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Apple Tablet Delayed with OLED Model Planned? 3G Possible?

Blah blah blah.

At this rate, I'll be getting an Entourage eDGe ($500, 10" dual-pane tablet) before a useful Apple Tablet comes out.

Heck, at this rate, I'll be able to upgrade to the MOTO AMP 10 (due in 2011) before an Apple Tablet comes out. (for those who decide to look that up, Moto != Motorola)

OLED? LCD? blah. Give me a PixelQi hybrid LCD/e-paper display.
 
slu said:
Here's where you are wrong. There are not a lot of people just like you who sketch every day. Not a lot of people in the sense that Apple will mass produce a product that meets your exact needs.

I am not saying that a tablet is not coming and I am not saying you won't be able to sketch on it, although I am skeptical on both. But if there is a tablet, sketching will be an afterthought feature and in no way will be a primary selling point of the device. In fact, it would surprise me if the Apple even provided a stylus and software for this feature and did not leave it up a 3rd party. Assuming 3rd party software is allowed on the device.
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I can more likely see the niche demographic of this product being graphic designers as opposed to people who want to read a lot.
 
Stately said:
I can more likely see the niche demographic of this product being graphic designers as opposed to people who want to read a lot.
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If that is the case then it will never go to market. Apple does not make consumer hardware for niche markets. They make hardware for the broadest audience possible.
 
peterdevries said:
If I ever need someone to think INSIDE the box, I will be sure to send you a PM..
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Feel free to send me a PM anytime. Also feel free to tell me why I should be excited yet by what we've heard. It seems that a lot of pople want this as of yet un named/unseen device to have different capabilities. I know what I want from it; just haven't seen it yet.

Tom
 
corinna said:
A 9” or 10” screen is a little too big for what I’d ask for in a tablet. The 6” screen (same size as the Kindle) would be about right. I could stuff it in my purse or book bag easily.
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Remember that the Kindle has a lot of "wasted" space on it, the keyboard and other controls, and a very large bezel area. An Apple tablet would most certainly be a solely touch-based device and have no physical keyboard, thus the surface would be almost entirely screen, and even with a larger screen the size of the device could still be roughly that of a Kindle. Even with a 10" screen it could be about the size of a large paperback book (trade paperback).
 
I'm still interested in the tablet device, as I don't have a laptop but am looking for something to eventually fill the void. A tablet with a stylus would be really nice to use for my college classes, it could replace all textbooks and even paper notes. Plus the tablet would be nice and light to hold.
 
This forum is absolutely hilarious. Some various thoughts after reading much of this thread:

PixelQi does not yet exist. They claim to be starting production next month. They also claim that some unnamed company will be shipping large quantities of final product containing their screens in 2009. They must be magic!!

Reading on LCD screens....try turning the blinkety-blank brightness down you geniuses! And alter the contrast in some way. Most people have been running TVs and computer monitors at brightness levels of twice, thrice, more times as high as they should. For decades. And then in the late 2000s, some are finally noticing that it gives you a headache? I can read on my Touch for hours with no trouble. Why? The brightness is near the left end of the bar and I do not use hard black text on hard white background. (yes, I admit a larger screen would be nicer for reading, but cost is a factor)

12 times "2-3" does NOT equal 48. :rolleyes: Nor does battery power add up simply like that, anyway.

Laptop-sized or smaller LED screens are still LCD, but with LED backlights. Today. Maybe in a couple years that will change.

Buying ebooks and printing them out to read...Brilliant!! :D
 
If the iSlate was nothing more than an iPhone with a bigger screen and battery, then what could possibly be the holdup?

OLED is one possibility, but then as an earlier poster said, its impractical in sunlight, so that would seem to rule it out completely.

Software is another possibility, perhaps they felt the need for yet another platform ie. OSX variant. Again, this would seem to be overkill.

Or maybe there is a a completely radical hardware platform change as well. But again, why the delay, what applications would require such a radical hardware change that is at the limits of development capability and thus requires Apple to "wait" until something is more affordable or could be developed. EDIT: handwriting recognition that actually works perfectly would be one, but AFAIK it doesn't exist yet, and if it did, we would have heard about it.

Licensing problems could delay it, for example movie or ebook deals. But this delay does seem extreme even for that. Apple has been dealing with the movie guys for a long time already.

My conclusion is that the delay is because there is insufficient market for such a device, and while the margin might be enough to recoup development costs even with such a small market, it would weaken the iPhone brand and be a world of hurt from software support perspective (assuming iPhone OS).

