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Adobe Launches Flash Player 10.1 Prerelease Build

German said:
That is not true. You can't use PureVideo/UVD with OpenCL.
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There seems to be this great misconception that OpenCL is the solution over using UVD/PureVideo.

It has already been touched on before in this thread too. :rolleyes:

I'm still waiting for someone to find the QuicktimeX documentation that allows you to interact with the PureVideo hardware. I've seen it mentioned at least twice already.
 
coolbits said:
So if there are no secrets, where can i get full spec of ATI and NVIDIA chips to write a proper driver?
As far as i know NO ONE is able to make a proper driver but themselves and they do it only for windows so far.
ATI once said they will opensource for their driver, did they do it?
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ATI release absolutely rubbish binary blobs incredibly slowly, and their hardware specs....
NVIDIA release great binary blobs, no specs, but have a rock solid (supported) VDPAU for ages now.
ATI oss drivers are pretty damn good on <R600 hardware, and linux video in general is a pretty exciting place atm
Yes.

Try running a couple of full bitrate 1080p h264s on a mac pro in osx, then try it on a puny atom based board (with a $20 9400) running any linux distro - then come back and tell us how great osx/opencl runs with modern media.
 
Good news for Powerbook, iBook and Powermac users.

Flash 10.1 WILL be available for PPC, as well. Adobe confirmed that in the readme file. :)
 
German said:
How do you explain that the GeForce 9400M is able to use purevideo (Quicktime)? :rolleyes:
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<sarcasm>Oh, that is because the magic OpenCL pixies do it, isn't it?</sarcasm> :p ;)

Apple has a *ton* of cash it could throw at this if it wanted to support hardware *it* itself chose to build its computers. NVidia and ATI worked enough with Apple, and evidence for that is clear, no need for conspiracy theories.

Don't get me wrong, OS X is my preferred OS by a mile, and you'd have to tear my Macbook and Mac Pro from my cold dead hands; but Apple could and should be doing much more to support its own premium priced products[1].

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[1] and it does annoy me when Apple marketing trumpet "hardware accelerated" video playback as some amazing new feature of Snow Leopard, which turns out to have small print caveats bigger than the Grand Canyon! ;)
 
nontroppo said:
<sarcasm>Oh, that is because the magic OpenCL pixies do it, isn't it?</sarcasm> :p ;)
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<sarcasm>It must be the magic OpenCL in Mac OS 10.5</sarcasm> :D

Don't get me wrong, OS X is my preferred OS by a mile, and you'd have to tear my Macbook and Mac Pro from my cold dead hands; but Apple could and should be doing much more to support its own premium priced products.
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Me too (till now)! :)
But that doesn't make me a blind fanboy who is searching always excuses for apples faults.
 
Im no blind fanboy or something... i just dont see the point here...
Why wouldnt apple support all harware capabilities if they have all the specs... It makes no sense.
Only thing that makes sense is that they dont have all the data from gpu makers... and they dont give the data because they fear that competition finds out something that they dont want...
 
coolbits said:
Im no blind fanboy or something... i just dont see the point here...
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You are not?

coolbits said:
Why wouldnt apple support all harware capabilities if they have all the specs... It makes no sense.
Only thing that makes sense is that they dont have all the data from gpu makers... and they dont give the data because they fear that competition finds out something that they dont want...
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So you didn't explain how Quicktime is able to use video acceleration of the 9400m? ;)


Or can you give an explanation for this:
"Mac OS X also includes MPEG-2 acceleration capabilities, but Apple has chosen not to expose that API for use outside their own DVD-Video player application."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Video_Motion_Compensation


Or can you give an explanation, why XNU, the kernel, is not able to use NUMA and the Mac Pro (with two CPUs) and the Xserve are losing till 30 percent of performance, compared to linux and windows?
Because apple has no specs or what? :rolleyes:
http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meld...o-und-Xserve-weiterhin-mangelhaft-755713.html

http://www.heise.de/kiosk/archiv/ct/2009/13/156_kiosk
 
You should ask apple for that i have no idea and just asking...

They maybe use shaders to accelerate video for dvd player, and thats why the dont open the api?
 
It would be helpful if everyone who feels strongly about this to either submit feedback to Apple or file bug reports.

They'll get closed as duplicates, but they'll get pushed higher up the list.

