If Apple is infringing (and it looks like at least some of their products are) I hope they get smacked down.
Can someone clarify if the ITC can move even if the case is still pending in court?
Proof?...since Apple acknowledge that Nokia offered licensing based on $$$ only not once but twice....
Apple owns a tons of patents around interfacing with the iPods/iPhones, touch screens, etc...
That's true only for the US and only for "design patents" but not for "technological patents" which is a big difference. Most of the iPhone related patents is just how it looks but not how it works. On the other hand Nokia has tons of technological patents in the US.
To best of my knowledge Apple also wasn't granted its patent for the iPhone in Europe for which they applied in 2004. Unlike in the US the EU patent office checks if every patent application contains some new state of the art technology. In Europe there were at least two other granted patents that included a touchscreen phone. One was by Sony and one was by HP IIRC. I read an interview back in 2007 with a guy from the European patents office in which he said that he was quite sceptical if the iPhone patent application contains a new, "state of the art" device description. So far no patent has been granted to Apple in the EU regarding the iPhone.
That is what they are supposed to do but they have frequently awarded patents which had clear prior art or was completely obvious.Also, you are incorrect - the USPTO does check if every patent application claims something new and nonobvious.
That is what they are supposed to do but they have frequently awarded patents which had clear prior art or was completely obvious.
Also, you are incorrect - the USPTO does check if every patent application claims something new and nonobvious.
You have said all of that completely missing what caused this fiasco to begin with, Apple not paying for the tech that Nokia helped develop.
Nokia haven't done this on a whim, they got done over by Apple and Apple are now under pressure from a company that heleped develop and mature modern mobile communication.
Why do people keep forgetting the reason this all started?![]()
Nokia were demanding unfair royalties AND cross licensing of Apple patents. Apple told Nokia to bugger off. Since the iPhone launched Nokia has been in a downward spiral and their profits have dropped 50%.
Nokia cannot afford the R & D to get a product out there with a strong OS and hardware to compete in the market so they thought, sod it, Apple make phones and have all these cool multi touch patents and OS interface patents. If we sue them then we can get cash and design patents woooot!!
Apple were looking to pay a similar license fee to Nokia that they pay to other license holders (Apple have license deals with hundreds of other companies in relation to Apple products, so this is not new to them). Nokia were bleeding money so looked to Apple as a super cash cow from god and wanted to milk em dry.
And given the current patent system Nokia is within their rights to demand whatever they want.
In other words this is a hissy fight from Nokia... It's making them look bad all over, because something Apple has over the rest is their apparent "Charisma" towards people, and people in the end are the ones who buy the product.
Nokia were demanding unfair royalties
Nokia will get some cash and Apple can sell their iPhones.
Nokia has strong grounds on the GSM patents.
I agree with strong hardware patents.. but software patents that cover such a broad range are unjust.
Anyhow, both Nokia and Apple are big companies, and both have ammo to fire. Can see the Apple complying with the royalties for the GSM patents agreed as long as they don't include all of the iPhone patents.
Big game of chess now - and Apple really isn't in a good position to start bargaining.
quotes Apple CEO Steve Jobs as having claimed that the company has "always been shameless about stealing great ideas."
Isn't this quote from Steve Jobs about 25 years old? I think it is older than the quote in my sig...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU
No, this is from 1996 when Jobs was in charge of NeXT, Inc. It was in reference to the Macintosh platform and how its development used ideas from Apple employees who were 'musicians, poets, artists', etc. and who also happened to be the best computer engineers in the industry. Nokia completely took the statement out of context.
Whereas the Nokia executive said of Nokia 'if there is something good in the world, we copy with pride', which is completely different.
Yes. It's completely different. The two statements mean the same thing, but it's different. Because if Apple/NeXT/Steve do it, it's ok. But lord forbid anyone does it TO Apple/NeXT/Steve. That's just WRONG.
And given the current patent system Nokia is within their rights to demand whatever they want. You're argument should not be against Nokia, but against the current patent system.
From what I've read, Apples patents on multi-touch make it very hard to do multi-touch any other way. That's why Nokia wants a cross licensing deal. Remember that Apple is protected by the same patent laws and regs that Nokia is using to protect their IP.
Don't blame Nokia though, this is how the game has been set up to play unless the patent system itself is somehow changed.
This can't be their biggest complaint since Apple acknowledge that Nokia offered licensing based on $$$ only not once but twice....
From what I've read, Apples patents on multi-touch make it very hard to do multi-touch any other way. That's why Nokia wants a cross licensing deal.
He references exposing oneself to the best things that man has done.
The Nokia quote basically says that Nokia copies with pride when external companies make something good.
Also, claiming the Apple fan boy crap is quite tiresome and baseless.