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Well people tend to embellish when they talk about a product they're financially attached to. Go to the rMBP thread and ask the same questions and you'll have 100 responses discrediting the users claims of same speed. I've owned the MBA and the previous rMBP and am an owner of a rMB. It's silly to even suggest they're on the same performance field. Not saying the rMB doesn't perform well enough to be acceptable for many, I'm simply stating the experience in performance is like a Prius compared to a Porsche and that can be backed by specifications. Lol

What you miss over and over, and this is what is getting tiring, is that performance benchmarks that evaluate maximum sustained load are not particularly valuable in determining how well a device based on Core-M will work for the large number of users who have workflows that are generally not processor bound. I've been saying for years that most computers have processors that are excessively powerful for modern computing routines, and that we are missing out on smaller, quieter devices with better battery life because we are stuffing these power hungry processors into all sorts of mobile devices that don't really need them. Core-M is the result of that reality, and it's exactly the kind of processor I've wanted in a laptop for a long time. Until late last year, the only options were the 15w models, or Atom processors that were truly underpowered. Core-M brings the best of those two worlds - power and efficiency - into being.
 
rMB is an iPad air 2 with an attached keyboard. Nothing more. Once you get that, you will be happier with it.
 
rMB is an iPad air 2 with an attached keyboard. Nothing more. Once you get that, you will be happier with it.

Yeah, it's an iPad Air 2 - except without a touchscreen, 8 GB RAM standard, and at least double the storage for any given configuration, and it runs OS X instead of iOS ...

Sigh.
 
rMB is an iPad air 2 with an attached keyboard. Nothing more. Once you get that, you will be happier with it.

Or, you can buy one and witness the firepower of a fully armed and operational operating system. The best one in the world, in my opinion, and in a totally different class than iOS. An iPad 2 with a keyboard is an iPad 2 with a keyboard. I have one. It's not the same thing.

I think a lot of users will be pleasantly surprised by how capable the rmb is if they go out and try it. A lot of times, I'm in agreement with the general trend of comments on MacRumors, but for this device, I saw a huge gap between my experience and the experiences reported here. For a lot of tasks, I don't even notice the difference between this rmb and my 15" 2013 rmbp.

If your fans are spinning all the time because you play processor intensive video games, do photo image editing for a living, or run handbrake night and day, this is not the computer you are looking for. But, you already know that, because you are pushing the rmbp or some other powerful computer to the limit. If your fans rarely come on, then you'll be fine.
 
You can play it off as if you're a "leet troll" but you literally have no idea what you are talking about regarding this topic. lol
 
I didn't really believe all the reports of the "lagginess" of the rMB until I finally got mine. It is somewhat laggy and unresponsive. Not to the extent of making it unusable, but the effect is there after some use.

However, I don't think it is because the hardware is bad. I am convinced that it is largely because of lack of optimizations on OSX's part. It should get better I think, but it is kind of annoying that Apple would release the rMB without an optimized OS to go along with it.
 
I don't understand why these debates have to happen. Comparing the MBPr to the rMB is missing the point entirely. Of course the MacBook Pro is significantly faster than the 12" MacBook. It's also bigger and heavier.

I think Apple has done a good job creating a laptop for pretty much any use case scenario. I travel 2-3 weeks a month, so the 12" MacBook is the computer that I've been begging for for years. I tried carrying around an iPad with a keyboard to replace my laptop, and you just can't replace the clamshell design with a true keyboard and trackpad. And anyone that says the difference in size and weight between the rMB and MBPr is negligible clearly doesn't carry around a laptop.

If you simply want a laptop for the sake of carrying it over to the couch while you watch TV with the family, but still need a more powerful processor for your video editing, then the MacBook Pro is a no-brainer. I truly think the 13" MacBook Pro Retina is the everyman's laptop, and it's as close to perfect as a laptop can get. Fantastic screen, super fast, great keyboard and trackpad, relatively lightweight and portable. It's awesome.

Pick the one that's right for you. And for anyone that is sitting in their chair still wondering if the new MacBook is powerful enough, I try to keep it simple... The rMB is the new, shiny object that you desire, sure. But if you're having this internal debate, get the MBPr and be happy with a fantastic laptop.
 