Apple, I need to replace my iPhone 2G and current 3GS is not a compelling upgrade. I want something to impress my friends and give me back that feeling of being at the cutting edge. Also, I want you to fix the bluetooth stack so I can have an external keyboard. If that means buying an iSlate, so be it. But release something revolutionary again, please!
 
corinna said:
A 9” or 10” screen is a little too big for what I’d ask for in a tablet. The 6” screen (same size as the Kindle) would be about right.
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I'm exactly the opposite.

What I want in a tablet computer is exactly a 9" or 10" device. 6" is too small.

Note: you can fit a 10" tablet in a 6" x 9" device. That's not terribly big.

Two good examples:
The Moto AMP 10 (slate tablet)
Entourage eDGe (portfolio tablet, sort of like the OLPC2 and/or Microsoft Courier)

And my own thoughts/desires:
My blog post of a tablet wishlist

(as for price, the Entourage eDGe is going to be under $500, available in February)
 
fobfob said:
That moto looks pretty sweet, but the entourage edge looks very '80s with its huge borders and game-and-watch dual screens. I hope it has donkey kong!
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The upside of the entourage edge: available in February, and can save power by only using the epaper display. the downside: yeah, large bezels/borders, and a little clunky looking.

The downside to the moto: not available until 2011.
 
WardC said:
No tablet - I want a pocket-sized iPhone-like device with a fullsize usable keyboard and pointing device, essentially an Apple netbook. I see the tablet right now as an oversized iPhone with handwriting recognition that MIGHT run a flavor of OS X instead of iPhone OS...it's still not a power machine for surfing the web while on the run. That's what I want. Something you can put in your pocket, but it's gotta have a keyboard.
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Full size keyboard...in your pocket? How big are your pockets?
 
Alternate Power Source

Too many rumors spoil the broth.
If there's no end to the the rumors by way of a product then there are alternatives being released in the near future...
:rolleyes:

The spouts by Jaffray for the sake of investors is quite tiring as well...
The firms simple goal is to extract more money from institutional investors and pump it into Apple stock to push the price up without a scarab of product...

Is it Gene or Herman 'Munster' ? The way he babbles to talk up Apple stock it seems more the later... :D


- "Oh goodie! another rumor for investors to push the stock up!!!!!"... Munster Spouts
 

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Don't know about this

At prices like that it would suggest a divice with functionality similar to a laptop but with full multitouch capabilities. At 2000 sounds a bit expensive but at least it has full functionality and may probably run PRO Apps like Aperture, Logic and others. May attract a good number of buyers looking for the full multitouch experience. Heck you can buy 2 macbooks for that.

If these devices are basically overgrown iPhones, I just do not see the price of 2000 as being something that most people would want.

I have to believe this one set of reports are false, screens are too close, technologies are different which is not likely something Apple would like to do, and prices are astronomical, limiting the market for the device.

Anywhere near the 1000 mark I would be interested in a laptop replacement, below that say 599 to 799 I would be looking at an iPhone replacement with a bigger screen for books, surfing, etc.

I do not think these rumors are close to reality, Apple has better sense than that.
Expecialy in the current econimic situation.
 
EagerDragon said:
At prices like that it would suggest a divice with functionality similar to a laptop but with full multitouch capabilities. At 2000 sounds a bit expensive but at least it has full functionality and may probably run PRO Apps like Aperture, Logic and others.
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No it won't....in fact, it won't even come close to running any of those programs. The cpu won't have the power, nor the thermal capabilities.

I think people will be shocked at how UNDERPOWERED it will be.

If my MBP's CPU can hit 95*C+ just playing a flash game with the fans set at 2500 RPM, this tablet with no fan will literally melt, then catch on fire if it tried to load a youtube video.
 
One Step Forward, Two Steps Back...

At the current rate the gen 4 iPhone will be out before the Slate...
My cash will go to that instead of a new product...
:rolleyes:
 
Video Input Please!

I hope Apple puts the mini port video input jack on the tablet so I can use it as a portable monitor for my Mac Mini! That would be cool, especially if it's an LED LCD screen, which are very light, thin and power thrifty.
 
zw-gator said:
No it won't....in fact, it won't even come close to running any of those programs. The cpu won't have the power, nor the thermal capabilities.

I think people will be shocked at how UNDERPOWERED it will be.

If my MBP's CPU can hit 95*C+ just playing a flash game with the fans set at 2500 RPM, this tablet with no fan will literally melt, then catch on fire if it tried to load a youtube video.
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Yeah, but never underestimate the suckiness of flash. It's a resource hog.
 
zw-gator said:
No it won't....in fact, it won't even come close to running any of those programs. The cpu won't have the power, nor the thermal capabilities.

I think people will be shocked at how UNDERPOWERED it will be.

