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More Details on Nokia's Latest Complaints Against Apple Surface
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That made me chuckle, sorry.
Apple has around $200B market cap, and Nokia around $40B or $50B. Apple should just buy Nokia and put them out of their misery.
quotes Apple CEO Steve Jobs as having claimed that the company has "always been shameless about stealing great ideas."
Isn't this quote from Steve Jobs about 25 years old? I think it is older than the quote in my sig...
Isn't this quote from Steve Jobs about 25 years old? I think it is older than the quote in my sig...
This is just a pissing contest between two companies...
This issue between Nokia and Apple is in my opinion, that Nokia before Apple and the iPhone arrived to the "scene" where pretty much the king's of the land of phones.
Nokia is struggling to keep up, and for one reason or another they can't over accomplish what Apple has done. They probably could match it, but by then Apple might be long ahead. So this so called "lawsuit" is a strategy to slow apple enough so that Nokia can catch up.
I don't think this is goinig to be a problem with Apple. Apple basically told Microsoft and the Zune, "Pack up and go home..." Microsoft has the cashflow to take a hit like this and rev up and try again. But Nokia doesn't have the sort of liquidity Microsoft has, so they have to try and halt production from the company that is basically eating their cherries.
I am pretty sure that Apple has patents that if they decide to call them over to Nokia, they will probably choke them.
In other words this is a hissy fight from Nokia... It's making them look bad all over, because something Apple has over the rest is their apparent "Charisma" towards people, and people in the end are the ones who buy the product.
This is another Psystar "tantrum" and when apple announces their Tablet and new upgrades to their phones, this tantrum will go to the back and not be heard again...
You wait and see...
Now can we go back to gossiping about Tiger Woods?
This issue between Nokia and Apple is in my opinion, that Nokia before Apple and the iPhone arrived to the "scene" where pretty much the king's of the land of phones.
Nokia is struggling to keep up, and for one reason or another they can't over accomplish what Apple has done. They probably could match it, but by then Apple might be long ahead. So this so called "lawsuit" is a strategy to slow apple enough so that Nokia can catch up.
I don't think this is goinig to be a problem with Apple. Apple basically told Microsoft and the Zune, "Pack up and go home..." Microsoft has the cashflow to take a hit like this and rev up and try again. But Nokia doesn't have the sort of liquidity Microsoft has, so they have to try and halt production from the company that is basically eating their cherries.
I am pretty sure that Apple has patents that if they decide to call them over to Nokia, they will probably choke them.
In other words this is a hissy fight from Nokia... It's making them look bad all over, because something Apple has over the rest is their apparent "Charisma" towards people, and people in the end are the ones who buy the product.
This is another Psystar "tantrum" and when apple announces their Tablet and new upgrades to their phones, this tantrum will go to the back and not be heard again...
You wait and see...
Now can we go back to gossiping about Tiger Woods?
Before Apple and the iPhone arrived, the other manufacturers were playing fair and paid Nokia their dues. Now this has happened.
This isn't jealousy or a hissy fit of any kind. Nokia (like Apple with Psystar) don't like their **** to be stolen.
Ok, I'm getting confused over this whole thing now.
Is the issue here that Nokia are asking for more money from Apple for the use of GSM patents, than they demand from other manufacturers of mobile devices?
And are these "private patents" of Apple's, that Nokia are said to have used, anything to do with Apple's patents on the Multi Touch Interface and the use of gestures, etc?
Or have Apple just never paid Nokia, period, for the use of any patents they own such as GSM, etc?
Is the issue here that Nokia are asking for more money from Apple for the use of GSM patents, than they demand from other manufacturers of mobile devices?
And are these "private patents" of Apple's, that Nokia are said to have used, anything to do with Apple's patents on the Multi Touch Interface and the use of gestures, etc?
Or have Apple just never paid Nokia, period, for the use of any patents they own such as GSM, etc?
