1 Month In - Thinking of going MBP

[shenan1982]

Oh boy where to start.

Flash Player is not built into OS X. In fact, you have to install it and update it regularly. This is assuming that you don't use Chrome as your browser.

Why, on earth, are you defending Flash? You're literally going to argue that you shouldn't have to install ClickToFlash (pretty sure almost everyone at least uses ClickToFlash, if not then Adblock) and would rather defend Flash based advertisements and other poorly generated Flash content as a part of your more than likely made up 20% statistic? Flash is generally UNWANTED by most. I realize in some cases there is no choice but what are you ACTUALLY defending?

There is nothing that flash based advertisements, clutter, and terrible optimization has to offer you as a part of maximizing your user experience. Sorry your Facebook games aren't playing smoothly?

You're ignorant if you think Flash is a problem free technology and runs fine on "10 year old computers." It can, but you're making ridiculous generalizations while defending who knows what.

Just because a technology is inefficient doesn't change the fact that it's still widely used, and to suggest someone not use it is absurd. I'm not defending flash, I'm just saying it's everywhere, and to just say "disable it" in order to make the computer experience more in line with what's acceptable, is frankly, unacceptable.

Again, why should I have to go back in time in order to make the computer usable? In almost every post where someone complains about performance on these forums, the common replies are "disable OS X visual items x, y, and z" and then second most common is "block flash\disable flash" ... it's absurd to suggest someone shut off OS elements and industry-standard technologies in order to make their computer's performance acceptable.

 

[Dark Void]

Just because a technology is inefficient doesn't change the fact that it's still widely used, and to suggest someone not use it is absurd. I'm not defending flash, I'm just saying it's everywhere, and to just say "disable it" in order to make the computer experience more in line with what's acceptable, is frankly, unacceptable.

It's unacceptable to disable unwanted flash generated content?

Or do you like unnecessary flash content slowing down your experience and helping to drain your battery? What I am suggesting will IMPROVE your circumstance by deciding what gets shown. Are you even reading?

 

[shenan1982]

Sorry your Facebook games aren't playing smoothly?

Yeah, along with all sorts of other sites, like Speediest.net, or Zillow.com ... it's not just games. But hey, discredit it all you want. The reality is flash isn't as popular as it once was, but it's far far from dead.

 

[shenan1982]

It's unacceptable to disable unwanted flash generated content?

Or do you like unnecessary flash content slowing down your experience and helping to drain your battery? What I am suggesting will IMPROVE your circumstance by deciding what gets shown. Are you even reading?

Yeah. Why not disable everything your computer can do? Disable Wifi\Bluetooth... and whenever you want to Airdrop or use the internet you have to turn them back on. Disable FaceTime, and then when you want to FaceTime you have to turn it back on. Disable time machine, but then you have to go in and manually back everything up. The notion of disabling things that are meant to enhance the user experience is silly, and I won't do it.

 

[Dark Void]

Yeah, along with all sorts of other sites, like Speediest.net, or Zillow.com ... it's not just games. But hey, discredit it all you want. The reality is flash isn't as popular as it once was, but it's far far from dead.

I am aware of this. It's unfortunate.

Nobody is trying to suggest that it is dead. I'm advising you to use a browser extension that will allow you to choose what flash based content to display in order to improve your overall experience in terms of fluidity and maximizing battery life.

You won't have it though, instead you would rather claim that you shouldn't have to. Don't then, and continue complaining.

Yeah. Why not disable everything your computer can do? Disable Wifi\Bluetooth... and whenever you want to Airdrop or use the internet you have to turn them back on. Disable FaceTime, and then when you want to FaceTime you have to turn it back on. Disable time machine, but then you have to go in and manually back everything up. The notion of disabling things that are meant to enhance the user experience is silly, and I won't do it.

You miss the point entirely, and frankly I am done trying to help you improve your experience and circumstance. Continue to kick and scream and good luck to you.

 

[jimboutilier]

I'll give the benefit of the doubt here that you may have received a bad processor unit. Tell me how your replacement performs once you played around with it.

