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12.2-Inch 'iPad Air Plus' May Launch Between April and June 2015 With A9 Processor

sracer said:
Their early Windows tablets and later on Origami devices would've "proved" the uselessness of tablets.
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Excuse me? Uselessness for the mainstream customers (because they don't want to use a pen) but for professionals, in no way!

Heck, now that I've hacked Windows 8.1 on and put an SSD in it, my 11-year-old, that is, very-very early HP TC1100 is absolutely usable with Inkspace and other pen apps. I just love using it with the pen.

So much for early Windows tablets being "useless". They didn't sell in large numbers, that's right - nevertheless, they're much-much better at certain areas (drawing etc.) than any other solution.
 
Zxxv said:
The latest naming sucks. Either sack someone or hire someone. Maybe both.
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Was thinking same.

Maybe they want to stay away from "Pro" as it would deemphasize other models for pro use. Makes sense.

Inject "Air" into the naming convention to leave space for growth from the Prosumer space into a true pro space? (Remember Steve's "Business 101" matrix for computers Consumer (Air) and Pro matched with desk and lap.

The matic has had 4 squares and a bridging rectangle ever since the ipad was introduced. Now we see the rise of the Lite mimicing Air name possibly for consumers. (Where Air conveys lightness but Lite sounds like something was left out). Could it be that this rectangle will do a 2 for 1 split into Air and Pro boxes?

I was thinking a new larger ipad might carry the "Maxi" name mirroring the Mini name for the size below the standard ipad. But maybe the Pro wont be a size related thing but a function related thing...

Imagine a pro line of iPads geared much more toward content creation than content consumption. Imagine larger memory, storage, processors, screen and battery in a slightly larger case. Such a pro ipad would be a wholly new category and would fit well with apples move into industry by leveraging ibm.

Such devices would be capable as desktop replacements. Perhaps running a flavor of ios+ allowing split screen or multiple users. Or even more likely with so much processor memory storage (PMS) capability, may be be a blend of iOS and OS X (not likely ios maxi or OS X mini, LoL) or OS X built out to become "OS X Touch".

So the naming might seem a bit ridiculous if one were to think that the ipad won't split into a consumer and pro line. But if it does, then there is a method to Apple's naming madness that just isn't apparent yet.
 
MacRazySwe said:
While I must say that I very much like the option of buying the iPad Mini 2 for a great price, rather than only having the Mini 3 as an option, this does cause a very odd product line and I don't think it's right for the long run.
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Apple seem to be doing the same to the Mini than to the iPod touch and the Mac Mini: make it so bad and outdated that noone would purchase it and would go for an iPhone 6 Plus / iPad Air 2 instead.

After all, the iPhone 6 Plus / iPad Air 2 margins are significantly higher than that of the rMini. As was the case with the iPt vs. iPhone case back in 2010 when they started severely dumbing down the iPt.
 
mrwag said:
Apple is going to have to innovate in this space soon. The corporate world is moving past tablets and what I am seeing is more and more people looking towards Surface Pro 3 type devices. Mobile and desktop are converging and this is where the growth will be. People don't want a tablet AND a laptop. They want one device that does both, especially if their computing needs are on the lighter end of the spectrum which is probably where 75% of people are.

My employer is moving our execs and mobile folks towards the Lenovo Tablet 10s and away from their iPads. I'm seeing it in other businesses as well. Someone is going to have to make the iOS world and OSX world play nice, and soon. The writing is on the wall.
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I'm very curious if you're right about this because it's 180 degrees from what I think. Seems to me that the ideal size for a tablet is very different from the ideal size for a laptop, and trying to put them both in one device gives you the best of neither. But, I also feel that way about phablets (including the 6+), and lots of other people like them, so clearly my preferences aren't universal.
 
QCassidy352 said:
I'm very curious if you're right about this because it's 180 degrees from what I think. Seems to me that the ideal size for a tablet is very different from the ideal size for a laptop, and trying to put them both in one device gives you the best of neither. But, I also feel that way about phablets (including the 6+), and lots of other people like them, so clearly my preferences aren't universal.
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Yup. It all depends on how you intend to use them. Some people want a bigger, more powerful tablet to do work on. There are advantages to being able to interact directly with the content on the screen that you can't get on a traditional laptop form factor. Other people just want a tablet to watch movies on and read books, maybe occasionally posting something on Facebook as an aside.

