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8-Core Mac Pro In January? Displays Too?
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We can all stop waiting and buy the Mac Pro and gut the slower cpu and ebay them. We can then do a group buy of the quads (x5355) and drop them into the socket.
Mac Pro 3.0 - $3298.00 Standard Configs
Mac Pro 2.0 - $2200.00 Standard Configs
Xeon X5355 - $2430.00 2 x $1215.00 (newegg)
Xeon 5130 - $600.00 2 x $300.00 (ebay)
Xeon 5160 - $1400.00 2 x $700.00 (ebay)
Mac Pro 3.0 - $4328
Mac Pro 2.0 - $4030
I think Apple is going to bypass the 65nm Clovertown and go towards the 45nm Peryn. Just the fact the chip will run too hot. Maybe Apple can design some type of water cooling system that can cool the chips faster than air cooling.
We can all stop waiting and buy the Mac Pro and gut the slower cpu and ebay them. We can then do a group buy of the quads (x5355) and drop them into the socket.
Mac Pro 3.0 - $3298.00 Standard Configs
Mac Pro 2.0 - $2200.00 Standard Configs
Xeon X5355 - $2430.00 2 x $1215.00 (newegg)
Xeon 5130 - $600.00 2 x $300.00 (ebay)
Xeon 5160 - $1400.00 2 x $700.00 (ebay)
Mac Pro 3.0 - $4328
Mac Pro 2.0 - $4030
I think Apple is going to bypass the 65nm Clovertown and go towards the 45nm Peryn. Just the fact the chip will run too hot. Maybe Apple can design some type of water cooling system that can cool the chips faster than air cooling.
Glad We Got A Bone Wednesday Can't Do It Yourself Without Stoakley-Seaburg
I don't care if they do or don't bypass Clovertown. Whatever 8 core they release first I will buy. I'm not going to wait for perfection when almost perfection is shipping.
Nice tidbit. Since I was going to wait for Leopard to ship with it anyway, this seems like the logical thing for Apple to do. Waiting impatiently.
Count me OUT of YOUR "WE". Without Stoakley-Seaburg doing the above will be a waste of money + Apple will charge less than that WITH Stoakley-Seaburg. Who here wants to break their warranty (and possibly their brand new Mac Pro) the day they buy a 4 core to do an 8 core upgrade themselves? I reckon nobody.
I don't care if they do or don't bypass Clovertown. Whatever 8 core they release first I will buy. I'm not going to wait for perfection when almost perfection is shipping.
That link mentioned that this rumored redesigned Mac Pro will be smaller and the cooling will direct hot air out of the top.
I don't know about anyone else, but unless they do something really great (and the rumor is actually somehow true) I highly dislike the idea of both of those changes. While I wouldn't mind a smaller tower, I actually really like the current size. If they make it smaller, it seems like it'll potentially hurt its capacity for hard drives, which is a huge negative to a smaller design for me.
Plus, the way I'll have it positioned in my setup, having it direct the hot air out of the top would be just annoying. I've got a few external hard drives that stack on top of each other, and I'd prefer to have them sit on top of the tower to not only save desk space, but also to keep the cables in a smaller area and not as messy.
I don't know... I'm not going to get worried about it until I see what Apple is *actually* going to offer. I hope they don't do something stupid like this, but if they do, I guess I'll have to live with it if I want an octo core.
I don't know about anyone else, but unless they do something really great (and the rumor is actually somehow true) I highly dislike the idea of both of those changes. While I wouldn't mind a smaller tower, I actually really like the current size. If they make it smaller, it seems like it'll potentially hurt its capacity for hard drives, which is a huge negative to a smaller design for me.
Plus, the way I'll have it positioned in my setup, having it direct the hot air out of the top would be just annoying. I've got a few external hard drives that stack on top of each other, and I'd prefer to have them sit on top of the tower to not only save desk space, but also to keep the cables in a smaller area and not as messy.
I don't know... I'm not going to get worried about it until I see what Apple is *actually* going to offer. I hope they don't do something stupid like this, but if they do, I guess I'll have to live with it if I want an octo core.
Elbirth, I agree. I don't think exhaust out the top is a good idea. I have a ton of stuff on top of my current tower. Modem, Wireless router, Vonage box, and some other stuff I can't think of right now. all kinds of stuff I need, but is just ugly and doesnt need to be on the desk!
As for a smaller tower, as long as it has the same capacity of stuff, i'll be fine with it, but if not, that would suck!
Guess we'll all just have to wait and see....... come on Apple, show us your cards already!
