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I unlocked mine, and it is still 1.0.2 (as I fear that upgrading to 1.1.1 will brick it!) --

Is anyone else in this situation? I mean I love having it unlocked and with all the apps, but sure I'd like to have my cake and eat it too (unlocked/apps, AND 1.1.1)...

Thanks!


I had the installer.app on my first phone and it was cool and all but it seems some of those apps caused more problems and drained the battery faster. When I uninstslled some apps that I didn't like, I dont think it fully unistalled them. Take Navizon for example; when I reinstalled it, it still had all my settings still saved. It lead me to believe that even though I uninstalled it, it eas still somewhere on the phone. I just picked up a brand new phone that was already installed with 1.1.1 and I will keep it that way. People forget that it was Apple that brought us this cool phone and is still the phone to have. Apple continues to amaze us with their products and I know they will have some great apps for it soon. You just have to be patient. Yes Nintendo was cool and all but none of the people I ever showed really cared about that. It has plenty of Apps already to keep you plenty busy.

My new phone runs smoother and the battery lasts a whole hell of a lot longer than it did with all those 3rd party apps. The only thing I miss is being able to customize my icons and stuff but I would rather have a phone that I can update and keep secure than have that. Again Apple will have more apps out soon.
 
Note: I am not an attorney and this is not legal advice, consult an attorney licensed in your jurisdiction blah blah blah.

Actually, we call it a contract for sale and performance of K, and when the box contains terms, that's part of the sale, just as when the transaction includes associative licenses to other property. Course of trade requires those terms be upheld, and performance is assent of perfection, all terms inclusive. Buying the product is tantamount to signature at common law in all 50 states.

Terms disclosed in advance of the sale? Printed on the outside of the box maybe? No? Hm. Yeah, good luck with that.

Neither of these sentences are true. Look it up. The terms are attached prior to sale (see UCC 2-204 et seq.) and no court has ever ruled EULAs unenforceable. Some courts have ruled specific provisions invalid and thus refused to uphold those specific requirements. There's a world of difference between what you're saying and reality.

Find me controlling precedent anywhere that says a license agreement not presented to or accepted by the user in the course of installation or use of software is binding on that user. (AFAIK it's possible to jailbreak, activate, install software on, and subsequently use an iphone without ever being presented with a license agreement.)

All the EULA-upholding cases I'm aware of, but especially ProCD and Blizzard, don't involve a factual question of whether the end user was presented with or accepted the license - that the user was presented with, and accepted, a clickwrap license was stipulated.

I'm saying that I believe nothing but the pre-disclosed terms of the sale bind the buyer of an iPhone until they've manifest acceptance of additional terms disclosed later by, e.g., clicking 'Agree' to the iTunes license.

Yes, once you agree to the additional terms, anything not unconscionable is probably enforceable - but no court that I'm aware of has ever held that by buying a box you are bound by the "mystery terms" inside until you have the opportunity to review those terms and subsequently accept them. (And if you reject them? Good luck getting your refund on opened software...)
 
Matticus, in my interpretaton, you've got it exactly backwards.
So what, exactly, is it that you disagree with?

Installation of third party software is not against the iPhone SLA. Modification of your own firmware is not prima facie illegal.
People who "hack" their iPhone willy nilly with the open-ended intent of installing any arbitrary 3rd party application are in material breach of Apple's EULA.
Which people? Where?
As such, Apple, if it so chose, could sue all such people with copyright infringement, and would have a fair chance of winning.
They'd have to find them first, and they'd have to demonstrate a harm. Personal use allows people to add to software, provided they're not infringing on other rights in the process. Apple would be best served by going after the providers of such a hack, should it wish to pursue litigation. Instead, however, it's clear that the main tool is simply fixing the firmware via software update.
People whose sole intent in jailbreaking their iPhone was to install a piece of SIM-unlock software, are arguably NOT in violation of the EULA.
No, they're still in violation of the EULA. What they're not is liable for copyright damages as a result.
If those SIM-unlocked people have already activated a service agreement with AT&T, then they are still contractually required to pay the early termination fee or else they'll still be on the hook for paying the prescribed monthly service fees
Yes. What does that have to do with anything?
Only Apple's software EULA is applicable, and again, I hold that agreement has *not* been violated.
You just said that they did.
I just don't agree that people who have SIM-unlocked iPhones have necessarily done anything illegal.
Who said they had?
 