I think a lot of people have been trying to help with this. I haven't seen anyone deny his experience, just say that it's not their experience and that it doesent seem like the normal experience.

If my rMB gave me the experience he states, and I had so many people respond with a better experience I'd assume there was something wrong and try and fix it

I'd try a bunch of stuff myself like a clean OS install, with minimal extra software I had issues with. If it was still bad I'd be on the phone with Apple tech support or at the Apple store.

If it was the result of something I had running that I needed to run or some subjective/expectations problem, I'd let folks know in case they were in my boat and move on to a more satisfying machine.

I'm sure there are lots of folks that need a rMBP and that would be dissapointing in a rMB and there is nothing wrong with that.

But making comments about an individual experience and insisting everyone agrees and knows in the face of many responses to the contrary, then refusing to aknowledge that there may be an issue with the machine or its config really isn't going to accomplish much

It might be raining where he is, but others may be enjoying the rainbows or be in many other places where the sky really is blue.

 

[shenan1982]

But making comments about an individual experience and insisting everyone agrees and knows in the face of many responses to the contrary, then refusing to aknowledge that there may be an issue with the machine or its config really isn't going to accomplish much

It might be raining where he is, but others may be enjoying the rainbows or be in many other places where the sky really is blue.

It's clearly an issue of things that bother me more than most. The reviews say basically what I say. The benchmarks show exactly how underpowered the rMB is to every other Mac in the line. It's not an issue of it doesn't affect others, it's just the cross section of people on here are people who own the product, so clearly it's a group who accepts the issues. If you go to the Republican National Convention and try to find supporters of gay marriage and abortion, it's the wrong crowd to find people who feel the same way as you. Going into an Apple store and complaining about Apple products is the wrong crowd. And going into a rMB forum and complaining about a rMB is akin to the above examples.

Nevermind. Not going to continue this debate. I guess my expectations of a $1800 investment are more critical than those of you in here. Simple as that. Hopefully your MacBooks continue to delight you like a 2011 Macbook Air.

 

[PDFierro]

Nevermind. Not going to continue this debate. I guess my expectations of a $1800 investment are more critical than those of you in here. Simple as that. Hopefully your MacBooks continue to delight you like a 2011 Macbook Air.

That's the wrong attitude to have. The rMB is basically everything I ever wanted in a laptop. The only slowdown I have had is when I rip Blu-rays, but I don't do that daily. The rMB will continue to get better. But I absolutely love the rMB for what it is now. And that's not fanboyism or drinking the Kool aid. I'm enjoying it far more than I did my previous Mac, which was a 13" rMBP.

Believe it or not, the rMB works great for some people. It just happens to not be the machine for you. Very rarely do I have any of the issues that you seem to encounter by the hour.

 

[shenan1982]

That's the wrong attitude to have. The only slowdown I have had is when I rip Blu-rays, but I don't do that daily.

Very rarely do I have any of the issues that you seem to encounter by the hour.

Sorry, I'm not trying to be rude, but when you talk about ripping blu-rays in 2015, you lose all credibility in giving any advice about technology.

You don't encounter the issues I have because if you're still using blu-ray technology, you're living in 2009 and content with 2009 technology. I would not go around admitting to still using blu-ray.

 

[PDFierro]

Sorry, I'm not trying to be rude, but when you talk about ripping blu-rays in 2015, you lose all credibility in giving any advice about technology.

You don't encounter the issues I have because if you're still using blu-ray technology, you're living in 2009 and content with 2009 technology. I would not go around admitting to still using blu-ray.

Is that why you go around admitting to still using Flash?

 

[shenan1982]

Is that why you go around admitting to still using Flash?

Flash is relevant in 20% of websites on the internet.

I bet less than 1% of people on here use Blu Ray. Maybe it's more common outside the Mac community and with less educated\prosumer groups, but I don't know anyone (even my grandmother) who uses spinning media for entertainment (DVD\blu-ray\hddvd\laser disk\etc). It's all about VOD, be it through streaming across your network, over the internet, or plain old PPV\on-demand on the cable box\entertainment box.