There is no such thing as one size fits all.
 
Renzatic said:
The Pro 2 was a brick, yeah. But the Pro 3 is about as thick as the iPhone 5, and only weighs a bit more than my iPad 3. That old joke about MS taking 2 or 3 tries to get something right definitely applies here.
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800 g (pro 3) versus 650g for ipad 3 that's 22% difference (most of the difference in weight is probably in the battery though).

But, you have to compare to the Air 2 to be fair, that's 437g and much much more powerful than the Ipad 3. The difference between the surface pro 3 and The Ipad 3 was immense, while the difference with Air 2 is not that high!
 
Robert.Walter said:
Was thinking same.

Maybe they want to stay away from "Pro" as it would deemphasize other models for pro use. Makes sense.

Inject "Air" into the naming convention to leave space for growth from the Prosumer space into a true pro space? (Remember Steve's "Business 101" matrix for computers Consumer (Air) and Pro matched with desk and lap.

The matic has had 4 squares and a bridging rectangle ever since the ipad was introduced. Now we see the rise of the Lite mimicing Air name possibly for consumers. (Where Air conveys lightness but Lite sounds like something was left out). Could it be that this rectangle will do a 2 for 1 split into Air and Pro boxes?

I was thinking a new larger ipad might carry the "Maxi" name mirroring the Mini name for the size below the standard ipad. But maybe the Pro wont be a size related thing but a function related thing...

Imagine a pro line of iPads geared much more toward content creation than content consumption. Imagine larger memory, storage, processors, screen and battery in a slightly larger case. Such a pro ipad would be a wholly new category and would fit well with apples move into industry by leveraging ibm.

Such devices would be capable as desktop replacements. Perhaps running a flavor of ios+ allowing split screen or multiple users. Or even more likely with so much processor memory storage (PMS) capability, may be be a blend of iOS and OS X (not likely ios maxi or OS X mini, LoL) or OS X built out to become "OS X Touch".

So the naming might seem a bit ridiculous if one were to think that the ipad won't split into a consumer and pro line. But if it does, then there is a method to Apple's naming madness that just isn't apparent yet.
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are you suggesting apple will ask users to come touch our new OS X maxi pad with PMS capability?

it just sounds so wrong unless apple are on a mission to change the naming of feminine hygiene products.

The 4 square matrix is a good idea Steve used. Its just the naming is getting a bit crappy like no one has control or decent ideas.
 
If it doesn't have Wacom support or more genuine OS X functionality, then there is no point.

If they are chasing Samsung, again, it must have Wacom support.
 
Edd.Dantes said:
If it doesn't have Wacom support or more genuine OS X functionality, then there is no point.

If they are chasing Samsung, again, it must have Wacom support.
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Apple isn't chasing Samsung.
Apple is systematically cutting off Samsung from high profit revenue streams.

The percentage of table customers who know what "Wacom support" means is tiny, the percentage you want it is tinier.
 
Keirasplace said:
800 g (pro 3) versus 650g for ipad 3 that's 22% difference (most of the difference in weight is probably in the battery though).

But, you have to compare to the Air 2 to be fair, that's 437g and much much more powerful than the Ipad 3. The difference between the surface pro 3 and The Ipad 3 was immense, while the difference with Air 2 is not that high!
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I compared it the iPad 3 because that's what I have, and I don't feel like it's heavy at all. That 22% difference between it and the SP3 is pretty slight.

That said, going lighter is never a bad thing, and the Air 2 is a really powerful machine, especially when you consider its weight and size. MS might currently have the best artist's workhorse tablet at the moment, but an iPad Pro with a digtizer would give it a solid run for its money. It'd still need the apps, but when you consider the popularity of iOS, it won't take them long to arrive.
 
gnasher729 said:
The percentage of table customers who know what "Wacom support" means is tiny, the percentage you want it is tinier.
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I think it's funny how a lot of people here talk about Apple is all well known for being the company that provides products people didn't know they want until Apple made it. Then you'll immediately turn around and talk about how something is useless, and Apple won't make it because "people don't care about that".