True, but who says it has to stay that way? What if the colonial Americans were like that? If they were, there would be a USA. WHat we call Americans would all be English citizens right now.

You aren't seriously comparing the founding of the USA to hacking the iPhone, are you? That's laughable!
 
Terms disclosed in advance of the sale? Printed on the outside of the box maybe?
You as a consumer are responsible for knowing the terms attached to a product. That includes all software licenses on products. If you have a concern about the terms, you are required to review them prior to purchase. If they are available to you (upon request, by visiting the website, or by any other reasonable means), the seller has fulfilled his obligation. This facilitates commerce.

Actual knowledge has never been held to be required. Notice and opportunity is present in the nature of the transaction.
Find me controlling precedent anywhere that says a license agreement not presented to or accepted by the user in the course of installation or use of software is binding on that user. (AFAIK it's possible to jailbreak, activate, install software on, and subsequently use an iphone without ever being presented with a license agreement.)
You do not need to be handed terms on a silver platter. Willful ignorance of terms does not excuse you from being bound to them--ignorantia juris non excusat. You are responsible for the terms you agreed to, whether you are actually aware or not. See Gateway 2000 v. Hill. I've already given you the controlling precedent. If you need further case law, look it up yourself. By the Mirror Image Rule, if you provide unequivocal assent through purchase, you have agreed to all terms attached. Whether you took the opportunity to read them or whether they were personally handed to you is immaterial to objective intent (Allied Steel v. Ford; White v. Corlies).
All the EULA-upholding cases I'm aware of, but especially ProCD and Blizzard, don't involve a factual question of whether the end user was presented with or accepted the license - that the user was presented with, and accepted, a clickwrap license was stipulated.
You're misusing 'stipulate' and 'factual question'. You're also misunderstanding the nature of the cases. Once again, there has never been a court decision which said that EULAs are unenforceable.
I'm saying that I believe nothing but the pre-disclosed terms of the sale bind the buyer of an iPhone until they've manifest acceptance of additional terms disclosed later by, e.g., clicking 'Agree' to the iTunes license.
No. That is not the presumption of transactions under the UCC. Unless you give a specific counteroffer or issue qualified assent, you are accepting the offer including all of its terms. Had you made a counteroffer, it would be rejected, and thus the only way to possess the device legally is by agreeing to its terms.
I'm aware of has ever held that by buying a box you are bound by the "mystery terms" inside until you have the opportunity to review those terms and subsequently accept them.
That's because no software contains "mystery terms." The licenses are available for review prior to purchase and include remedies for disputes arising under those licenses. No court has ever needed to pursue the question since the 1980s. You are not barred from knowing the terms, nor are they disclosed contingent on purchase--you're free to request them beforehand and thus the conditions of Step-Saver no longer exist.

Purchasing and retaining the product indicates assent to contraction and is valid under 2-606. The sole exception in the Klocek case regards a term that is not part of the course of trade and is therefore unusual, requiring specific and express assent to that mandatory arbitration clause. There was no discussion as to whether the included terms were invalid (they were). The only issue was that the agreement included a waiver of rights normally retained. You cannot establish that you normally have full rights over a software purchase, and thus the law follows that the contract does not limit rights which are customarily reserved by the purchaser.
 
You as a consumer are responsible for knowing the terms attached to a product. That includes all software licenses on products. If you have a concern about the terms, you are required to review them prior to purchase. If they are available to you (upon request, by visiting the website, or by any other reasonable means), the seller has fulfilled his obligation. This facilitates commerce.

Actual knowledge has never been held to be required. Notice and opportunity is present in the nature of the transaction.

You do not need to be handed terms on a silver platter. Willful ignorance of terms does not excuse you from being bound to them--ignorantia juris non excusat. You are responsible for the terms you agreed to, whether you are actually aware or not. See Gateway 2000 v. Hill. I've already given you the controlling precedent. If you need further case law, look it up yourself. By the Mirror Image Rule, if you provide unequivocal assent through purchase, you have agreed to all terms attached. Whether you took the opportunity to read them or whether they were personally handed to you is immaterial to objective intent (Allied Steel v. Ford; White v. Corlies).

You're misusing 'stipulate' and 'factual question'. You're also misunderstanding the nature of the cases. Once again, there has never been a court decision which said that EULAs are unenforceable.

No. That is not the presumption of transactions under the UCC. Unless you give a specific counteroffer or issue qualified assent, you are accepting the offer including all of its terms. Had you made a counteroffer, it would be rejected, and thus the only way to possess the device legally is by agreeing to its terms.