AppleMatt
 
AppleMatt said:
It would be helpful if everyone who feels strongly about this to either submit feedback to Apple or file bug reports.

They'll get closed as duplicates, but they'll get pushed higher up the list.

AppleMatt
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Good idea. In fact I have just dropped Apple a line about their stupid tactics.
 
what they really need to do

So Adobe isn't supporting Mac OS/X or OS/X is being silly and won't open up to Adobe. Will someone out there get with it and solve this already? It's hurting us the consumer and no one else in this apparent pissing match.

But what Adobe really ought to do is get the A*SE in gear and build a real 64-bit version of flash.

Dummies!
 
AidenShaw said:
They're called paragraphs.
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Paragraphs you say?

5-20 word paragraphs?:

AidenShaw said:
It depends on what you needl.

For a 16-thread 8-core workstation, the Mac Pro is reasonably priced.

If that's what you need.

For an 8-thread 4-core system, just about any Core i7 system will be a much better deal than a Xeon system.

The Core i5/Core i7 Imac, though - unless you need another good 27" monitor is not a good deal.
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AidenShaw said:
I thought about that when this first came up.

If I'm in a phone conversation, the handset is against my head.

If I'm surfing, I have the keyboard open, typing URLs and search queries and stuff.

Does it matter that I can't have both radios running? Not so much as I see it.
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Perhaps, for you, they genuinely do suffice as paragraphs:

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Nonetheless, a rather lame attempt at justification, as usual, Hypocrites.
 
DMann said:
Paragraphs you say?

5-20 word paragraphs?:






Perhaps, for you, they genuinely do suffice as paragraphs:

jill2.jpg



Nonetheless, a rather lame attempt at justification, as usual, Hypocrites.
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Post of the day!

I spit my drink out when I read this post.
 
DMann said:
Paragraphs you say?

5-20 word paragraphs?:
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Yes, of course. A dictionary definition of "paragraph" is

A distinct division of written or printed matter that begins on a new, usually indented line, consists of one or more sentences, and typically deals with a single thought or topic or quotes one speaker's continuous words.
http://www.tfd.com/?osearch&word=paragraph
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So yes, if there's a conceptual or contextual change between sentences, I'll make the new sentence a new paragraph even if it makes single sentence paragraphs.

But, on the other hand, a DMann hard-wrapped double-spaced post has no rhyme or reason to the blank lines, for example:

DMann said:
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It's nice to have, as options go - hopefully, eventually, something of the likes of HTML5 Mobile or Silverlight Mobile, will displace

Flash altogether, in the not so distant future. This would be a highly welcome evolution, for all.
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What's with "will displace ¶Flash altogether"? Paragraphs starting in the middle of sentences? It's bizarre. Some time ago I would have wondered if your paper card had run out of space, and you had to put another card into the card punch. But I doubt that you have a card reader hooked up to your Iphone (is there an app for that?).... ;)

Cute graphic, and it let you turn my question into another ad hominem attack.
 
AidenShaw said:
Yes, of course. A dictionary definition of "paragraph" is

So yes, if there's a conceptual or contextual change between sentences, I'll make the new sentence a new paragraph even if it makes single sentence paragraphs.

But, on the other hand, a DMann hard-wrapped double-spaced post has no rhyme or reason to the blank lines, for example:

What's with "will displace ¶Flash altogether"? Paragraphs starting in the middle of sentences? It's bizarre. Some time ago I would have wondered if your paper card had run out of space, and you had to put another card into the card punch. But I doubt that you have a card reader hooked up to your Iphone (is there an app for that?).... ;)

Cute graphic, and it let you ignore my question again.
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I already answered your question:

AidenShaw said:
Why do all of your posts come out with double-spaced hard-wrapped lines?
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DMann said:
I've been posting using an iPhone with a 3.5" screen.

What's your excuse?
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Let's find out what Hypocrites is referring to:

AidenShaw said:
It depends on what you needl.

For a 16-thread 8-core workstation, the Mac Pro is reasonably priced. conceptual change, really?

If that's what you need. another conceptual change, really? This is not even a complete sentence. (see Fun with Dick and Jane)

For an 8-thread 4-core system, just about any Core i7 system will be a much better deal than a Xeon system.conceptual change, really?

