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Last week, Nokia filed a complaint with the U.S. International Trade Commission (ITC) claiming infringement of its patents by "virtually all" Apple products. The complaint was an extension of an earlier lawsuit filed by Nokia over the iPhone, one which was met with strong denials and a countersuit from Apple, citing infringement of its own patents.

Engadget today notes that the text of the complaint and a corresponding federal lawsuit have been made public, revealing that Nokia has requested that the ITC go so far as to ban the import of virtually every Apple mobile product.
The biggest bombshell so far is the ITC complaint, in which Nokia's asking the commission to ban imports of basically every Apple mobile product from the MacBook to the iPhone for infringing its device patents -- a strategy we've seen in other high-profile cases. Since the ITC has the ability to move quite quickly, we'd expect that case to be the primary battleground for the moment -- but remember that Apple has plenty of its own incredibly broad patents of its own to fight back with here, so don't expect a quick resolution.
As noted by Nokia Views, the ITC complaint as part of its argument quotes Apple CEO Steve Jobs as having claimed that the company has "always been shameless about stealing great ideas." The salvo is a clear response to Apple's earlier quoting of Nokia executive Anssi Vanjoki's comments that his company is willing to "copy with pride."

Article Link: More Details on Nokia's Latest Complaints Against Apple Surface
 

str1f3

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Good luck in your future endeavors of patent trolling Nokia. In five years that's all you'll have left.
 
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theheadguy

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A while back someone called them Psystar, to which I silently disagreed; now I can see why they compared the two.
 
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kiljoy616

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Let the fun begin.

Nokia is going to get its ass reamed. Should be also interesting in which camp other companies fall into once this starts? :D
 
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*LTD*

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Hey Nokia, why not make a phone that people actually want?

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...by-first-half/articleshow/5408409.cms?curpg=3


This week, Rick Simonson, Nokia's executive vice president, spoke with India's The Economic Times and said his company hopes to be "at par" with Apple and RIM in smartphone sales by 2011.

"Not only we draw level with them," he said, "we will also win the war because, in addition to email, we will be adding content, chat, music, entertainment and several other features, which will soon become very critical for success of any company in this space."


LOL.


Nokia's strategy:

 
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ChazUK

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As noted by Nokia Views, the ITC complaint as part of its argument quotes Apple CEO Steve Jobs as having claimed that the company has "always been shameless about stealing great ideas." The salvo is a clear response to Apple's earlier quoting of Nokia executive Anssi Vanjoki's comments that his company is willing to "copy with pride."

ROFL! Wasn't there people going ballistic over the Nokia "copy with pride" quote in one of the earlier threads?
 
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AdeFowler

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I find it hard to believe that a company the size of Nokia could be acting without some just cause. The fact that the majority seem to be dismissing the whole case so prematurely surprises me.
 
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Lone Deranger

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...the ITC complaint as part of its argument quotes Apple CEO Steve Jobs as having claimed that the company has "always been shameless about stealing great ideas." The salvo is a clear response to Apple's earlier quoting of Nokia executive Anssi Vanjoki's comments that his company is willing to "copy with pride."

The word 'childish' comes to mind. (For both sides!) :rolleyes:
 
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iDisk

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Nokia cannot innovate so they SUE

This is Just a pure example of a company (Nokia) afraid of the long term threat from Apple.

iDisk


:apple:
 
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miketcool

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I find it hard to believe that a company the size of Nokia could be acting without some just cause. The fact that the majority seem to be dismissing the whole case so prematurely surprises me.

One exciting outcome could be the restructuring of the patent system from these battles. Nokia must have some validity to have gone this route.

Many commenters on here dismiss anything that shows Apple in a negative light. Can't really blame them, it's a passionate cult that follows the :apple:
 
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str1f3

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I find it hard to believe that a company the size of Nokia could be acting without some just cause. The fact that the majority seem to be dismissing the whole case so prematurely surprises me.

It's because Nokia wants incredibly high fees from Apple compared to what they charge the rest of the industry for patents that related to the GSM standards. They also wanted private patents that Apple held for the iPhone some of which Nokia was already putting into their phones.

Nokia will lose this case as quickly as they have lost market share and respect.
 