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I don't understand why these debates have to happen. Comparing the MBPr to the rMB is missing the point entirely. Of course the MacBook Pro is significantly faster than the 12" MacBook. It's also bigger and heavier.

I think Apple has done a good job creating a laptop for pretty much any use case scenario. I travel 2-3 weeks a month, so the 12" MacBook is the computer that I've been begging for for years. I tried carrying around an iPad with a keyboard to replace my laptop, and you just can't replace the clamshell design with a true keyboard and trackpad. And anyone that says the difference in size and weight between the rMB and MBPr is negligible clearly doesn't carry around a laptop.

If you simply want a laptop for the sake of carrying it over to the couch while you watch TV with the family, but still need a more powerful processor for your video editing, then the MacBook Pro is a no-brainer. I truly think the 13" MacBook Pro Retina is the everyman's laptop, and it's as close to perfect as a laptop can get. Fantastic screen, super fast, great keyboard and trackpad, relatively lightweight and portable. It's awesome.

Pick the one that's right for you. And for anyone that is sitting in their chair still wondering if the new MacBook is powerful enough, I try to keep it simple... The rMB is the new, shiny object that you desire, sure. But if you're having this internal debate, get the MBPr and be happy with a fantastic laptop.

Look. Thats all common sense. I get that, most here dont. But what I DONT get it why its the same price as a 13" rMBP? Why? Thats the problem. It needed to be $899. The air needs to go completely. This is what makes sense to me. Why get a rMB for the same price as the pro? And no a pound or more whatever heavier is not that big of a deal. Seriously. But its the price and the people on here constantly trying to reassure themselves that its a great new piece of tech, and it has its place. In reality its over priced, and under powered for what it is. And the price gap between it and the latest ipad is way too large.
 
Look. Thats all common sense. I get that, most here dont. But what I DONT get it why its the same price as a 13" rMBP? Why? Thats the problem. It needed to be $899. The air needs to go completely. This is what makes sense to me. Why get a rMB for the same price as the pro? And no a pound or more whatever heavier is not that big of a deal. Seriously. But its the price and the people on here constantly trying to reassure themselves that its a great new piece of tech, and it has its place. In reality its over priced, and under powered for what it is. And the price gap between it and the latest ipad is way too large.

I got a rMB for the same price as a MBPr because I wanted something super portable. And yes, the weight difference is noticeable. I reassure myself of nothing, and I am absolutely loving my purchase.

But if you as a potential buyer have these concerns, then I would again caution you to buy the MBPr.
 
Outfitted with the same ram and ssd size, the Macbook is $200 cheaper than the rMBP. They are different devices offering a different set of values. It's not surprising that a brand new form factor, relatively low-volume product, pushing the design limits that today's technology allows, should carry somewhat of a premium. The first Macbook Air was expensive as well. It only got cheap as technology matured and economies of scale kicked in for Apple.

For me, everything that you see as a 'benefit' to the rMBP is a negative for me and how I use my laptop. I don't care for the extra screen size now that retina screens make high resolutions legible at 12". I don't need the extra processing power generating heat and causing the device to be larger and heavier to accommodate fans. I don't need to carry around the bulk and weight of ports that will get used 5% of the time or so. The Macbook strips down the laptop to exactly what I need 95% of the time, and the single USB port gives me the ability to add whatever else I need the other 5%.
 
I got a rMB for the same price as a MBPr because I wanted something super portable. And yes, the weight difference is noticeable. I reassure myself of nothing, and I am absolutely loving my purchase.

But if you as a potential buyer have these concerns, then I would again caution you to buy the MBPr.

Done...Ahahaha. And love it. Just yesterday I had my external drive, charger, SD card and my two 4K thunderbolt displays running at the same time. And I was loving it.

Oh and my iphone 6+ was plugged into also charging.
 
Look. Thats all common sense. I get that, most here dont. But what I DONT get it why its the same price as a 13" rMBP? Why? Thats the problem. It needed to be $899. The air needs to go completely. This is what makes sense to me. Why get a rMB for the same price as the pro? And no a pound or more whatever heavier is not that big of a deal. Seriously. But its the price and the people on here constantly trying to reassure themselves that its a great new piece of tech, and it has its place. In reality its over priced, and under powered for what it is. And the price gap between it and the latest ipad is way too large.