The Core i5/Core i7 Imac, though - unless you need another good 27" monitor is not a good deal.
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And you claim that your hard-wrapped double-spaced fragments are paragraphs? :p This is simply priceless. Your hypocritical chasms grow deeper and deeper.

Look up, Aiden, up.

Up, up, up.
 
DMann said:
I already answered your question...
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Then what's wrong with an Iphone such that you can't type in proper sentences without false paragraphs showing up?

And, congratulations on maintaining your quantity of posting and cross links using a 3.5" screen without an actual keyboard or mouse. Quite impressive.

ps: "If that's what you need." is a complete sentence - subject, verb, object....
 
AidenShaw said:
Then what's wrong with an Iphone such that you can't type in proper sentences without false paragraphs showing up?

And, congratulations on maintaining your quantity of posting and cross links using a 3.5" screen without an actual keyboard or mouse. Quite impressive.

ps: "If that's what you need." is a complete sentence - subject, verb, object....
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I find it easier to proof-read when the lines of text are shorter.

Yes, Cut & Paste happens to be a wonderful thing.

"If that's what you need." This is a dependent clause, as it is not a complete thought.

ps: It is an iPhone, not an Iphone.
 
bnerd said:
Again .. that's your OPINION .. and I still stick to mine no matter what you say .. Flash is the most installed technology in the world on over 95% of all computer .. You're the one who has to argue that down .. because that's not an OPINON .. it's a FACT

like I said before .. LIVE WITH IT .. lol
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May I remind you that all things are constantly changing... Everything is transitory. Nothing is the same even from moment to moment as it has certainly already changed even if not by an observable amount. :eek::);)
 
DMann said:
"If that's what you need." This is a dependent clause, as it is not a complete thought.
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I think that you're right here - I used the paragraph break as a "pause" to emphasize the clause.


DMann said:
I find it easier to proof-read when the lines of text are shorter.
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You have to laugh at the irony (or is it hypocrisy) of criticizing a use of a dependent clause, when the critic inserts random paragraph breaks in his text to make it "easier to proofread". ;)
 
BRLawyer said:
Well, crap for crap I felt obliged to test it; and I must say that performance does seem to improve. On my iMac described below I've got the following to report:

Before update: average 100% CPU (out of 200% possible), 16fps average;
After update: average 100/110% CPU (out of 200% possible), 40fps average.
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I am certainly glad for you over that improvement. Now just to compare apples and oranges... I have the same machine as you (iMac 2.8 C2D 4Gb 500G):

Under Win 7 with update applied:
51% CPU (100% possible) (shown in task manager)
58.73 fps (shown in results page)

the difference in performance on both platforms is interesting. If I may ask what browser and version did you use for your report? (I used firefox 3.5.5 for this test) TYIA
 
AidenShaw said:
I think that you're right here - I used the paragraph break as a "pause" to emphasize the clause.
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No you didn't, The sentence preceding it is clearly punctuated by a period:

AidenShaw said:
It depends on what you needl.

For a 16-thread 8-core workstation, the Mac Pro is reasonably priced. (end of sentence)

If that's what you need. (dependent clause; not a complete sentence)

For an 8-thread 4-core system, just about any Core i7 system will be a much better deal than a Xeon system.

The Core i5/Core i7 Imac, though - unless you need another good 27" monitor is not a good deal.
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Claiming that this was due to a paragraph break is pure nonsense, as much as it is a truly pathetic attempt at saving face.

AidenShaw said:
You have to laugh at the irony (or is it hypocrisy) of criticizing a use of a dependent clause, when the critic inserts random paragraph breaks in his text to make it "easier to proofread". ;)
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Yes, the irony of it all - since when does a mere shift of register constitute the end of a continuing sentence within a double-spaced environment? No period was used, and therefore, the sentence continued all the way to the period.

Ironically, with each of your flawed efforts of imposing your own faults onto others, your own ineptitude shines through, only that much more profoundly.
 
AidenShaw said:
And, congratulations on maintaining your quantity of posting and cross links using a 3.5" screen without an actual keyboard or mouse. Quite impressive.
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Real men who need "actual keyboards" on their phones don't use mice...they use actual keyboards. Duh.

P.S. I can't wait until Dell makes a touchscreen phone with a virtual keyboard so virtual keyboards will be credible. You too I bet?
 
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