That's because no software contains "mystery terms." The licenses are available for review prior to purchase and include remedies for disputes arising under those licenses. No court has ever needed to pursue the question since the 1980s. You are not barred from knowing the terms, nor are they disclosed contingent on purchase--you're free to request them beforehand and thus the conditions of Step-Saver no longer exist.

Purchasing and retaining the product indicates assent to contraction and is valid under 2-606. The sole exception in the Klocek case regards a term that is not part of the course of trade and is therefore unusual, requiring specific and express assent to that mandatory arbitration clause. There was no discussion as to whether the included terms were invalid (they were). The only issue was that the agreement included a waiver of rights normally retained. You cannot establish that you normally have full rights over a software purchase, and thus the law follows that the contract does not limit rights which are customarily reserved by the purchaser.

As always, well said. I wish more people would read your posts instead of assuming they have ceirtain imagined rights.
 
I had the installer.app on my first phone and it was cool and all but it seems some of those apps caused more problems and drained the battery faster. When I uninstslled some apps that I didn't like, I dont think it fully unistalled them. Take Navizon for example; when I reinstalled it, it still had all my settings still saved. It lead me to believe that even though I uninstalled it, it eas still somewhere on the phone.

Preference files. Same way it usually works on Mac OS X.

I just picked up a brand new phone that was already installed with 1.1.1 and I will keep it that way.

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My new phone runs smoother and the battery lasts a whole hell of a lot longer than it did with all those 3rd party apps. The only thing I miss is being able to customize my icons and stuff but I would rather have a phone that I can update and keep secure than have that. Again Apple will have more apps out soon.

I have a hard time believing that battery life is really affected much- using apps that don't run unless you launch them, and that for the most part *pause* when you return back to the main screen (try running top and watching the cpu usage of the different apps on the phone). The only way my iPhone has lost battery life from 3rd party apps is that I have a lot more that i can actually do with it ;)
(Ok, i won't rule out some other mechanism, but it just doesn't seem like it would make much difference other than for obvious reasons like you're playing long NES sessions on the phone ;)
 
See Gateway 2000 v. Hill.

Thanks for taking the time to respond. I am learning something here, disillusioning though it may be. (Like I said - I'm not an attorney, please forgive my clumsy use of terms of art.)

I'd forgotten Gateway 2000, of course. By that court's logic, one party can impose terms on another unilaterally, after the contract has been agreed to, and assume silence as consent - and impose significant additional costs to the other party should they reject the additional terms (e.g. the costs of returning the hardware, or the cost of the software that's non-returnable once opened - the retailer doesn't care you're returning software because you didn't like the EULA.)

Bunk in my book, but possibly the law as it stands today, at least in some places.
 
Well, I don't think a tantrum ever gets you what you want. And it certainly never earns you respect.

The only way third party application development is EVER going to happen for the iPhone is if Apple releases an SDK. Otherwise, hack it all you want, but you constantly run the risk of Apple shutting you down. And I don't know about you, but I use/buy third party applications because they add value and I know they will work. I wouldn't bother with a third party app that I knew might one day (soon) be rendered inoperable by a system update. What's the point?

Actually it seems like a little tantrum worked, re the $200 price drop... FYI, I was NOT one of those complaining...I felt I had generated $200+ benefit already as our software firm announced a web-based app that day, and we couldn't have been that far along had we waited for an iPhone. Indeed, the lower cost just meant more accessibility and buzz for our iPhone web app.

Likewise, the developers who have been working on native apps via hacks will be that much further ahead when Apple has a formal SDK. And they'll have the first mover advantage, street cred, testimonials, a user base, and most importantly, working product on day 1.
 
Correct.

And the number of people that installed 3rd party hacks and took the poll on one of the most popular mac web sites....

http://www.macpolls.com/?poll_id=560

4,851

Out of 1.X million iphones.


Okay... The same poll said 4,463 DID NOT install hacks. So, by your logic, 99.999% of iPhone's are running 3rd party apps! :p

Seriously, the reality is that, the last I checked, there were 119,061 MobileChat downloads, 70,000+ OpenSSH downloads, and countless installer.app downloads, not counting mirrors, and different hacks, and individuals hacking multiple iPhones for friends/commerce... a significant enough number that (1) Apple took harsh action with 1.1.1, and (2) they are talking about a formal 3rd party program. So while you might discount the numbers, they're high enough that Apple is paying attention. And that also points to the demand for a native iChat-type app.