As for a smaller tower, as long as it has the same capacity of stuff, i'll be fine with it, but if not, that would suck!
Guess we'll all just have to wait and see....... come on Apple, show us your cards already!
don't know who to ask...
don't know who to ask... i see that there are a lot of video people here.
i am a teacher and a semi - regular poster
i won a tech grant and can choose from the following cams:
which do you like and why?
what would be easy enough for jr. high kids to use?
which might be more reliable? hd? disk?
Sony - Handycam High-Definition Camcorder with 30GB Hard Drive HDR-SR1
30GB hard drive; 10x optical/80x digital zoom; image stabilization; 3.5" widescreen LCD monitor; digital still mode
Sony - Handycam High-Definition DVD Camcorder HDR-UX1
records directly to DL DVD+R, DVD+RW and DVD-R/RW; 10x optical/80x digital zoom; image stabilization; 3.5" widescreen LCD monitor; digital still mode
Sony - High-Definition MiniDV 2.1MP Handycam Camcorder HDR-HC5 10x optical/80x digital zoom; SteadyShot stabilization; real-time HD codec engine; Super NightShot infrared system
Sony - 3.2MP Handycam DVD Camcorder HDR-UX7
Records directly to DL DVD+R, DVD+RW and DVD-R/RW; 10x optical/20x digital zoom; optical image stabilization; 2.7" widescreen LCD monitor; digital still mode
Sony - High-Definition MiniDV 3.2MP Handycam Camcorder HDR-HC7 10x optical/20x digital zoom; SteadyShot optical stabilization; real-time HD codec engine; Super NightShot infrared system
don't know who to ask... i see that there are a lot of video people here.
i am a teacher and a semi - regular poster
i won a tech grant and can choose from the following cams:
which do you like and why?
what would be easy enough for jr. high kids to use?
which might be more reliable? hd? disk?
Sony - Handycam High-Definition Camcorder with 30GB Hard Drive HDR-SR1
30GB hard drive; 10x optical/80x digital zoom; image stabilization; 3.5" widescreen LCD monitor; digital still mode
Sony - Handycam High-Definition DVD Camcorder HDR-UX1
records directly to DL DVD+R, DVD+RW and DVD-R/RW; 10x optical/80x digital zoom; image stabilization; 3.5" widescreen LCD monitor; digital still mode
Sony - High-Definition MiniDV 2.1MP Handycam Camcorder HDR-HC5 10x optical/80x digital zoom; SteadyShot stabilization; real-time HD codec engine; Super NightShot infrared system
Sony - 3.2MP Handycam DVD Camcorder HDR-UX7
Records directly to DL DVD+R, DVD+RW and DVD-R/RW; 10x optical/20x digital zoom; optical image stabilization; 2.7" widescreen LCD monitor; digital still mode
Sony - High-Definition MiniDV 3.2MP Handycam Camcorder HDR-HC7 10x optical/20x digital zoom; SteadyShot optical stabilization; real-time HD codec engine; Super NightShot infrared system
Read Our New Sony HDR-HC7 Thread
NO DOUBT.
Sony - High-Definition MiniDV 3.2MP Handycam Camcorder HDR-HC7 10x optical/20x digital zoom; SteadyShot optical stabilization; real-time HD codec engine; Super NightShot infrared system The above two links take you to our HC7 specific thread here at MacRumors Forums.
Also go read the Sony HDV Info Website for a whole gaggle of HC7 Specific threads. You can download a PDF of the HC7 manual with this link.
And here is the Sony HDR-HC7 Hi-Def Camcorder Community website complete with forum. A collaborative website for HC7 owners and potential buyers.
Rather than muddy up this thread with your questions, please put them to us over at the HC7 thread. Thanks. The whys are many and obvious. All the other choices you pose above are vastly inferior choices to the HC7.
Also Download the Spec Comparison Chart Among Top Sony FX1 - FX7 - HC5 - HC7 HDV Camcorders here.
NO. AVCHD HDD Compression blows and getting that stream to be editable in anything is a nightmare. No FireWire connection from the HDD in the camera to your Macs.don't know who to ask... i see that there are a lot of video people here.
i am a teacher and a semi - regular poster
i won a tech grant and can choose from the following cams:
which do you like and why?
what would be easy enough for jr. high kids to use?
which might be more reliable? hd? disk?
Sony - Handycam High-Definition Camcorder with 30GB Hard Drive HDR-SR1
30GB hard drive; 10x optical/80x digital zoom; image stabilization; 3.5" widescreen LCD monitor; digital still mode
NO. AVCHD Compression blows and getting that stream to be editable in anything is a nightmare. Also will be very limited time recording on very expensive DL Mini DVD+R media.