If my MBP's CPU can hit 95*C+ just playing a flash game with the fans set at 2500 RPM, this tablet with no fan will literally melt, then catch on fire if it tried to load a youtube video.
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Would be nice if you had some internal info to share with us. But I think you misunderstood my point. My point was about the price and what people would expect at the price points being stated by this rumor.

What I was saying is that I do not think it would be marketable at those price ranges if the device is basically an iPod/iphone larger beast. That at prices like that (the same as two MB) could only (in my mind) be associated with a multi-touch full laptop replacement entity.

The key here is that the prices outlined in this report are probably flat out wrong.

I expect a single sized tablet in the 500 to 800 price range and at that price, I like you expect it to be more of an overgrown iPhone. Which would be nice for video and reading and surfing. With WIFI, 3G and a bluetooth headset and I am in road-warrior heaven.

I currently have 3 - 3G iPhones that are up for replacement next summer, replacing one with a tablet (assuming it has phone features) would be something that would interest me, no I am not going to put it to my face!!!! I use an ear piece.
 
OLED's rule

I would gladly pitch my Macbook Pro and my iPhone for new ones with OLED screens. If the added cost isn't huge, I'll consider a tablet with one. Of course it all depends on what you can really do with it. One example is a digital storage oscilloscope.
 
It seems to me that there will be a "iTablet" and "iTablet Pro", just like with MacBooks. Seems logical to me.
 
mytdave said:
Oh MikeDTyke, let's do some basic math. I'm going to just use one figure so we don't have to do this twice, and say the new device would have battery capacity 2.5x that of iPhone.
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That's the problem, this is basic math, just not based in reality.

Features where screen size would draw extra power (say 50% more),
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Yeah right, go lookup the current draw on a 10" display compared with that of a 3.5" display before you come back here.
you take the previous figure, less 50% in screen drain, times 2.5 more battery capacity:

Internet use:
Up to 5 hours on 3G : (5-50%)*2.5= 6.25hrs
Up to 9 hours on Wi-Fi : (9-50%)*2.5= 11.25hrs
Video playback: Up to 10 hours : (10-50%)*2.5= 12.5hrs

Features where screen is irrelevant:

Talk time:
Up to 12 hours on 2G : 12*2.5= 30hrs
Up to 5 hours on 3G : 5*2.5= 12.5hrs
Standby time: Up to 300 hours : 300*2.5= 750hrs!
Audio playback: Up to 30 hours : 30*2.5= 75hrs!
This is NOT a PHONE, ejit.
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None of these features require any extra processing power, so 3 unused cores could be shut down. Apps like word processing and spreadsheets take even less power than surfing the 'net. When you want to do heavier duty processing like iPhoto, iMovie or GarageBand, you're likely going to have it docked anyway - touch is great, and complimentary, but doesn't replace a good keyboard & mouse.
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The point of having the cores is to use them. If they are there, they'll be used, negating any advantage you think shutting them down bring to battery life.
As for your response about applications, Apple has already brought multi-touch to MacOS, they just don't make any Macs with a touch screen, yet. The only trick left here is to get apps to run on ARM.
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That's one massive trick, you're talking about hundreds of thousands of man hours just to port the apps apple already develops on xcode in a 'portable' manner.
Don't count Rosetta out - people never thought something like it would be possible in the first place. And as for LLVM, that in conjunction with GCD has provided Apple with a good INCREASE in performance.
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Okay just stop it, its not funny any longer, you are just driveling BS now.
Now, you did notice that I said developers would have to recompile, and release a new version to something like the App Store, right? One would presume you'd have to buy a new copy.
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It's not just a recompile, unless you repeat the error of MS a decade ago, it's a complete redesign of every UI, with bigger icons, no concept of a right click, the adoption of gestures and on top of that you've got to get all your partners to adopt it too. Better and more realistic to start from scratch, which is what they did with the iPhone and its what they'll adopt for the tablet. Anyone who wants their desktop app on a tablet is going to have to spend a huge amount of effort to re-engineer the majority of their product to bring it across. ITS NOT A SIMPLE RECOMPILE!!!!!!!!
Companies the likes of MS & Adobe were told to get their butts on XCode 8 years ago. Not Apple's problem if they didn't listen.
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It is their problem and continues to be so, they can't force a 3rd parties schedule.
Another developer will come along and fill the gap. Case in point - I no longer use Photoshop, instead I've switched to Pixelmator, which has all the features I've ever needed from Photoshop, and runs better.
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Weekend photoshopper
The iPhone platform already runs MacOS X, Apple has just left a lot of features out. They need to port the rest of it over for the tablet.
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They don't, and won't
Developers would need to port apps (or write new ones) just like they have done for iPhone/Touch.
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Exactly what i've been saying all along.... You really are not that bright. ;)
 
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