and I never use the Ethernet port. That's all useless weight, I have to carry around. Let the Floppy Disk die already! :rolleyes:

I agree about the optical drive, but, it should have become a second drive bay. And, I use my Ethernet every day.
 
Yes and no. The non-optical disc versions are thiner and if you crack one open, you'll see there is very little if any unused space. Outside of totally doing away with traditional HD's (and possibly user-removable RAM, which would suck), I don't know how they are going to save more space.
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Yes they are thinner without the optical drive, but I'm not speaking only about height, but also width and depth. These 7.7 times 7.7 inch are a legacy from when there was an optical drive in the Mini and I'm not sure if this footprint is best for a future without spinning disks. Just because there is so very little unused space, they have to change the innards anyway to make room for an SSD blade slot on the motherboard.

And while they are at it, why not rethink the positioning of everything else in there? A modern hard drive is only 7mm thin, why not put it above or beneath the motherboard instead of next to it? Look how small the Wi-Fi chip in an iPhone has become. Apple is kind of done with Infrared and Firewire. These things are only still in there because the Mini is overdue for a new form factor.

I should probably follow my own advice and sell my End-2012 Mini while it's still worth it's weight in gold. :rolleyes:
 

Yes they are thinner without the optical drive, but I'm not speaking only about height, but also width and depth. These 7.7 times 7.7 inch are a legacy from when there was an optical drive in the Mini and I'm not sure if this footprint is best for a future without spinning disks. Just because there is so very little unused space, they have to change the innards anyway to make room for an SSD blade slot on the motherboard.

And while they are at it, why not rethink the positioning of everything else in there? A modern hard drive is only 7mm thin, why not put it above or beneath the motherboard instead of next to it? Look how small the Wi-Fi chip in an iPhone has become. Apple is kind of done with Infrared and Firewire. These things are only still in there because the Mini is overdue for a new form factor.

I should probably follow my own advice and sell my End-2012 Mini while it's still worth it's weight in gold. :rolleyes:

Baby Mac Pro form-factor!
 
Or 2018-2019+. It took almost four years for TB 2 to incorporate DP 1.2. And even that hasn't yet made it to the Mini (or the iMac for that matter). TB 3 is not planned to incorporate DP 1.3 when it rolls out with Skylake in 2015 (or 2016 if Broadwell is any indication), so you're probably looking to at least TB 4 for DP 1.3 to arrive on the scene. By the time that makes its nMP/MBP debut and trickles down to the Mini we'll probably be celebrating the new decade.
If usb3.1+DAM becomes mainstream next year, I guess that even Apple can't deny that and at the latest in 2016 Apple needs to get on board. With TB3 with incorporated dp1.3 or ditching TB for good and replacing it with usb3.1+DAM.
 
Firewire is still useful

Apple is kind of done with...Firewire. These things are only still in there because the Mini is overdue for a new form factor.

Whether Apple is done with FireWire or not, I personally have many legacy products (camcorder and external exchangeable drive bay most importantly) that require them and would really hate to see it go.
 
Please be true

I've been waiting too long Apple.

I don't care if it doesn't have the latest cpu. Just give me a decent GPU, 6gbs of ram and a 500gb SSD drive.

And PLEASE be cheap.

:)
 
On a laptop, soldering ram lets them make the case smaller and thinner. So if they want a certain size they do need to solder it. Not sure why soldered ram keeps coming up on this thread when they have never done that on a desktop computer.

And msata isn't good enough. They didn't go with a proprietary connection for those just to be different, they did it because going proprietary let them achieve speeds faster than existing SATA or mSATA. Faster SATA standards are in the works but they weren't available yet when Apple released these machines with drives that went faster than SATA allowed. Once there are faster SATA options available Apple may embrace them.

Their proprietary connector is barely faster and not at all worth the lack of upgradeability. In 2-3 years, these systems can use even faster technology yet to be released.

Secondly, the new iMac released over the summer has soldered RAM.


I prefer more space in a desktop and I prefer standard connectors so that I can install larger/faster drives or larger amounts of memory to extend the life of my product.

Apple prefers I buy a new product and discard the old one. So much for green...

If they re-design, I suspect soldered and proprietary is what they will do. Its a complete money grab.
 
Likely correct

Apple prefers I buy a new product and discard the old one. So much for green...

If they re-design, I suspect soldered and proprietary is what they will do. Its a complete money grab.

As much as I want it not to be so, I bet you are right.
 
arian19 said:
Hopefully this will shut up those mac mini fans.

The fans on my MacMini are very quiet. :)

:eek: I just done seen a troll get exploded. :eek:

Humor is the best way to deal with them for sure.


For those who say "but Apple makes less money from computers than from phones and tablets" that may be true, but Apple also has put a lot more innovation into phones and tablets than they've put into desktops and laptops.
Look at how Apple has improved the iPhone over the past 7 years and look how Apple has improved the Mini. If Apple gave OSX users the same level of upgrades that Apple gives to iOS users, OSX-based system sales would go way up. Likewise if Apple never released the iPhone 5S or 6 or 6 Plus but instead left the iPhone 5 untouched for 2 years, would not a lot of iOS users be a little bummed right now?
 
The mini as a squat looking mac pro may look like a bed pan but I would still buy it due to how quiet this design is suppose to be. If they can tone down the noise on the mini in any way i'm all for it.
 
I'm still using a 2007 era mini for my media server. Am looking forward to finally upgrading since I can no longer run the latest OS on it.

It's worked flawlessly all these years.
 
I've been waiting for a couple years for an updated Mac mini. Hopefully, this rumor is true.

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I wish they would make one that used desktop grade hardware and had a pci-e slot for graphics cards. Something with some power.

This.
I don't really like the fact that mini's use notebook class CPUs instead of desktop class. It's the only negative with these machines.
 
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