NO. Lower pixel count sensor is 52% smaller than the HC7 and no manual audio gain so you would not be able to teach multiple audio input techniques.
NO. This is the worst of the lot as it's not even High Definition.
100% YES With Absolute Metaphysical Certainty.
NO DOUBT.Sony - High-Definition MiniDV 3.2MP Handycam Camcorder HDR-HC7 10x optical/20x digital zoom; SteadyShot optical stabilization; real-time HD codec engine; Super NightShot infrared system The above two links take you to our HC7 specific thread here at MacRumors Forums.
Also go read the Sony HDV Info Website for a whole gaggle of HC7 Specific threads. You can download a PDF of the HC7 manual with this link.
And here is the Sony HDR-HC7 Hi-Def Camcorder Community website complete with forum. A collaborative website for HC7 owners and potential buyers.
Rather than muddy up this thread with your questions, please put them to us over at the HC7 thread. Thanks. The whys are many and obvious. All the other choices you pose above are vastly inferior choices to the HC7.
Also Download the Spec Comparison Chart Among Top Sony FX1 - FX7 - HC5 - HC7 HDV Camcorders here.
Blowing hot air
What's the difference between the new mac pro design and rumors about mac updates?
One blows hot air out of the top and the other just blows hot air.
My mac pro 2.66 is on its way.
What's the difference between the new mac pro design and rumors about mac updates?
One blows hot air out of the top and the other just blows hot air.
My mac pro 2.66 is on its way.
What's the difference between the new mac pro design and rumors about mac updates?
One blows hot air out of the top and the other just blows hot air.
My mac pro 2.66 is on its way.
I'm starting to think the same thing!
Congrats on the new 'puter!
The FB_DIMM is much hotter yet !
I'm using the same Mac Pro 2.66 with ATI display option and 4G of FB-DIMM. It's winter now in Hong Kong and I placed my Mac so that its butt is facing my legs. Two columns of warm air blowing from the Power Supply and ATI-Heater exhaust vent respectively. Then a hot air blowing from the main fan vent port. I guessed the FB-DIMM DDR2 RAM are the hottest perhaps, even hotter than the Intel Dual-core Woodies. It keeps my feet warm all the way. Perhaps I have to rotate the Mac by 180 deg. during Summer so that It suck cold air through my leg into the Mac. Not a bad idea, it save me an electric fan or heater plus an air-cleaner !
What's the difference between the new mac pro design and rumors about mac updates?
One blows hot air out of the top and the other just blows hot air.
My mac pro 2.66 is on its way.
I'm using the same Mac Pro 2.66 with ATI display option and 4G of FB-DIMM. It's winter now in Hong Kong and I placed my Mac so that its butt is facing my legs. Two columns of warm air blowing from the Power Supply and ATI-Heater exhaust vent respectively. Then a hot air blowing from the main fan vent port. I guessed the FB-DIMM DDR2 RAM are the hottest perhaps, even hotter than the Intel Dual-core Woodies. It keeps my feet warm all the way. Perhaps I have to rotate the Mac by 180 deg. during Summer so that It suck cold air through my leg into the Mac. Not a bad idea, it save me an electric fan or heater plus an air-cleaner !
Lord Nerdos Came To His Senses And Has Returned To The 8 Core Queue
Good job LN. You made a very smart choice.
Welcome home buddy.
He canceled! lol.What's the difference between the new mac pro design and rumors about mac updates?
One blows hot air out of the top and the other just blows hot air.
My mac pro 2.66 is on its way.
Good job LN. You made a very smart choice. Welcome home buddy.
Waiting for Godot.. er I mean Mac Pro
The funniest thing was that when I got the confirmation of the (now cancelled) order it said "mac pro, cto", which I read as "mac pro, octo" in my excitable state
Good sense triumphed over impatience. I realised that I didn't want to shell out all that yen for a machine that was already several months old. For better or for worse I'm with you guys to the bitter end...
June 11th or April 16th, I'll be counting down the days...
The funniest thing was that when I got the confirmation of the (now cancelled) order it said "mac pro, cto", which I read as "mac pro, octo" in my excitable state
Good sense triumphed over impatience. I realised that I didn't want to shell out all that yen for a machine that was already several months old. For better or for worse I'm with you guys to the bitter end...
June 11th or April 16th, I'll be counting down the days...
I have to say I admire your willpower!
I waited all through December in vain as it turned out for an updated MacPro at MacWorld.
