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10.10.4 HIGHLY increase smoothness: NO MORE LAG !
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I noticed a larger improvement between the first 10.10.4 beta and the second, which was released yesterday, than 10.10.3 and the first beta.
With transparency off, Mission Control definitely behaves better. It's still a shame though, because Windows 10's Task View (identical to Mission Control) is perfectly smooth. It's just a matter of Apple not optimizing these transitions.
With transparency off, Mission Control definitely behaves better. It's still a shame though, because Windows 10's Task View (identical to Mission Control) is perfectly smooth. It's just a matter of Apple not optimizing these transitions.
i have actually had not many/any issues with 10.10.3 but i figured whatever and updated to .4 public beta
i have an external that is a 10.10.3 yosemite installer anyways so not a big risk
i have an external that is a 10.10.3 yosemite installer anyways so not a big risk
Does upgrading to the 10.10.4 public beta require any kind of higher than average tech abilities? I would definitely want try it out, but I have no experience with betas, and would avoid it is difficult to initiate and operate.
Slighlty off topic- assuming all the MacBooks so far have shipped with 10.10.2, at what point in the setup process is the upgrade to 10.10.3/4 accomplished? (before or after my migration over from a 2008 using 10.7.5)
Slighlty off topic- assuming all the MacBooks so far have shipped with 10.10.2, at what point in the setup process is the upgrade to 10.10.3/4 accomplished? (before or after my migration over from a 2008 using 10.7.5)
You do not require any kind of tech abilities. If you have a bug, just use the new icon in your dock to report it.
The update is done after you finish your setup, under OS X. You can however boot into recovery CMD + R when powering on, and do a internet restore to directly have a fresh 10.10.3.
10.10.4 HIGHLY increase smoothness: NO MORE LAG !
Thanks for the info. One more question regarding the Internet Restore: It has been mentioned on multiple threads that it would be beneficial to setup the Mac without connecting to Wi-Fi to minimize beachballs and undue delays, would this mean I should avoid the Internet Restore option considering it will presumably require me to connect to the internet? I have never migrated, so I am trying to figure out the best way to set it up when it arrives today.
Thanks for the info. One more question regarding the Internet Restore: It has been mentioned on multiple threads that it would be beneficial to setup the Mac without connecting to Wi-Fi to minimize beachballs and undue delays, would this mean I should avoid the Internet Restore option considering it will presumably require me to connect to the internet? I have never migrated, so I am trying to figure out the best way to set it up when it arrives today.
No its because of a 10.10.2 bug so if you do an internet restore you will be in 10.10.3 and will have no bug, but it will be long as you will need to DL all the MacOS install.
I have done the normal 10.10.2 setup without internet and then updated to 10.10.3 and 10.10.4 beta.
10.10.4 HIGHLY increase smoothness: NO MORE LAG !
I think I will just do that. Thanks again
Edit: If I am using migration assistant via wifi wouldn't I need to select a network during setup which could cause those wifi related setup issues?
I think I will just do that. Thanks again
Edit: If I am using migration assistant via wifi wouldn't I need to select a network during setup which could cause those wifi related setup issues?
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- Do your setup as normal, without wifi: no recovery etc...
- Do not transfer your data and create an accound with a DIFFERENT name (ie: test) than the one on your previous computer.
- Then, when you are under MacOS, start migration assistant (Applications/Utilities), and do the account transfert.
- When it's done, log to your migrated account and DELETE the one that you created during the setup (the one i called test).
Done !
Did you expect something different? Anyone claiming a minor OS update "highly increases smoothness" has a major case of placebo effect. I bet their Safary is "a lot snappier" too.
I've now tested three different retina MacBooks over the last few weeks, in relation to graphic lag / hesitation. Here's my unscientific results so far:
FIRST rMB: running a clean install of 10.10.3 with transparency disabled -- seemed overall smooth to me
SECOND rMB: running a clean install of 10.10.3 with transparency disabled -- was often experiencing lag doing simple things like browsing
SECOND rMB: upgrading the same clean 10.10.3 to 10.10.4 beta -- no improvement with the rMB
THIRD rMB: running a clean install of 10.10.3 with transparency disabled -- seemed overall smooth to me, like the first rMB I was testing
So from my basic unscientific test of 3 retina MacBooks over the last few weeks, my personal conclusion is that:
a) although lag might be more perceptible and bothersome to some people (myself certainly included), I found performance varied between units, which might mean hardware quality control issues or something else outside of the software
b) the 10.10.4 beta did not provide me any discernible improvement with graphics, or really anything else to me (battery life, speed, etc.)
c) I now need to stop obsessing over this model's slower CPU & GPU, realize that its not as powerful as my MBA, and just enjoy!
FIRST rMB: running a clean install of 10.10.3 with transparency disabled -- seemed overall smooth to me
SECOND rMB: running a clean install of 10.10.3 with transparency disabled -- was often experiencing lag doing simple things like browsing
SECOND rMB: upgrading the same clean 10.10.3 to 10.10.4 beta -- no improvement with the rMB
THIRD rMB: running a clean install of 10.10.3 with transparency disabled -- seemed overall smooth to me, like the first rMB I was testing
So from my basic unscientific test of 3 retina MacBooks over the last few weeks, my personal conclusion is that:
a) although lag might be more perceptible and bothersome to some people (myself certainly included), I found performance varied between units, which might mean hardware quality control issues or something else outside of the software
b) the 10.10.4 beta did not provide me any discernible improvement with graphics, or really anything else to me (battery life, speed, etc.)
c) I now need to stop obsessing over this model's slower CPU & GPU, realize that its not as powerful as my MBA, and just enjoy!