What Mac even has a blu-ray player? Oh yeah, none ever in the history of Apple. LOL

 

[PDFierro]

Flash is relevant in 20% of websites on the internet.

I bet less than 1% of people on here use Blu Ray. Maybe it's more common outside the Mac community and with less educated\prosumer groups, but I don't know anyone (even my grandmother) who uses spinning media for entertainment (DVD\blu-ray\hddvd\laser disk\etc). It's all about VOD, be it through streaming across your network, over the internet, or plain old PPV\on-demand on the cable box\entertainment box.

What Mac even has a blu-ray player? Oh yeah, none ever in the history of Apple. LOL

The argument you make against Blu-ray can be said the same for Flash. You're really not helping yourself here.

 

[shenan1982]

The argument you make against Blu-ray can be said the same for Flash. You're really not helping yourself here.

One is an arguably dead technology. The other is used by 1 in 5 websites. I bet blu-ray isn't used in 1 in 500 households.

You can try and line up the two, but it's definitely an invalid argument. One is commonly used. One isn't.

 

[PDFierro]

One is an arguably dead technology. The other is used by 1 in 5 websites. I bet blu-ray isn't used in 1 in 500 households.

You can try and line up the two, but it's definitely an invalid argument. One is commonly used. One isn't.

Except you took my comment about Blu-ray usage into a full-fledged debate about how it's an old technology. I don't use it for the things you are mentioning, and in my original sentence about Blu-ray, I also said I don't rip Blu-rays daily.

I'm seriously wondering how you went from a good poster to now trolling in this thread. Why are you so upset that some people actually enjoy using the rMB?

 

[shenan1982]

Except you took my comment about Blu-ray usage into a full-fledged debate about how it's an old technology. I don't use it for the things you are mentioning, and in my original sentence about Blu-ray, I also said I don't rip Blu-rays daily.

I'm seriously wondering how you went from a good poster to now trolling in this thread. Why are you so upset that some people actually enjoy using the rMB?

I'm not, I'm upset with the people saying it's as fast as the 2014 rMBP, when clearly the benchmarks and reviews show it's not even comparable. It's the delusion of someone who owns a product and wants to make it out to something it's not. Dunno why it's so hard to admit it's an inferior product by computer specification. I personally don't care if you like yours or not, I'm simply stating my dissatisfaction with mine.

 

[JoePa2624]

Flash is relevant in 20% of websites on the internet.

I bet less than 1% of people on here use Blu Ray. Maybe it's more common outside the Mac community and with less educated\prosumer groups, but I don't know anyone (even my grandmother) who uses spinning media for entertainment (DVD\blu-ray\hddvd\laser disk\etc). It's all about VOD, be it through streaming across your network, over the internet, or plain old PPV\on-demand on the cable box\entertainment box.

What Mac even has a blu-ray player? Oh yeah, none ever in the history of Apple. LOL

My family and I watch roughly 5 Blu-Rays a week. I love Blu-Ray because it is still a tangible experience. We use Netflix and digital media plenty, but I like being able to physically touch something that I own.

If that means I'm stuck in 2009, then so be it. That must explain why I'm enjoying my rMB so much too

 

[shenan1982]

My family and I watch roughly 5 Blu-Rays a week. I love Blu-Ray because it is still a tangible experience. We use Netflix and digital media plenty, but I like being able to physically touch something that I own.

If that means I'm stuck in 2009, then so be it. That must explain why I'm enjoying my rMB so much too

Well considering you have a 32 gb iPad, you're definitely not getting many HD movies on that thing.

I've heard the arguments against Kindle and eBooks saying people like the feel of a tangible experience, but you're the first time I've ever heard of someone saying they want to be able to physically touch a movie they own. Imagine if people still thought that way about CDs. It's basically the same argument.