As soon as the Apple site came online again after Steve's keynote, I ordered a refurb MP 2.66. Nice fat discount and they delivered next day (ha! of course I had to wait a damn week for the Dell 24" display ) 4gigs of RAM from Crucial and a couple 500GB HDDs and it is flying!
What a gorgeous machine! It does all I throw at it and I just can't seem to max it out ever. Like a Bentley doing 200MPH certainly the best
product I have ever owned. Sometimes I just open it up to look at the insides Hmmmm. Sounds a bit fetishistic
Anyway, my plan is to "sell and upgrade" when the next Octo MacPros come out.
Personally, I just couldn't face another 6 months of uncertainty!
But first, roll on Adobe CS3 all this Illustrator crashing is maddening.
I waited all through December in vain as it turned out for an updated MacPro at MacWorld.
As soon as the Apple site came online again after Steve's keynote, I ordered a refurb MP 2.66. Nice fat discount and they delivered next day (ha! of course I had to wait a damn week for the Dell 24" display
) 4gigs of RAM from Crucial and a couple 500GB HDDs and it is flying!What a gorgeous machine! It does all I throw at it and I just can't seem to max it out ever. Like a Bentley doing 200MPH certainly the best
product I have ever owned. Sometimes I just open it up to look at the insides Hmmmm. Sounds a bit fetishistic Anyway, my plan is to "sell and upgrade" when the next Octo MacPros come out.
Personally, I just couldn't face another 6 months of uncertainty!
But first, roll on Adobe CS3 all this Illustrator crashing is maddening.
The funniest thing was that when I got the confirmation of the (now cancelled) orderFor better or for worse I'm with you guys to the bitter end...
June 11th or April 16th, I'll be counting down the days...
I'm holding out as well. What is troubling though is the recent news that ATI has fallen behind schedule on their newest video card based on the R600 core. Originally due out this month, it won't see the light of day until MAY now.
This means that Apple is either going to a) push back the Mac Pro refresh timeline to coincide with ATI's new flagship card, b) choose the nVidia 8800GTX or c) leave the outdated and outperformed X1950XT in there.
This means that Apple is either going to a) push back the Mac Pro refresh timeline to coincide with ATI's new flagship card, b) choose the nVidia 8800GTX or c) leave the outdated and outperformed X1950XT in there.
I am still holding on, but I confess, it's getting hard - first there were rumours of machines last November, then January and finally, Feb 20th - but as usual, nothing transpired! :]
I hope they release upgrades soon - even a better quad Xeon would work for me - I can't help thinking the Octo Mac is just a pipe dream at the moment.
Adam
I hope they release upgrades soon - even a better quad Xeon would work for me - I can't help thinking the Octo Mac is just a pipe dream at the moment.
Adam
......and I don't even want the oco-core. I want it to lower the prices of the quad core configurations.
I can see it now..... Brand new Mac Pro with an nVidia 8800GTX in there, additional RAM from Crucial, my 74 gig Raptor, 500 gig Seagate, and 400 gig Western Digital from my PC, Leopard, iLife/iWork 07, and the new version of Logic.
I cannot wait !
! I need to figure out what display to go with. Right now I am running two Dell 1900FP 19" LCD's. These guys are a little long in the tooth, with 25ms response time. i want a nice 23 or 24 inch for the Mac Pro, and would take one of my 19's and put it in portait mode for web viewing. The other 19" will be sold. I'm thinking the Dell 2407 might fit the bill. Supposedly the revision A04's that are hitting the street now are S-IPS. I heard some rumors about new display tech we should be seeing industry-wide. I think it has something to do with LED backlighting or something. But who knows when they will come out and how much they will co$t. Certainly not going to buy an ACD. Apple charges WAY too much for their displays.
/end rambling
I have a 2407WFP running as a secondary display on my 15" MacBook Pro and absolutely love it. I very highly recommend this LCD.
Once I get a Mac Pro (hopefully 8-core, but might end up going with a quad core if the octo is much higher in cost than the current quads) I'll be getting 2 more to give me a triple display setup. It's gonna be great
My 4 Screen Quad G5 Setup
Far Left: Home Screen with Menu Bar 1200 wide x 1600 high Dell 2001FP Rotated thanks to the ATI Radeon X1900 I added that supports rotation that Dell monitors so easily do.
Left Center: 2560 wide x 1600 high Dell 3005FPW also running on the ATI add in.