In the end, we all want the same thing... for our iPhones to be the best they can be, in terms of security AND functionality. We're ALL fans of the iPhone...it's like Star Trek. I'm a fan of the original series but if you like Next Gen, that's fine with me. I prefer iPhone 1.0 while you might like 1.1.1.
 
The most funny thing is that took only two weeks to penetrate the "best browser in th world" and "best and most secure operation system"
 
The most funny thing is that took only two weeks to penetrate the "best browser in th world" and "best and most secure operation system"

I'll ignore the troll angle on that :)

I think the message you need to take from this is that no consumer OS is totally secure. Anyone who thinks OSX is impregnable should think again.

As it happens I consider OSX to be secure enough when patched correctly. For all those staying with previous versions of the OS for their Touch/iPhone should think about that for a second.

Would you run an unpatched version of XP, for example. I'd like to think most people would say "Of course not!".
 
I'll ignore the troll angle on that :)

I think the message you need to take from this is that no consumer OS is totally secure. Anyone who thinks OSX is impregnable should think again.

As it happens I consider OSX to be secure enough when patched correctly. For all those staying with previous versions of the OS for their Touch/iPhone should think about that for a second.

Would you run an unpatched version of XP, for example. I'd like to think most people would say "Of course not!".

If the latest patch broke your Super Duper Half-Life IV: Chicken Sandwich Edition, and that was one of the primary reasons you used your PC in the first place, you might hold off on that patch ;) No sense in having a secure system that won't run the primary software you use that system for (of course that's up to the individual in each case).
 
You aren't seriously comparing the founding of the USA to hacking the iPhone, are you? That's laughable!

Not hacking the iPhone, but rather people's apathy today. It seems like so many people today just take what's out there (phones, work, food, whatever) and not do anything to change it for the better. So many people are like "Oh, well. What can I do? I'm onlt 1 person," or don't see how it benefits them enough.

I remember a scene from the movie "Runaway Jury" where the jury is arguing about whether to give this widow a bunch of money b/c her husband was killed by someone w/ a gun. Some of the jurists said that having the gun company may millions of dollars in punitive damages to the widow won't bring back her husband. I get that. But no one ever thinks of it the opposite way: preventing more people from getting shot. So what I'm saying is one main reason people don't fix things is b/c they think about undoing the current damages, not about preventing more damage.

That's what I'm comparing the founding of the US to: not just iPhone hacking, but people's apathy towards change in general.
 
Unfortunately this whole "Apple/iPhone/Firmware Hackers" is becoming just like the "Sony/PSP/Homebrew Scene".

The truth is... if you lock something, chances are that it's just a matter of time until someone cracks it open, hurting the company that builds the product. That's why I seriously think that Apple needs to open up the iPhone, they should sell apps via iTunes and eventually earn money from the people who only want an unlocked iPhone.

Personally, I won't buy an iPhone until it becomes unlocked, which I hope that Apple is at least considering doing.. they DO NOT want to end up like Sony battling against firmware hackers which end up winning in the long run.

If Apple opens up the iPhone, sales will be even bigger.. and with a cool service to buy apps from iTunes.. they get yet another source of revenue.

I mean, I don't know if I'm making sense but this feels like logic 101 to me, and it makes customers happy, which is what leads to profit.
 
You have have obviously made a decision to remain in the past. This appears to be be the only way to move forward and it is basically on a course of disaster if you so chose to embark on it. I certainly would not.

He's doing that so his iPhone doesn't get bricked by Apple (which it would as soon as he updated it). So you're saying you would go ahead with the future and brick your iPhone if you were in his shoes? That doesn't sound like a good idea to me at all....

Whether you agree with him unlocking the phone in the first place is beside the point. Apple chose to brick iPhones and he chose to unlock his. Apple has chosen for him to not 'move forward'. There is no greater "disaster" than a bricked iPhone so your comments make zero sense.
 
The truth is... if you lock something, chances are that it's just a matter of time until someone cracks it open, hurting the company that builds the product.
Conversely, cracks tend to stop working as the product evolves, whether the company causes that on purpose or it's just a side effect of new hardware, software, and firmware.

So it may just be "the way of things" that some people will get away with having more than the company intended for each new product, but only temporarily. And if those users, by their tech-oriented nature, eventually upgrade to a newer model, then squeeze extra features out of it too, the company has suffered delayed sales, not necessarily lost sales, while the users have indeed paid extra for their extra features, in the form of increased effort, more risk, and less support.
 