Yeah, now your enjoyment of your rMB makes more sense ;-)

 

[shenan1982]

That must explain why I'm enjoying my rMB so much too

I do find it amusing how at several points in your blog\review of the rMB you pointed out how tasks like opening applications are noticeably slower than your older rMBP (or MBPr as you call it, hehe). This goes against what many have said on here, saying "it's just as fast as my old 2014 rMBP" .... even though the benchmarks scream to the contrary, haha

 

[JoePa2624]

Well considering you have a 32 gb iPad, you're definitely not getting many HD movies on that thing.

I've heard the arguments against Kindle and eBooks saying people like the feel of a tangible experience, but you're the first time I've ever heard of someone saying they want to be able to physically touch a movie they own. Imagine if people still thought that way about CDs. It's basically the same argument.

Yeah, now your enjoyment of your rMB makes more sense ;-)

You got me there. I honestly don't see the value in an iPad. iOS 9 might make me reconsider.

 

[Dark Void]

I've heard the arguments against Kindle and eBooks saying people like the feel of a tangible experience, but you're the first time I've ever heard of someone saying they want to be able to physically touch a movie they own. Imagine if people still thought that way about CDs. It's basically the same argument.

Okay, I lied. You're either a really good troll or just obnoxiously self-centered in your own world. I suppose the two can co-exist. I'll have to disable watched threads after this.

You have got to be the most arrogant, uninformed, self-contradicting user on this forum. Who, as someone that is unaware of being able to block flash based content (evidently), are you to make ANY sort of claims that someone's way of computing or enjoying technology is right or wrong as a whole?

I own CDs. I own DVDs. I love collecting physical media. Until a little over a year ago, I had every PC game that I've ever purchased in its box. Yeah, yeah, cool story bro I know. Is it that you're unaware that people save boxes even? They do. You must live under a rock with an internet connection if you're posting such ignorance regarding things that come with this topic like nostalgia, being a collector, or just for using older media. People still hang on to records and listen to them ffs.

If that's literally the first instance you have ever experienced of someone preferring physical media then this must be you first day on the internet I would say if it weren't for post dates telling me otherwise.

Before you get excited and start spanking your keys to reply, I'm aware it's nearly a complete digital world. But literally who are you to criticize how someone enjoys what they are doing? You're basically the only one here with a negative attitude, therefore you must be doing it wrong if anything is to be true.

I'm 22 years old and my friends still hit me up for mix CDs for their cars. I rip DVDs like a freak of nature. I love DVDs. Not even blu-rays. I use DEE VEE literal DEEs. I have many shows and movies worth remembering and I would take that over some MB or GB sized digital file ANY DAY.

Yes, "I'm mad bro."

That is all.

 

[JoePa2624]

Okay, I lied. You're either a really good troll or just obnoxiously self-centered in your own world. I suppose the two can co-exist. I'll have to disable watched threads after this.

You have got to be the most arrogant, uninformed, self-contradicting user on this forum. Who, as someone that is unaware of being able to block flash based content (evidently), are you to make ANY sort of claims that someone's way of computing or enjoying technology is right or wrong as a whole?

I own CDs. I own DVDs. I love collecting physical media. Until a little over a year ago, I had every PC game that I've ever purchased in its box. Yeah, yeah, cool story bro I know. Is it that you're unaware that people save boxes even? They do. You must live under a rock with an internet connection if you're posting such ignorance regarding things that come with this topic like nostalgia, being a collector, or just for using older media. People still hang on to records and listen to them ffs.

If that's literally the first instance you have ever experienced of someone preferring physical media then this must be you first day on the internet I would say if it weren't for post dates telling me otherwise.

Before you get excited and start spanking your keys to reply, I'm aware it's nearly a complete digital world. But literally who are you to criticize how someone enjoys what they are doing? You're basically the only one here with a negative attitude, therefore you must be doing it wrong if anything is to be true.

