shenan1982
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I have a iMac 5k ("retina mac model") and there is zero lag. It's definitely not the universal UI issue you say.
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I have a iMac 5k ("retina mac model") and there is zero lag. It's definitely not the universal UI issue you say.
MyopicPaideia
macrumors 68020
Meant Macbook, sorry for the confusion there - it is well documented on all the laptop forums here.
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shenan1982
macrumors 68040
Documented by those having the issue. Most people don't post that they're not having issues. Generally those who have an issue are the ones to post about it. Lol. I have several friends who have rMBP and they don't have any lag or UI jitter. And I've used their computer many times. There's obviously more to it than just "all MacBook models"
After three days with the 1.3/8/512GB version I was really considering going back to my 2013 11" Maxed out Air (exactly same as 2014 11" Air). Booting up the 11" and just looking at the screen made me go back to my 12" and the pack of adapters again 
I would guess my bag is slightly heavier now than with the 11", with all the adapters and USB hubs I need to carry around
Today I have installed CentOS 7 in VMWare fusion, I have edited videos in Virb Edit, I have made Indesign documents, all on the 12" screen. Previously I needed to have an external display all the time, but I don't see the same need for it now.
The 12" is my only machine that I use for everything.
I would guess my bag is slightly heavier now than with the 11", with all the adapters and USB hubs I need to carry around
Today I have installed CentOS 7 in VMWare fusion, I have edited videos in Virb Edit, I have made Indesign documents, all on the 12" screen. Previously I needed to have an external display all the time, but I don't see the same need for it now.
The 12" is my only machine that I use for everything.
Ditto.
No problem for me that video transcoding is 5 x slower than on a quadcore, BUT I enjoy the SILENCE!
Couldn't stand my former Macbook's loud fans......
Always wanted a fanless Macbook. Got the 1.3/256/SG last week here in Vienna/AUSTRIA at a local retail store.
seong
macrumors 65816
I have had 2012/2013/2014/2015 rMBP 15", 2013 rMBP 13", and this 2015 rMB 12". All of them have had UI lag/jitter (for the lack of a better word) issues at one point or another. What one perceives as a lag may not be "lag" per se to other people experiencing the same results; the definition is relative. Unless someone comes up with a video saying that 'these certain conditions are what's known as lags, nothing less,' we have no standard to agree nor compare upon.
i.e. I would notice a bit of jitter when scrolling through Applications folder shortcut located on the dock. My friends, however, don't notice it. It turns out that not only does the standard definition 'lag' differ, the number of applications installed also differed. When given my computer and displayed with the so called jitter, my friends wouldn't recognize it as a 'jitter' and thought it as a norm.
I think Apple is just not admitting their fault here: that certain models of rMBP indeed have UI 'smoothness' issues. They are doing their best, however, at fixing this with El Capitan (with Metal integration, etc.)
i.e. I would notice a bit of jitter when scrolling through Applications folder shortcut located on the dock. My friends, however, don't notice it. It turns out that not only does the standard definition 'lag' differ, the number of applications installed also differed. When given my computer and displayed with the so called jitter, my friends wouldn't recognize it as a 'jitter' and thought it as a norm.
I think Apple is just not admitting their fault here: that certain models of rMBP indeed have UI 'smoothness' issues. They are doing their best, however, at fixing this with El Capitan (with Metal integration, etc.)
MyopicPaideia
macrumors 68020
Well, yeah, you've just illustrated my point exactly. I agree completely. There are tons of people out there not experiencing any lag at all on the rMB as well. What is clear is that there is an issue for some spanning the entire range of retina macbooks with iGPU graphics, and that it is not isolated to any one model.
boltjames
macrumors 601
Oh, BJ...
I generally agree with your sentiment, but you really do like to call yourself a wealthy businessman a lot, don't you!
It is my primary professional "business man" device,and will be pitching complete games for a few seasons to come I imagine.
Plus, I do in fact do 10 things at once
LOL, point taken, just trying to paint the proper picture using a few words.
I can do 10 things at once too, I can check email, edit a Powerpoint preso, refer to an Excel file, surf for news about Caitlin Jenner, and watch NFL games on my Slingbox simultaneously on my RMB with no lag and with a gorgeous display and cutting-edge form factor and that's all I need when I'm on the road 65 days a year.
I can deal with those who criticize the RMB, but not criticism based on performance since it's clear from the outset that that's the compromise. Industry-leading form factor, industry-leading screen resolution, industry-leading battery life, but you take a wee step back on performance. It's a fantastic tradeoff for those who never used all the performance to begin with (raises hand).