It's just weird.
 
Zxxv said:
are you suggesting apple will ask users to come touch our new OS X maxi pad with PMS capability?

it just sounds so wrong unless apple are on a mission to change the naming of feminine hygiene products.

The 4 square matrix is a good idea Steve used. Its just the naming is getting a bit crappy like no one has control or decent ideas.
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You may want to read your signature line again. :p
 
Edd.Dantes said:
If they are chasing Samsung, again, it must have Wacom support.
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... and some much more decent drawing apps. Android at least has a workable Inkspace port (albeit not very fast - even my 11-year-old, Win8.1-based TC1100 is faster, at least based on my Samsung Note4-based tests). iOS doesn't even have it. The "serious" iOS pen drawing apps are much-much weaker compared to Inkspace.
 
Menneisyys2 said:
Excuse me? Uselessness for the mainstream customers (because they don't want to use a pen) but for professionals, in no way!

Heck, now that I've hacked Windows 8.1 on and put an SSD in it, my 11-year-old, that is, very-very early HP TC1100 is absolutely usable with Inkspace and other pen apps. I just love using it with the pen.

So much for early Windows tablets being "useless". They didn't sell in large numbers, that's right - nevertheless, they're much-much better at certain areas (drawing etc.) than any other solution.
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(sigh) Must every comment on this forum be taken as a personal attack on one's opinion that must then go on the defensive?
 
Robert.Walter said:
I was thinking a new larger ipad might carry the "Maxi" name mirroring the Mini name for the size below the standard ipad.
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no maxi (i)pads - this is an old gynecological joke that was born the day the iPad was released (and many expected the iTab).
 
Those who think that the 12" iPad is, magically, going to become any more a productivity device than a 9.7" iPad are terribly mistaken. It's going to be pretty much the same device as current iPad Airs with a larger screen and a slight bump in processing power.

Consider the gap between iPad Mini vs. iPad Air, and now apply the same gap up to iPad Air vs iPad Plus.
 
KohPhiPhi said:
Those who think that the 12" iPad is, magically, going to become any more a productivity device than a 9.7" iPad are terribly mistaken. It's going to be pretty much the same device as current iPad Airs with a larger screen and a slight bump in processing power.

Consider the gap between iPad Mini vs. iPad Air, and now apply the same gap up to iPad Air vs iPad Plus.
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Truth is stranger than fiction
 
rgomez said:
Imagine having the power of a laptop... in a laptop size tablet!?!?!? Can't wait for that future and to ditch my MBPr for an iPad Plus Plus tablet.

<sarcasm off>
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You don't have to wait. it's already here and it's called the Microsoft Surface Pro....
 
sracer said:
(sigh) Must every comment on this forum be taken as a personal attack on one's opinion that must then go on the defensive?
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Sorry, I didn't want to imply I considered your comment an attack. I certainly know early (pre-iPad) Tablet PC's didn't sell in large quantities.

This (the fact of their being bad sellers), however, doesn't mean they would have been useless. Far from it. For a given purpose (drawing), there simply aren't better solutions, not even today.

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keyzone72 said:
You don't have to wait. it's already here and it's called the Microsoft Surface Pro....
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I wish it (also) natively ran OS X...
 
I really hope this isn't an iPad Air Plus. The iPad doesn't need a bigger screen, it needs expanded input options.
 
Unless Apple improves iOS and adds more features (like split screen multitasking, guest accounts and stylus support) there is no need for a 12,2'' device with an A9 processor. Even the iPad Air 2, with its amazing hardware improvements, suffers from the non optimized software. And with iOS 8.1.1 my mini 2 stills feels like a blown up iPhone with a lot of software hiccups.

I hoped, that Apple would improve the tablet experience after the iOS 7 launch, but even one year after with iOS8 nothing has changed. Still got the weird icon layout (folders?!) and the wasted space in the NC. If Apple is unwilling to change it, i will stop using iPads and focus on my iPhone and Macbook. Maybe this is the underlying intention. Cripple iPads, so people spend more money on products with a better profit margin.
 
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