I'm 22 years old and my friends still hit me up for mix CDs for their cars. I rip DVDs like a freak of nature. I love DVDs. Not even blu-rays. I use DEE VEE literal DEEs. I have many shows and movies worth remembering and I would take that over some MB or GB sized digital file ANY DAY.

Yes, "I'm mad bro."

That is all.

Lol cool story bro

 

[bwb]

It's clearly an issue of things that bother me more than most. The reviews say basically what I say. The benchmarks show exactly how underpowered the rMB is to every other Mac in the line. It's not an issue of it doesn't affect others, it's just the cross section of people on here are people who own the product, so clearly it's a group who accepts the issues. If you go to the Republican National Convention and try to find supporters of gay marriage and abortion, it's the wrong crowd to find people who feel the same way as you. Going into an Apple store and complaining about Apple products is the wrong crowd. And going into a rMB forum and complaining about a rMB is akin to the above examples.

1. You do realize that the rMB processor is 1/3rd the power of the MBA processor and almost 1/6th the power of the rMBP 13" processor, right? It is literally physically impossible for it to not be underpowered. But, underpowered does not necessarily equate to underperforming.

2. Geekbench is one set of benchmarks. Geekbench is not meant to test burst workloads, so it won't test certain application that Core-M is specifically designed to handle.

3. Likewise a single benchmark cannot encompass how a system will performance across the board. For instance, compare Geekbench 64-bit single core benchmarks between rMBP 13" i7 and rMBP 15" i7. Now compare 64-bit multi-core for the same two machines. The ratios will not be the seem the 15" will be close to double the 13" because the rMBP's 15" i7 is quad, while the 13" is dual. Only certain workloads will use the other cores, but by your logic if you were only considering multi-core benchmarks the 15" is way better than the 13" and people would be idiots buying the 13".

4. Some programs may be very I/O-constrained, such as loading from disk, or large memory access patterns. Thus, raw core performance or depending on a single set of benchmarks is just not reliable.

5. No one is refuting that your experience is wrong, but instead the conclusion that your experience is universal and that the rMB is in the past because it underperforms for a subset of computing tasks (Geekbench scores + Flash).

 

[Dark Void]

Lol cool story bro

I used a Sony Walkman CD player primarily until I was about 17. I left this part out. Get at me!

 

[shenan1982]

Okay, I lied. You're either a really good troll or just obnoxiously self-centered in your own world. I suppose the two can co-exist. I'll have to disable watched threads after this.

You have got to be the most arrogant, uninformed, self-contradicting user on this forum. Who, as someone that is unaware of being able to block flash based content (evidently), are you to make ANY sort of claims that someone's way of computing or enjoying technology is right or wrong as a whole?

I own CDs. I own DVDs. I love collecting physical media. Until a little over a year ago, I had every PC game that I've ever purchased in its box. Yeah, yeah, cool story bro I know. Is it that you're unaware that people save boxes even? They do. You must live under a rock with an internet connection if you're posting such ignorance regarding things that come with this topic like nostalgia, being a collector, or just for using older media. People still hang on to records and listen to them ffs.

If that's literally the first instance you have ever experienced of someone preferring physical media then this must be you first day on the internet I would say if it weren't for post dates telling me otherwise.

Before you get excited and start spanking your keys to reply, I'm aware it's nearly a complete digital world. But literally who are you to criticize how someone enjoys what they are doing? You're basically the only one here with a negative attitude, therefore you must be doing it wrong if anything is to be true.

I'm 22 years old and my friends still hit me up for mix CDs for their cars. I rip DVDs like a freak of nature. I love DVDs. Not even blu-rays. I use DEE VEE literal DEEs. I have many shows and movies worth remembering and I would take that over some MB or GB sized digital file ANY DAY.

Yes, "I'm mad bro."

That is all.

Your diatribe bored me, sorry. Congrats on being stuck in the past though.

 

[JoePa2624]

I used a Sony Walkman CD player primarily until I was about 17. I left this part out. Get at me!

A Sony Walkman until 2010?!?!?!

Haven't had a Walkman since I was rocking out to Nookie!