BJ
JoePa2624
macrumors regular
Well put.
boltjames
macrumors 601
Bingo.
There are so many phones and notebooks to choose from and today's customers want freedom of choice so there is no crime in Apple producing a product for consumers who don't want to carry around all that size and all that weight and all that noise for processing performance they never come close to needing.
If you need a bloated minivan to haul the sports equipment and the family of 6, you can buy one. If you need a svelte sportscar for fun weekend getaway's with just you and the wife, you can buy one too. Minivan's don't handle like sportscars and sportscars don't offer the utility of minivan's. Homes have two garages for a reason. Rocket science, I tell ya. Rocket science.
BJ
Laserducky
macrumors regular
To each his own. Some people love the RMB. Some hate it.
End of the day, its their money so its cool to let people do what they want with it and come to terms with their satisfaction or dissatisfaction.
SlCKB0Y
macrumors 68040
In interface design a pretty common performance goal is 60fps. It's the closest we have to a benchmark.
seong
macrumors 65816
Yes I am aware of that, but there is no easy way for the end user to figure out the current OS fps.
shenan1982
macrumors 68040
I don't think anyone can legitimately love or hate the product. Anyone who has a satisfactory opinion of it can't possibly say they don't see room for improvement. Anyone who hates it likely isn't within the targeted user base for the product.
Either way it leaves a lot to be desired.... but it's also a great product for what it is. Like almost every review states, it's a product that'll be what future products are designed around, it's just not ready for prime time just yet.
I think I will keep mine and see what comes out in the next 6-8 months. I would assume within that time period I'll have rev b rMB and a new version of rMBP to chose from, so we shall see.
shenan1982
macrumors 68040
Please link me to where Apple makes it clear that the rMB has the following performance issues:
- when loading web pages, it'll be jerky when scrolling, even basic pages.
- when using flash, it'll be jerky and borderline unusable in some cases.
- when clicking through emails, you'll have to wait while it loads even basic text emails.
- when loading image previews, it'll take 1-2 seconds to load even low-res photos.
They don't. They advertise it as a machine without and caveats that OS X won't run as quickly or as smoothly as advertised, or as delivered to the user on EVERY other current Mac model.
In fact, the largest word other than "Macbook" on the Apple product page (http://www.apple.com/macbook/?sr=hotnews.rss) is "Years Ahead" ... what about this Macbook is years ahead? Maybe the decision to go with just one port? If anything the performance is "Years Behind" .... They go on to say "the logic board on which the processor sits has been completely redesigned to pack all the capability you expect in a Mac into as little space as possible." Not sure they met most people's expectations, given the feedback many on here have provided.
Apple doesn't post this because it's not true. My MacBook does not behave that way.
shenan1982
macrumors 68040
If you say so! It's well documented by almost every review, and even those who love the product have said the same thing about the issues, and say it's to be expected from the processor concession. But hey, you've now discredited yourself fully to claim to be exempt from all of the above known issues.
JoePa2624
macrumors regular
I'm not seeing any of that on my MacBook. Maybe the email loading issue every once in a while, but otherwise none of those.
Let Apple take a look at it?
thadoggfather
macrumors P6
I'm not exaggerating, playing with scissor mechanism on rMBP/MBA on store demos feels archaic to me
Laserducky
macrumors regular
I believe its a great first gen product but of course, it will get better with time.
Regarding loving or hating a product, I'm sure there are fanboys and haters alike of everything in this world, not just the RMB to whom the word 'legitimately' probably won't matter and they'll start their drumroll before we can sneak in a word of our own ;-)
Cheers mate !
I disagree with that. I legitimately love the rMB. Of course there are issues with it and things that can be improved, but I'm not complaining at all. It's doing everything I wanted it to. There's absolutely no way I'd ever go back to the rMBP now. I'll upgrade to next year's rMB and so on.
burgman
macrumors 68030
I think you and others rant and call owners of whatever Apple product you don't like stupid, mindless, delusional
Apple drones because of other reasons besides:" I rant because I really wanted this to be a machine for me, and in its current state, its not" nice try.
Queen6
macrumors G4
Apple`s Mail is an ongoing problem for many, just turn to the OS X forums. I Mail working across multiple accounts; Exchange, IMAP, SMTP equally no easy auto set up and Mail has some very counter intuitive advanced settings.
Luckily for me as I had done the groundwork on my rMBP`s when I set up my rMB all setting migrated across seamlessly, which is a first.
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Queen6
macrumors G4
The "click" reminds me of a mechanical keyboard, not sure if I really like it, or actually do really like it, equally I can type just the same on it, it`s a little weird all the same.
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