I must be lucky. My 1.2/512 has been pretty smooth since the day I got it. I'm in the developer program and i definitely noticed an overall improvement with 10.10.4. Not earth-shattering but noticeable for sure. One thing I noticed is that Window resizing is definitely smoother.
I tried some of the links above.
the youtube video was smooth.
The Apple page wasn't "buttery" but it wasn't bad. I certainly wouldn't take it back over the tiniest amount of stutter.
This, to me, is Apple's best laptop ever. Will future versions be better? Sure. But this one certainly does all I need it to do.
I am especially happy how well it handles Parallels and (running Windows 8.1 VM and latest Windows 10 tech preview 10122) and it does a great job.
Finally, the battery live is pretty amazing. As I type the battery indicator is saying 13:23 left. Seems to be as good as my previous 2014 13" rMBP
I tried some of the links above.
the youtube video was smooth.
The Apple page wasn't "buttery" but it wasn't bad. I certainly wouldn't take it back over the tiniest amount of stutter.
This, to me, is Apple's best laptop ever. Will future versions be better? Sure. But this one certainly does all I need it to do.
I am especially happy how well it handles Parallels and (running Windows 8.1 VM and latest Windows 10 tech preview 10122) and it does a great job.
Finally, the battery live is pretty amazing. As I type the battery indicator is saying 13:23 left. Seems to be as good as my previous 2014 13" rMBP
I'm the OP, and I can tell you that under a fresh 10.10.3 I had lags and images drop when multitasking, exposé, or even scrolling with chrome on certain pages. 10.10.4 made major improvements:
I was about to send back the rMB but this update changed my mind.
As posted earlier here is a video of my 10.10.4 and I can tell you that it was not as fluid under 10.10.3
https://www.dropbox.com/s/w2lfsysxvxmifxw/2015-05-13 - 07.33.mov?dl=0
Call that a placebo, or maybe a difference in quality check as some people are saying, facts are on that video (for my rMB at least)
I was about to send back the rMB but this update changed my mind.
As posted earlier here is a video of my 10.10.4 and I can tell you that it was not as fluid under 10.10.3
https://www.dropbox.com/s/w2lfsysxvxmifxw/2015-05-13 - 07.33.mov?dl=0
Call that a placebo, or maybe a difference in quality check as some people are saying, facts are on that video (for my rMB at least)
Given the inconsistent results of other rMB owners from the beta, its fair to say that its not the panacea solution we all wish it would be (up till now). But will be interesting when the final release & notes come out from Apple, which usually detail what fixes were implemented for any specific platforms.
I Think it really depends if the users install 10.10.4 just after receiving it to get the improvement, and if so, the macbook is handicapped by the spotlight indexation and so on during few days.
This is the only part of non consistency test I can see when comparing 2 models.
Just an assumption, not an affirmation
Video of the latest beta (today): Almost no lag without transparency.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/zg88aqwnyv08wlr/2015-05-26 - 19.54.mov?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/zg88aqwnyv08wlr/2015-05-26 - 19.54.mov?dl=0
Personally, I'm not one who tends to download files onto my computers from untrusted sources (no offense), and you might get some more replies if you post your video to a streaming site like YouTube.
I don't care if people are replying or not, it's just to inform them, and its not a DL, it's a webplayer.
Could someone please upload a screen capture of lag they consider unacceptable? Subjective descriptions of "unacceptable lag" are so hard to quantify without a video.
Also, what makes lag unacceptable? Does it interfere with practical use of the computer or is it below expectations for a 2015 Apple product?
Also, what makes lag unacceptable? Does it interfere with practical use of the computer or is it below expectations for a 2015 Apple product?
I believe this is related to the known memory leak in Yosemite, as opposed to the hardware. Time will tell if Apple engineers will resolve that in a subsequent maintenance release.
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This is dropbox! LOL. How paranoid can one be?
You made my day!
Glad to make someone's day. ;-) Personally, it doesn't matter to me *where* a file come from, as opposed to *what* it is.
Got my base 1.1 2 days ago.
I noticed UI lag immediately (not terrible, but enough to make you see dropped frames in animations), clean installing from internet recovery to 10.10.3 did not improve things, neither did 10.10.4 beta 3 or 4. I also setup as a new mac and did not transfer settings.
The only thing that has worked for the UI lag issue is reducing transparency.
From the numerous forums I've scanned, it appears many retina macbook owners, including 2015 pro models, suffer from the UI lag issue on Yosemite.
I do not think it is rMB hardware related, rather, an Intel and Apple driver issue.
Loving my new rMB. Best laptop I've ever used.
Let's hope Apple sort this out, as it ruins an otherwise sublime experience.
I noticed UI lag immediately (not terrible, but enough to make you see dropped frames in animations), clean installing from internet recovery to 10.10.3 did not improve things, neither did 10.10.4 beta 3 or 4. I also setup as a new mac and did not transfer settings.
The only thing that has worked for the UI lag issue is reducing transparency.
From the numerous forums I've scanned, it appears many retina macbook owners, including 2015 pro models, suffer from the UI lag issue on Yosemite.
I do not think it is rMB hardware related, rather, an Intel and Apple driver issue.
Loving my new rMB. Best laptop I've ever used.
Let's hope Apple sort this out, as it ruins an otherwise sublime experience.