10.1.5 Sooner or Later?

[MOM]

appleworks

A little off topic, but some one else started it.

I use appleworks all the time and I think it is great but it has some real glaring omissions. Firts, I've used MacDraw, MacDrawPro, ClarisDraw and now Appleorks for polishing up figures for my research manuscripts. Nearly every figure I've published has gone through one of these programs. They work well and simply for what I need them to do. so my question is if Appleworks is based on the previous software why can't I open a clarisdraw figure in Applworks directly??? Forget the MS to appleworks conversions what about claris to appleworks. I know i can save the figures in clarisdraw in EPSF format and then import them, but this means I need clarisdraw on the computer (I carry aversion around on a zip just to be able to access my old files).
While we're at it, why can't I save a Appleworks drawing in EPSF so that I can import it to MS word (which I have to use for grants as despite the translators appleworks makes a mess of the formats). ClarisDraw did this and it worked well for me for years. Now I have to move my Appleworks drawings to the word processor portion of Appleworks were i can save it as an RTF file that doesn't mess up the figure when it gets imported into MSword.
Additionally, the palette for the alignment tools used by ClarisDraw was better than the current implementation which brings us back to the MacDrawPro days.
OK enough of my rants, but I think if Apple made just a little bit of effort instead of taking some features out and putting just a few features in they could come up with app that could serve most of the needs that people turn to MSOffice for. I would love to never have to use Office again, but that day isn't today.
MOM

 

[iapple]

Re: appleworks

Originally posted by MOM
A little off topic, but some one else started it.

I use appleworks all the time and I think it is great but it has some real glaring omissions. Firts, I've used MacDraw, MacDrawPro, ClarisDraw and now Appleorks for polishing up figures for my research manuscripts. Nearly every figure I've published has gone through one of these programs. They work well and simply for what I need them to do. so my question is if Appleworks is based on the previous software why can't I open a clarisdraw figure in Applworks directly??? Forget the MS to appleworks conversions what about claris to appleworks. I know i can save the figures in clarisdraw in EPSF format and then import them, but this means I need clarisdraw on the computer (I carry aversion around on a zip just to be able to access my old files).
While we're at it, why can't I save a Appleworks drawing in EPSF so that I can import it to MS word (which I have to use for grants as despite the translators appleworks makes a mess of the formats). ClarisDraw did this and it worked well for me for years. Now I have to move my Appleworks drawings to the word processor portion of Appleworks were i can save it as an RTF file that doesn't mess up the figure when it gets imported into MSword.
Additionally, the palette for the alignment tools used by ClarisDraw was better than the current implementation which brings us back to the MacDrawPro days.
OK enough of my rants, but I think if Apple made just a little bit of effort instead of taking some features out and putting just a few features in they could come up with app that could serve most of the needs that people turn to MSOffice for. I would love to never have to use Office again, but that day isn't today.
MOM

Well said. I also think the support for previous "claris" versions of the software is not as good as it should be. I used to use Claris Works 4, and it has no problems in showing it's content, but the layout sometimes is messed up.

Besides that, I think apple needs to get serious about MOVING AWAY from OFFICE! I have office on my PowerBook, because the stuff I do at school is done in MS word, and my parents work at a university that "strongly recommends" people to use Office, so teachers can open the .doc attachments, etc.

If Appleworks has a decent file converter, and the ability to "save" files in MS word format, or Excel format, then noone has to pay the STUPID 50000yen (about 520 dollars, I'm a mac user in Japan 🙂) for the whole Office suite. We need more core features in Appleworks, for current users of MS office to use it.

I hope they release a Cocoa version of Appleworks (it's carbon now I think), with full support for OpenType Fonts and compatibility with Office.
The Japanese language support of OS X has improved a lot, but AppleWorks cannot really take advantage of it.

well that's enough complaining, I'm going to wait for AppleWorks 7!

 

[kcmac]

Unlike XP, X doesn't require a web Browser to make the OS work!😛

Screw 'em. This is maddening. MS has been telling the lie so long that they are even starting to believe it.

 

[Rafael Perini]

MS is a bunch of lazy ppl!!!!

The havent released the Entourage PDA conduit. Now holding Mac OS update?? I do hope the new Address book plus some changes in the Mail appl in the next version (Jaguar) will make me forget about this M**** program.

Got to hell!!!!

 

[Wry Cooter]

Its not like the current MSIE is going to break because of 10.1.5 is it?
That is, does IE itself need a software tweak to be able to use 10.1.5's quartz rendering? Or does MS just want to dress nice for the party too?