But it doesn't cost the same. For the equivalent 13" rmbp with 256 GB storage, you have to pay a lot more, and you get a heavier computer.

Basically, it's a little more than the MBA, which has an inferior screen and weighs a little more. And, it is a little less than the 13" MBP, which has less storage and is much heavier. It's right in the middle of the two, though you pay a premium for thinner and lighter -- something I think frequent travelers will appreciate a lot in a second computer.

The price gap between it and the latest iPad? Apples and oranges. Why do you keep insisting on thinking of this OSX computer as an iOS mobile device with a keyboard? Once you let that go, it will all make a lot more sense.
 
But it doesn't cost the same. For the equivalent 13" rmbp with 256 GB storage, you have to pay a lot more, and you get a heavier computer.

Basically, it's a little more than the MBA, which has an inferior screen and weighs a little more. And, it is a little less than the 13" MBP, which has less storage and is much heavier. It's right in the middle of the two, though you pay a premium for thinner and lighter -- something I think frequent travelers will appreciate a lot in a second computer.

The price gap between it and the latest iPad? Apples and oranges. Why do you keep insisting on thinking of this OSX computer as an iOS mobile device with a keyboard? Once you let that go, it will all make a lot more sense.

Lol you want to pull semantics with the difference in storage for the same price, but you failed to acknowledge the difference between processors, memory speed, battery life, graphics, screen size and so on... So yes for the same money you get 128gb more space. Everything else is quite a bit less. And this weight thing is really comical. Its what a pound and a half less?? Seriously you are some wimpy gents if you cant handle lugging all that huge 1.5lbs extra weight around.
 
Lol you want to pull semantics with the difference in storage for the same price, but you failed to acknowledge the difference between processors, memory speed, battery life, graphics, screen size and so on... So yes for the same money you get 128gb more space. Everything else is quite a bit less. And this weight thing is really comical. Its what a pound and a half less?? Seriously you are some wimpy gents if you cant handle lugging all that huge 1.5lbs extra weight around.

1.5lbs doesn't sound like much. But that's 45% lighter.
 
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Lol you want to pull semantics with the difference in storage for the same price, but you failed to acknowledge the difference between processors, memory speed, battery life, graphics, screen size and so on... So yes for the same money you get 128gb more space. Everything else is quite a bit less. And this weight thing is really comical. Its what a pound and a half less?? Seriously you are some wimpy gents if you cant handle lugging all that huge 1.5lbs extra weight around.

Hmm- If you had to buy two of Apple's current-generation laptops today, and you planned to use both (not sell or give it to friends/family), which two would you buy?
 
Well in my ignorance, I atleast had the correct information to realize that my 2015 retina macbook pro is worlds (WORLDS) faster than any level rMB. Which is news to most of the people here I guess. The OP here is simply not impressed with the ipad 3 like performance of the rMB and the fanboys here just cant handle it. So lets take the thread out 12 pages ridiculing him to make our selves feel better for buying a laptop thats the same price as the pro model. And lets also pull every excuse in the book to make ourselves feel better about that purchase. You are as ignorant as a mouse eating cheese off of a trap if you think for one second that this rmb is even half as good in every way as a macbook pro.

I don't own a rMB, so how can I be doing anything that you're stating? In fact, I have a negative opinion of the rMB and I personally would not purchase it because it's not for me. I don't need nor want any of the niches that it offers compared to any other notebook. My personal opinion is that portability is relative to the user and is not directly equivalent to size, weight, thickness and footprint. It feels equally simple for me to handle, store, and commute with a 3.5lb notebook as opposed to a 3lb or even a 2lb notebook/ultrabook. I am aware of the differences on paper, but for me, a 22 year old man, it's less than negligible - therefore I choose to have connectivity readily available in general when comparing notebooks to ultrabooks, and in this specific case (rMB vs. MBP) a more capable processor.

This does not make this the default, or the "correct" opinion or status of the topic. Some would rather have what I mentioned on paper and actually notice, appreciate, prefer and make practical use of those differences in everyday life and furthermore NOT need the things that I prefer such as physical connectivity. This is why different options exist. Nobody is a fanboy for purchasing what they enjoy and what makes the most sense for them because you are too ignorant to understand anything other than one particular CPU benchmark which you have failed to further comment on anyway.
 