Right Center: 1920 wide x 1200 high Dell 2405FPW
Far Right: 1920 wide x 1080 high Samsung LN-S4095D 8ms LCD HDTV DVI to VGA adaptor to VGA input on Samsung leaving both HDMI inputs still free for more later this year - like from the 8 core Mac Pro for example.
Once you get used to having 4 screens, one of which is a native 1920 x 1080P capable HDTV, you'll NEVER go back to one or two.
Spoke with Samsung today and the plan is for the T series ('07) coming out this Summer to be 6ms latency and Auto Progressive up convert as the 1080i broadcasts hit the tuner. Sweet.
Better still I wonder who will be first to put two ATSC tuners inside with TwinView and PiP like the good old days.
I love my 4 screen setup on the G5 Quad:
Far Left: Home Screen with Menu Bar 1200 wide x 1600 high Dell 2001FP Rotated thanks to the ATI Radeon X1900 I added that supports rotation that Dell monitors so easily do.
Left Center: 2560 wide x 1600 high Dell 3005FPW also running on the ATI add in.
Right Center: 1920 wide x 1200 high Dell 2405FPW
Far Right: 1920 wide x 1080 high Samsung LN-S4095D 8ms LCD HDTV DVI to VGA adaptor to VGA input on Samsung leaving both HDMI inputs still free for more later this year - like from the 8 core Mac Pro for example.
Once you get used to having 4 screens, one of which is a native 1920 x 1080P capable HDTV, you'll NEVER go back to one or two.
Spoke with Samsung today and the plan is for the T series ('07) coming out this Summer to be 6ms latency and Auto Progressive up convert as the 1080i broadcasts hit the tuner. Sweet.
Better still I wonder who will be first to put two ATSC tuners inside with TwinView and PiP like the good old days.
Once you get used to having 4 screens, one of which is a native 1920 x 1080P capable HDTV, you'll NEVER go back to one or two.
Does the Apple paradigm of having a single menu bar for all apps start to get annoying with that much screen real estate? Seems like it would take a while to move your mouse all the way across.
Even with just a single 1920x1200, I sometimes think the Windows model of a menu bar right there on each application window makes more sense.
Kensington Turbo Mouse Pro's MouseWorks Saves The Day
No. I am a 22 year long user of Kensington Turbo Mice. I have MouseWorks Fine Tuning "When Moving the Mouse Quickly" preference set on maximum "Fast". So all I have to do is make a major spin of the Cue Ball to the left to get back to the menu bar. Plus I know a lot of keystroke shortcuts so I don't need the menus as much as some may.
I love my 4 screen setup on the G5 Quad:
Far Left: Home Screen with Menu Bar 1200 wide x 1600 high Dell 2001FP Rotated thanks to the ATI Radeon X1900 I added that supports rotation that Dell monitors so easily do.
Left Center: 2560 wide x 1600 high Dell 3005FPW also running on the ATI add in.
Right Center: 1920 wide x 1200 high Dell 2405FPW
Far Right: 1920 wide x 1080 high Samsung LN-S4095D 8ms LCD HDTV DVI to VGA adaptor to VGA input on Samsung leaving both HDMI inputs still free for more later this year - like from the 8 core Mac Pro for example.
Once you get used to having 4 screens, one of which is a native 1920 x 1080P capable HDTV, you'll NEVER go back to one or two.
Spoke with Samsung today and the plan is for the T series ('07) coming out this Summer to be 6ms latency and Auto Progressive up convert as the 1080i broadcasts hit the tuner. Sweet.
Better still I wonder who will be first to put two ATSC tuners inside with TwinView and PiP like the good old days.
wow, that sounds like a really cool setup! When I first saw the Mac Pros announced and saw that I could get 2 video cards directly from Apple and have hookups for 4 displays, I immediately considered four 24" displays... however, I like the idea of having it more uniform on either side of me (one in the center with one on either side... I could go with five displays, but having 2 on either side would be a bit much
)The 24" Dell is an awesome monitor and seems to be the sweet spot for comfort level for me. The 30" is great, but feels a bit too big for my daily work, which is internet-based. Right now my 15" MBP screen and 24" Dell are both completely full for 8 hours a day with almost no desktop showing through (I have 4 Firefox windows--each with anywhere from 3-10+ tabs--, a chat window, textedit, and Soulver (calculator) showing at all times because these are the necessities for my job. Having 3 screens would help me feel MUCH less cramped, but right now I'm thinking having a fourth would just be overkill and not get used enough to warrant the cost.
Of course, that's subject to change once I have the 3-screen setup running
I'd love a 30" for when I'm post processing photographs, but for the time being that's just a hobby.