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carfac

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In a related lawsuit, Nokia is asking for an injunction against the sale and importing of "virtually all" Black turtleneck sweaters.
 
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str1f3

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Apple Inc. is a pretty small company compared to Nokia. I wouldn't see Nokia going anywhere, they're too big.

Nokia is not as big as you think. They are bleeding cash and have given the pink slip to many people in their R&D department. Their market share comes off of making throwaway phones. In the US they are essentially non-existent.

It's no longer a question of if Nokia falls apart but when. Out of of the mobile OSs, they are the worst along with Windows Mobile. They will officially 've the worst when WM7 comes out.
 
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SimonTheSoundMa

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Here is a list of the patents Nokia has:

* No. 5, 634, 074 : Serial I/O device identifies itself to a computer through a serial interface during power on reset then it is being configured by the computer
* No. 6, 343, 263 B1 : Real-time signal processing system for serially transmitted data
* No. 5,915,131 : Method and apparatus for handling I/O requests utilizing separate programming interfaces to access separate I/O services
* No. 5,555,369: Method of creating packages for a pointer-based computer system
* No. 6,239,795 B1: Pattern and color abstraction in a graphical user interface
* No. 5,315,703: Object-oriented notification framework system
* No. 6,189,034 B1: Method and apparatus for dynamic launching of a teleconferencing application upon receipt of a call
* No. 7,469,381, B2: List scrolling and document translation, scaling, and rotation on a touch-screen display
* No.RE 39, 486 E: Extensible, replaceable network component system
* No. 5,455,854: Object-oriented telephony system
* No. 7,383,453 B2: Conserving power by reducing voltage supplied to an instruction-processing portion of a processor
* No. 5,848,105: GMSK signal processors for improved communications capacity and quality
* No. 5, 379,431: Boot framework architecture for dynamic staged initial program load


GSM is pretty much Nokia's invention too.
 
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InTheUnion

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Nokia's market cap is $49B. Apple's is ( as of this writing ) $193B.

I wouldn't say Nokia is too big. Apple could buy Nokia and put them to rest.

Yea, I didn't know what people were on about there...
 
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SimonTheSoundMa

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Nokia's market cap is $49B. Apple's is ( as of this writing ) $193B.

I wouldn't say Nokia is too big. Apple could buy Nokia and put them to rest.

Nokia: E50.72 Bn (US$72.6)
Apple: US$32.48 Bn

Net Income
Nokia: E3.98 Bn (US$5.71)
Apple: US$4.83 Bn

Total Assets
Nokia: E39.58 Bn (US$56.77)
Apple: US$39.57 Bn

Total Equity
Nokia: E16.51 Bn (US$23.68)
Apple: US$21.03
 
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lkrupp

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Apple Inc. is a pretty small company compared to Nokia. I wouldn't see Nokia going anywhere, they're too big.

Apple literally has the cash to buy Nokia outright based on current market capitalization. Then Apple would own all of Nokia's patents and intellectual property. I fail to see how you can say the Nokia is bigger than Apple. Maybe you just don't realize how BIG Apple has become lately. It's worth more than at&t itself at this point.

This is just a classic pissing contest between two companies, one of which is getting its lunch eaten by the other at this time.
 
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lkrupp

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Nokia: E50.72 Bn (US$72.6)
Apple: US$32.48 Bn

Net Income
Nokia: E3.98 Bn (US$5.71)
Apple: US$4.83 Bn

Total Assets
Nokia: E39.58 Bn (US$56.77)
Apple: US$39.57 Bn

Total Equity
Nokia: E16.51 Bn (US$23.68)
Apple: US$21.03

Depends on how you define big, doesn't it. The landscape is littered with "bigger" companies being acquired by smaller ones with more cash, less debt, and more market cap. K-Mart and Sears comes to mind. SBC and at&t also.
 
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cmaier

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Not sure what the bombshell is supposed to be here. It is commonly known that the point of ITC cases is to ban imports, and that ITC cases move VERY quickly.
 
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lssmit02

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Stealing vs. Copying

The funny things is, under the US legal system you're allowed to steal ideas as much as you want. Ideas can't be protected, and a free market encourages competitors to use other people's unprotected ideas. What's illegal is copying someone else's expression of an idea, or making, using or selling products that incorporate a patented invention that puts an idea into practice.
 
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