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Hmm- If you had to buy two of Apple's current-generation laptops today, and you planned to use both (not sell or give it to friends/family), which two would you buy?

base retina pro 13", and maxed out retina pro 15". I just bought the retina pro 13". I'd love to have a desktop replacement style bigger retina macbook like the 15 with all the maxed out options. Thats if I had to buy two. Only being able to buy one at this time(and really only needing one), I went with the 13". It has the best of all their laptops.
 
THE only thing holding me back from buying an rmb is the price. not that I can't afford it, far from it . It's just priced too high, and I get why, new tech etc etc etc ad infinitum. I also don't see an issue with the single port. I recently bought a 2014 11" mba as just a "throw around" laptop along with the many tablets I have, my mac mini desktop, my 2010 15" mbp etc etc. I have yet to plug anything into the mba usb ports except for the dongle for my fitbit pro used when I transfer my data each day, and when needed a tiny 32 gb thumb drive. all the rest is wireless, including printing. Hopefully, with all the rmb returns, the apple store will soon be selling refurbs at a reasonable price, and version 2 of the rmb basic unit will drop to $999, I don't agree with the comparison to an iPad (which btw I got rid of replaced by android.) In fact I got the mba because i wanted a small computer with OS X. In any case, I think the rmb is very cool but not at the current price. btw, i paid $720 for my base 11" mba at best buy with 12 months to pay it off, virtually half the cost of the rmb, but without the retina screen. And the mba is just a tiny fraction heavier for those who are making a federal case about the rmb lightness.
 
base retina pro 13", and maxed out retina pro 15". I just bought the retina pro 13". I'd love to have a desktop replacement style bigger retina macbook like the 15 with all the maxed out options. Thats if I had to buy two. Only being able to buy one at this time(and really only needing one), I went with the 13". It has the best of all their laptops.

Sounds reasonable- the "two laptops at the same time" requirement in my query is because my work is providing a 15" or so laptop soon (Lenovo in this case, but similar in weight/size to a rMBP 15"), and I need to buy a personal laptop before I receive the work one since I'll be without my desktop for a couple weeks while moving. There are some writing deadlines during the move so I couldn't plan to just use my iPad for the two weeks.

I decided on the rMB 12" for the personal laptop a few days ago, since carrying the 12"+15" at the same time sounds more reasonable than 13"+15" (as the 12" is not a ton larger than an iPad). Not to say I'll be carrying both everywhere, but probably leave the 15" at work and carry the 12" day-to-day unless there is a business trip. I still have a month to make a final decision since it won't ship (thus it hasn't been charged to my CC) until then.
 
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THE only thing holding me back from buying an rmb is the price. not that I can't afford it, far from it . It's just priced too high, and I get why, new tech etc etc etc ad infinitum. I also don't see an issue with the single port. I recently bought a 2014 11" mba as just a "throw around" laptop along with the many tablets I have, my mac mini desktop, my 2010 15" mbp etc etc. I have yet to plug anything into the mba usb ports except for the dongle for my fitbit pro used when I transfer my data each day, and when needed a tiny 32 gb thumb drive. all the rest is wireless, including printing. Hopefully, with all the rmb returns, the apple store will soon be selling refurbs at a reasonable price, and version 2 of the rmb basic unit will drop to $999, I don't agree with the comparison to an iPad (which btw I got rid of replaced by android.) In fact I got the mba because i wanted a small computer with OS X. In any case, I think the rmb is very cool but not at the current price. btw, i paid $720 for my base 11" mba at best buy with 12 months to pay it off, virtually half the cost of the rmb, but without the retina screen. And the mba is just a tiny fraction heavier for those who are making a federal case about the rmb lightness.

Agreed that the price is certainly on the higher side. I'm willing to pay a bit more now, but I'll be surprised if the price doesn't eventually come down by a couple hundred dollars to the level of the 11" after a year or two.
 
Sounds reasonable- the "two laptops at the same time" requirement in my query is because my work is providing a 15" or so laptop soon (Lenovo in this case, but similar in weight/size to a rMBP 15"), and I need to buy a personal laptop before I receive the work one since I'll be without my desktop for a couple weeks while moving. There are some writing deadlines during the move so I couldn't plan to just using my iPad for the two weeks.