They already get free Software Update support, if they are late to the party they can still catch the bus.

Beyond that reasoning, I wouldn't trust them saying wait for me, and they shouldn't be hurt if the everyone else goes on in a different car.

 

[Jays]

who needs M$ on the Mac anyway??

I don't get it, who uses IE on OSX anyway, since the last update the thing is not usable, 3 years ago M$ dropt some language support for IE and Office on the Mac for all I care they can stop making thier crap for the Mac, it helpt us maybe for a while but Apple is doing just fine now also without M$.

By the way AW works great in import/export word files there is no need for office or IE on the Mac infact they both are an insault to X.

 

[Wry Cooter]

Re: who needs M$ on the Mac anyway??

Originally posted by Jays
I don't get it, who uses IE on OSX anyway

People too lazy to move their bookmar.. uh favorites and useful cookies (such as the one that logs me in here) over to a new browser.

I use OmniWeb quite a bit. I use Netscape and iCab. I even end up surfing in classic because of some java applets only working there. I usually keep at least one browser available that has Java disabled or other services denied, so I can surf ruder waters with out having someones site do whatever, as well as one wide open to whatever is out there. Some have different plug-ins. I might dedicate yet another to shopping. It ends up being a matter of what flavor do I want to surf today- I end up favoring different browsers for different activities. Isn't that silly.

 

[aafuss1]

OKm Aopplke you're beaten- well the installer for v 10.1 (no, ity's my app) isd ready-only need tio upload it.

 

[clonenode]

I have seen 10.1.5 running at the Apple store near me. It's running on the demo Macs at the store. They must have some internal build.

 

[j763]

I'm not planning on sparking a flamewar but i think it's a bit stupid to start fingerpointing at microsoft for stealing the GUI idea...

and no, i'm not an m$ apologist, but really, apple stole the gui from xerox, m$ stole it from apple, so apple turns around and sues m$ -- pretty hypocritical if you ask me...

 

[katchow]

how does anyone know if any of this is even true? Has there ever been a similtaneous update of the OS and IE? (i really dont know) It just sounds like one of those rumors to stir all of you up...

oh god, lets not get started on who developed the GUI...pleeeasssse no 🙂

one more thing...IMHO i still think IE is the best thing going at the moment. Still pretty sad though. I've tried the others and i really dont see anything great...i guess it depends on what kinda sites you surf....

if netscape went on a serious diet, it might be ok....omniweb just doesnt work with a lot of pages and i'm not seeing a speed improvement over IE....maybe's its just me.

katchow

 

[Jays]

Mozzila is the best as far as I am concerned, not very fast as starting up, but once running it renders pages nice, as a web developer is has good all around support for plugins and jscript.

though some sites only work properly on IE but that is due to web designers who think that everyone uses IE!

 

[AlexMac]

I noticed the other day that the picture of the browser on the iTools home page (only from a Mac), next to the "Stay in Touch" heading shows a page that has aqua pop-up menus (drop-down box). The browser is clearly IE though. The webmail looks like an earlier version though. Unfortunatley, the pics are too small to tell if there is antialiasing.

Does this mean that the folks at Apple have had the newer version for a while? or have they made this up in photoshop??? (I doubt that)

Maybe we won't have that long to wait 🙂

AlexMac.

 

[ryan]

Originally posted by Kid Red


They bought IIRC $150 million of stock options which have since been sold back a while ago. The reason for the $150million was to settle a lawsuit with Apple over M$ stealing the Apple GUI. M$ and Apple signed the contract in which M$ would make Office for the Mac and Apple would drop the lawsuit.

I'm sure there were other stipulations, like Apple couldn't directly compete with Windows OS, had to make IE the defualt browser, etc. Notice this year Apple is getting more ballsy with their ads? I think that's because the contract is about up - August I think?

Also remember that the $150 million was for non-voting stock. So while MS did own part of Apple, they didn't officially have any way to control them.

And yes, the contact is up in August.

 

[TechLarry]

I say to hell with Microsoft. They haven't been very active in improving the Mac version of IE, so let them deal with distribution on their own time.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what's up here. Microsoft wants Apple to wait so it can include the next IE in the 10.1.5 update.

Which means APPLE will be footing the bandwidth costs for the distribution of the updated IE, not Microsoft.

LOL! Nice try Bill 🙂

TL

 

[jail]

do it apple

what's gonna happen when ie is the only browser without quartz? and it's not gonna come quick, chimera had a %25 speed hit when it went quartz, ie crawls now, how slow will it be with quartz? they'll have to do some magor speed work before ie goes quartz. i hope they get it right, there's enough complaining about slow mac browsing going around.