So what, exactly, is it that you disagree with?
I disagree with your assertion that installing arbitrary 3rd party software on the iPhone is not illegal.

The act of installing arbitrary 3rd party software by any mechanism we are currently aware of, requires modification of the firmware provided by Apple. Doing so is expressly in violation of the EULA, "except as ... pemitted by applicable law" (direct quote from the EULA). You do not own the Apple-provided software on the iPhone; it is licensed to you. In using that software in a way that is not provided for under the license agreement, you are infringing on Apple's copyright. Illegal.

http://images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/iphone.pdf

Installation of third party software is not against the iPhone SLA. Modification of your own firmware is not prima facie illegal.
Yes it is, because in order to install your own software, you'd first have to modify Apple's software. Doing so for any purposes that are not specifically permitted under "applicable law" is a violation of the EULA.

Which people? Where?
Any people anywhere who have modified the iPhone firmware in the act of installing 3rd-party software on the iPhone that is not specifically exempted.

They'd have to find them first, and they'd have to demonstrate a harm. Personal use allows people to add to software, provided they're not infringing on other rights in the process. Apple would be best served by going after the providers of such a hack, should it wish to pursue litigation. Instead, however, it's clear that the main tool is simply fixing the firmware via software update.
And that is very generous of them. Ideally, Apple should have deliberately bricked anybody who jailbroke the iPhone (and in my opinion, this is the ironic part in light of recent events) and then proceeded to do anything beyond installing a SIM unlock.

No, they're still in violation of the EULA. What they're not is liable for copyright damages as a result.
The EULA is a license. It exists solely as a means of specifying the terms under which an Intellectual Property owner assigns permission to the end user to make use of that intellectual property. It disallows any modifications of the Apple-provided software, except as permitted under applicable law.

A DMCA exemption exists which allows firmware modifications to be made specifically for the purpose of network modifications. That is the "applicable law" which causes SIM-unlocking to be permissible under the EULA.

The network carrier (AT&T) doesn't show up anywhere in the EULA.

I have not yet seen any applicable law which would establish that firmware modifications for any other purposes would be exempted.

Yes. What does that have to do with anything?
I was attempting to preemptively defend my argument against anybody who might come along and try to shoot the entire thing down by bringing up the spectre of AT&T.

You just said that they did.
Clearly we're failing to communicate.
I said that anybody who modified the iPhone exclusively for achieving the SIM unlock was specifically NOT violating the EULA.

Anybody who modified the iPhone firmware for any other reason specifically WAS violating the EULA.

Who said they had?
The way I interpreted your comments, I thought you had said that. If I was incorrect in my interpretation, then I apologize.

Apparently we're both suffering from a case of hearing problems, because it seems to me that maybe you didn't fully grasp what I had been saying either.
 
Ideally, Apple should have deliberately bricked anybody who jailbroke the iPhone (in my opinion, ironic in light of recent events) for any reason other than SIM unlocks.

Geez, aren't you a bundle of sunshine? You must have tons of friends with an attitude like that.
 
Geez, aren't you a bundle of sunshine? You must have tons of friends with an attitude like that.

Ok, on sober second thought, I think I'd change "..should have bricked..." to "...would have been justified in bricking..."

In my version of the best possible world, I personally would have preferred seeing no phones get bricked at all.
All 3rd-party apps removed and SIM unlocks undone? I could probably hesitantly swallow it.
Bricked? I would have preferred not.
 
By that court's logic, one party can impose terms on another unilaterally, after the contract has been agreed to, and assume silence as consent
Not at all. You can't impose a unilateral contract after the fact at all without a new acceptance. The issue is one of timing. The offer includes terms delivered with the product. Your acceptance is acceptance of those included terms, regardless of whether you ask for them or whether you read them beforehand (there are certain kinds of agreements which must be executed in writing by signature [usually credit and land purchase, but almost never personalty]).