Yeah, it appears that
has the role of Psystar in this case. How ironic!Well this case in taking place in the US so you do the math
As far as I understand, it will stop import into the US. It wouldn't stop exporting from China (where they are produced) but it will prevent the products from entering the US.
Right, ok.
So basically, Apple has never paid Nokia what it's owed for the use of GSM and WiFi patents used in the iPhone?
Apple's biggest complaint is their claim that Nokia wanted patent cross-licensing like they do with other GSM vendors.
Whatever they did ask for in the past is moot, though, since Nokia has asked a Delaware jury to decide what are fair royalties.
Not really. There is one about touch scrolling and rotating, but most are patents about internal booting, power conservation, software methods, etc.
That was Nokia's original complaint.
Import to the USA. Most Apple products are made in China.
Import is the right term. The infringing devices cannot be imported into the U.S. Apple makes its products abroad.
As for the market cap/debt vs. equity guy - Apple has at least $28B in the bank, which is more than enough to buy 50.1% of Nokia's common stock.
What could nokia possibly prove that would justify the banning of all wireless apple products (Aka almost everything)
if they were fighting for something reasonable like a different liscensing agreement, you'd probably see many mire people open to supporting nokia. For nokia to claim there patents are so critical to apple devices that the international sale of them needs to be entirely discontinued is absolutely absurd.
As I think through my life, what nokia products have I owned. None. How many apple products? Well over 10, prolly 20. If one of these two companies is a patent troll, who is it gonna be? The company whose profit margin is skyrocketing by the day and is widely considered the most marketable company, or the company who has provided cell phones to a nice slice if the public only to now find themselves being outmanuevered by not one but two new players in the market and otherwise has little income?
You have said all of that completely missing what caused this fiasco to begin with, Apple not paying for the tech that Nokia helped develop.
Nokia haven't done this on a whim, they got done over by Apple and Apple are now under pressure from a company that heleped develop and mature modern mobile communication.
Why do people keep forgetting the reason this all started?
Many commenters on here dismiss anything that shows Apple in a negative light. Can't really blame them, it's a passionate cult that follows the
This is so true.
Any suit against apple is immediately met with criticism of the plaintiff/opposition and has little to do with the actual issues. Most feel better by attributing the whole matter to jealousy. You know the justification for retained legal staff and billable hours to outside legal counsel is "jealousy"
Good for web traffic. Proponents and opponents get very passionate about this subject I guess
So apple pulls out of china opens up a production line in the states solves the issue in the states. Next. Ok then ill rephrase it pay nokia what there owed job done we can get back to the islate iSquare thing and then see apple get sued for something else.
Apple doesn't make these things, and they can't afford to build them in the U.S. And it would solve nothing (other than the ITC action) - patent law prohibits making, selling, using, or offering for sale in the united states (in addition to importing into the united states).
Beside the patent issues still existing, there's the little problem of getting US employees to labor long days for $50-100 a month like the workers in the Chinese factories.
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Even if this were possible, profit margins would take a hit due to the increased production costs.
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Even if this were possible, profit margins would take a hit due to the increased production costs.
This can't be their biggest complaint since Apple acknowledge that Nokia offered licensing based on $$$ only not once but twice....
Nokia haven't done this on a whim, they got done over by Apple and Apple are now under pressure from a company that heleped develop and mature modern mobile communication.
Why do people keep forgetting the reason this all started?
Exactly! Apple is simply getting a dose of their own medicine. Apple owns a tons of patents around interfacing with the iPods/iPhones, touch screens, etc... and I promise you if Nokia started selling devices without paying Apple licensing fees everyone would be on here cheering for Apple.
If Apple is infringing (and it looks like at least some of their products are) I hope they get smacked down.
Just like every other company in the world reality comes in and takes a bite of the apple. I am not trying to cause an issue but if apple do owe nokia money then would it not be simple to pay them mind you again we dont know how much but everyone says apple has this amount of money blah blah. I own a touch and its given me endles fun entertainment. But hell what do i know i dont deal with money or law i just enjoy a very good product