 

[britboy]

Originally posted by fbcfabric

-Expanded support for SmartDisk, EZQuest, and LaCie disc recording devices

That sounds good. Would this make it possible for me to write 800MB cd's? Apparently the hardware can do it, but i've had no luck getting the software to recognice any more than 701.2MB.

This seems like a relatively major .1.x release. WTG!

 

[Falleron]

Originally posted by j763
I'm not planning on sparking a flamewar but i think it's a bit stupid to start fingerpointing at microsoft for stealing the GUI idea...

and no, i'm not an m$ apologist, but really, apple stole the gui from xerox, m$ stole it from apple, so apple turns around and sues m$ -- pretty hypocritical if you ask me...

WHAT!!! Apple bought the rights!! M$ did not! Apple did everything by the book!

 

[benjaminpg]

!0.1.5

On Macintouch a reader posted a similar experience to that of clonenode's.

Daniel Tam reports a pending update to Mac OS X: "Just to let you know, I walked in to the Apple Store Miami and saw a store rep installing 10.1.5 on all the computers. I asked him when it was coming online and he said in a couple of days."

 

[Backtothemac]

Listen, all the fuss should be over the possibility of MS holding up the release. 10.1.5 is not going to change your user experience in X. Believe me, that is not going to happen until X.2. I cannot wait to see OS XI. I bet it is going to rock. he, he,

 

[Falleron]

Probably nothing, but I just tried the software update + I cant connect! This normally happens before they add something.

 

[mmmdreg]

why doesn't apple release x.1.5 and have a warning saying that you should only install it if you don't mind <blah> not working correctly...?

 

[Wry Cooter]

Re: do it apple

Originally posted by jail
what's gonna happen when ie is the only browser without quartz?

They could simply say they are the fastest and most readable and most used.

Quartz isn't always a blessing... smaller typefaces when antialiased so can look mushy.

regarding why apple doesn't say "this update will break so and so" actually they sort of do... they say what the updates will change whether its the DVD subsystem or whatever.. most of the updates past 1.1, for those that have been so unfortunate, have "broken" exactly what they said they would repair, depending on the setup. And its often an issue of a the installer software overwriting something that was previously needed, a problem that goes back to System 7 at least. Uninstall on updates would be a nice option.

 

[kydruid]

#(*@ M$...

<soapbox>

I'm tired of hearing stories about M$ holding things up. Especially when at the same time they're proclaiming how this OS doesn't have this part of M$ technology, and that OS, etc... When they've manuevered themselves to be the default provider of those technologies. It's a load of B.S. Now, it's time to strike back, we can all work to eliminate M$ from our drives. And our computers will *still* be easy to use afterwards. Let's tackle a couple in order...

1) Internet Explorer

http://www.mozilla.org
http://www.netscape.com
http://www.opera.com
http://www.icab.de

2) Microsoft Orifice^H^H^H^H^H^Hffice ;>

http://www.openoffice.org

(Office suite originally developed by Sun Microsystems, runs on PCs, Linux, Sun Solaris, FreeBSD, and a direct port is in the works for Mac OS X. Far cheaper and more flexible than Office.)

As I think of more, I'll add to the list. Other candidates obviously include the hotmail/msn/msn messenger sites and apps, which are easily worked around, and the software which hasn't and fortunately won't ship for Mac anytime soon... (what?? Publisher won't come to mac? I'm so disappointed. 😛).

Folks we don't need Microsoft to get anything done, and in fact, We could lead the charge against them. Make note of these web pages, and share with your pc friends so they can be enlightened. Help them to escape the tyranny imposed upon up by the evil empire.

Oh yeah, a brief intro... I'm a true geek, I do digital pre-press, graphic design, network administration and basically cto duties for a small printing company in Louisville, KY, and I personally despise this juggernaut known as Microsoft. My opinion would be far nicer if they could even begrudgingly play by the rules. Circumvention should not be an option for a company as large and ubiquitous as they are.

</soapbox>

 

[Wry Cooter]

Re: #(*@ M$...

Originally posted by kydruid
< When they've manuevered themselves to be the default provider of those technologies. It's a load of B.S. Now, it's time to strike back, we can all work to eliminate M$ from our drives.

Sorry, I will remain compromised. Not by functionality so much, but by the 90 percent of the rest of the world that can only read a file if it is created in Word, Excel, etc.

I didn't need to buy Office for my own use... it was for the benefit of those that knew nothing else, including potential employers. I got tired of people who didn't know how to open a tab delimited text file into a spreadsheet.