You're looking at what the customer actually knew at the time of agreement, rather than what they were responsible for knowing. In order for your scenario to exist, they would have to send supplemental terms after the acceptance (and in order to demonstrate that, they'd have to show how the terms were different from those available beforehand).
impose significant additional costs to the other party should they reject the additional terms (e.g. the costs of returning the hardware, or the cost of the software that's non-returnable once opened
The retailer isn't a factor if they're separate from the manufacturer. The cost of returning the hardware is bargained for in the purchase agreement by way of the store's return policy. More to the point, though, there are still no additional terms. They are the same terms attached to the original offer. They do not become additional merely because the offeree has not yet chosen to read them.
I disagree with your assertion that installing arbitrary 3rd party software on the iPhone is not illegal.
It is not. The installation of software is not illegal. The installation by illegal means would be, but the factor there is the illegal means, not the installation. Do you see the difference?

In using that software in a way that is not provided for under the license agreement, you are infringing on Apple's copyright. Illegal.
You're still mixing up the relevant acts. Installation of third party software is not barred by license, nor would it be enforceable in the agreement. Hacking the firmware to do so would be in violation, but you don't prosecute end users for running executables that otherwise have no consequences. If you install the "Sketches" application, you don't have the unclean hands of breaking prohibitions on reverse engineering. The person(s) who wrote and distributed the software are your targets. Yes, you can sue the end user if you really want to, but what relief would you get? An injunction against the end users is worthless; most customers are relatively judgment proof in damages; making the case is much, much harder; it's bad policy. They're small fish, and not worth it.

Yes it is, because in order to install your own software, you'd first have to modify Apple's software.
It's the modification you're talking about, not the installation. You can't punish someone for doing something which merely includes an unlawful act. You can't sue me for "flying to Florida" if while in Florida, I burn down your vacation home.
I have not yet seen any applicable law which would establish that firmware modifications for any other purposes would be exempted.
Personal use at common law allows for a wide variety of personal, noncommercial, private acts. Basically, anything you do without interfering with someone else's rights is fair game--when that act becomes public, or when it interferes with commercial interests, it is no longer personal use and no longer protected. This is a due process issue. You're not doing anything wrong if you modify your phone yourself. If you distribute those modifications for others, if you undermine or compete with Apple's ability to sell/control/profit from/uphold their own agreements, or if your modification causes damage, interruption, or otherwise acts strangely on a network, then there's the threshhold where you're in trouble.
it seems to me that maybe you didn't fully grasp what I had been saying either.
I understand what you're arguing (some of which is correct and some of which is arguable but impractical, and some of which is just wrong), but you don't understand that you're not actually saying what you mean. Be more precise when making a legal argument.
 
You're looking at what the customer actually knew at the time of agreement, rather than what they were responsible for knowing. In order for your scenario to exist, they would have to send supplemental terms after the acceptance (and in order to demonstrate that, they'd have to show how the terms were different from those available beforehand).

I see. ProCD held that the terms inside are binding after the buyer has the opportunity to read them and reject them by returning the product. Gateway 2000 held that no notice of additional terms within was required since the buyer had the opportunity to discover those terms even though the box didn't warn them they existed; the contract being formed not when payment was rendered but when the box was opened and the additional terms were presented. (The court did sidestep the issue of whether and how the cost of returning the computer could be recovered - rather dismissively I thought in an era where that shipping would be a rather large fraction of the cost of the computer in the first place, at least for a low-end consumer model.)

The retailer isn't a factor if they're separate from the manufacturer. The cost of returning the hardware is bargained for in the purchase agreement by way of the store's return policy. More to the point, though, there are still no additional terms. They are the same terms attached to the original offer. They do not become additional merely because the offeree has not yet chosen to read them.

I understand - it would seem that a purchaser of any good under the Gateway 2000 logic has a duty to inquire about additional terms concealed within the packaging of any product if one is remotely concerned about the prospect of additional consideration owed (i.e. you didn't just buy that can opener, you agreed to pay Black & Decker $10/month for 24 months for can-opener technical support. Sorry you didn't ask first. If you disagree, please return this device to the manufacturer - Guangzhou Small Appliance Factory #12 - by air freight.), or the availability of any remedy (indemnify and hold harmless for any defect even caused by gross negligence, not fit for any purpose, will cause early death, all disputes to be arbitrated before an independent panel of our shareholders, etc etc - even if it every term doesn't stick it's all severable and you have to litigate to find out.)

As an aside, the comment that the computer in Gateway 2000 would be "useful only as a boat anchor" without its included software and so limiting ProCD to software wouldn't have helped the Hills is deeply wrong for obvious reasons - plenty of people buy computers with no intention of ever using the included operating system software in any capacity. This doesn't reflect well on the court's understanding of technology, but I guess that's par for the course.
 
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