I decided on the rMB 12" for the personal laptop a few days ago, since carrying the 12"+15" at the same time sounds more reasonable than 13"+15" (as the 12" is not a ton larger than an iPad). Not to say I'll be carrying both everywhere, but probably leave the 15" at work and carry the 12" day-to-day unless there is a business trip. I still have a month to make a final decision since it won't ship (thus it hasn't been charged to my CC) until then.

Just know the gaming performance is going to be very small compared to even a base rMBP. Thats what would swing me every time. I want to play more than flash games, but I dont need to play Crysis on ultra settings. The 13" size seems fine to me. Its the lightest laptop I have every had. It has the weight to make it not feel cheap(not saying the rmb or air is cheap), but its not heavy. Same reason a heavier band steel watch feels better to me, over like a titanium watch that may be of higher quality and or cost.

Anyway, the rmb is a fine laptop im sure. But not at its price point. Thats my concern and why I would never endorse or buy one. Hence why I bought the pro. I did consider the rMB, but quickly it became apparent it would not be to my liking. And alot of reviewers agree if you are looking for more than ipad style usage. YES YES YES I know its not an ipad and far more advanced than one. Fine. But to me, its not good for much more. Sorry.
 
Just know the gaming performance is going to be very small compared to even a base rMBP. Thats what would swing me every time. I want to play more than flash games, but I dont need to play Crysis on ultra settings. The 13" size seems fine to me. Its the lightest laptop I have every had. It has the weight to make it not feel cheap(not saying the rmb or air is cheap), but its not heavy. Same reason a heavier band steel watch feels better to me, over like a titanium watch that may be of higher quality and or cost.

Anyway, the rmb is a fine laptop im sure. But not at its price point. Thats my concern and why I would never endorse or buy one. Hence why I bought the pro. I did consider the rMB, but quickly it became apparent it would not be to my liking. And alot of reviewers agree if you are looking for more than ipad style usage. YES YES YES I know its not an ipad and far more advanced than one. Fine. But to me, its not good for much more. Sorry.

Oh yes certainly it would not be good to pick for GPU-heavy games, especially since they'll keep the processor pinned and eventually need to throttle down. My steam catalog I think is pushing 600 and gog ~300 last I checked, but not as a big of a concern for me since I prefer a nice desktop w/ mechanical keyboard + gaming laser mouse for any PC gaming. At some point (5-6 years ago?) before all the retinas came out I had a rMBP 15" but I ended up getting a Windows PC since I didn't like how uncomfortable and hot it got playing games (Witcher 1 in that case) even though the FPS was decent. I have an unmodified Xbox 360, modded original gen PS3 w/ the PS1/PS2 backwards compatibility, and modded (for emulator support) Wii for console gaming, along with modded (GBA/GBC emulation) PSP and DSi XL for portable consoles.

So, I'll resign to playing mostly older games on the rMB (hopefully the 15" Lenovo is ok for some GPU heavier stuff) and either way never catch up with my backlog. :)
 
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Just know the gaming performance is going to be very small compared to even a base rMBP. Thats what would swing me every time. I want to play more than flash games, but I dont need to play Crysis on ultra settings. The 13" size seems fine to me. Its the lightest laptop I have every had. It has the weight to make it not feel cheap(not saying the rmb or air is cheap), but its not heavy. Same reason a heavier band steel watch feels better to me, over like a titanium watch that may be of higher quality and or cost.

Anyway, the rmb is a fine laptop im sure. But not at its price point. Thats my concern and why I would never endorse or buy one. Hence why I bought the pro. I did consider the rMB, but quickly it became apparent it would not be to my liking. And alot of reviewers agree if you are looking for more than ipad style usage. YES YES YES I know its not an ipad and far more advanced than one. Fine. But to me, its not good for much more. Sorry.

The rmb is probably not going to be good for gaming. I encourage gamers to buy the 13" or the 15". This isn't for them.

If you like heavy stuff, this probably isn't for you. It is unbelievably light, yet sturdy.

There is a lot of space between not being optimized for gaming and being an iPad. In between, there are plenty of professionals doing work that they cannot do on the iPad, but don't need an rmbp to complete. The mba is fine, for what it is, but the screen is a non-starter for me (I never liked it and think the retina display is long overdue.
 
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