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10.2.4

Re: Re: Very Snappy

Originally posted by Shadowfax


seems like i read somee CivIII specific fixes on the list of things fixed....



good for you! [/B]
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You don't even know! I can finally play CivIII in OS X! It crawled in X and flew in 9 ... it was so slow I began to lose faith in the speed of X, but after X.2.4, now it's just as speedy in X....the difference is incredible. I'm so glad I don't have to boot into 9 anymore. This was the last thing I expected to be fixed by a system update, but it's much appreciated. Not much of a gamer, but CivIII is the best.

(In case you curious, the response time to adjust a slider was about 5-10 seconds...PAINFUL!)
 
apache config warning

I just went psycho for half an hour... The 10.2.4 update had defaulted my apache config, and my whole webserver has hosed. After a bit of desperate searching, turns out the installer renamed my config to httpd.conf.applesaved, and made a default httpd.conf... After swapping e'm back and restarting apache, I fixed it...

Point is, apple REALLY can't be doing crap like this to people, I was going insane. Very irresponsible...

- Der Meister
 
Re: update

Originally posted by bbowdon
Dumb question:
What's the difference between downloading:

10.2.4

and

10.2.4 "Combo"?

Thanks!
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The Combo update is for those who didn't upgrade from 10.2 to 10.2.1, .2, .3, etc. It's all the 10.2.x releases in one.
 
Originally posted by davy the bunny


That's a bad place to play. . . you could just hold down I think either just the "V" key on start-up. . . or maybe it's command and V. I'm not sure but that'll do the job.
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what? is that a wart on her nose? she must be a witch! seriously, stop being so stinking superstitious. it's the terminal, not an electromagnet. it's not going to blow your computer up if you open it. of course you don't fool around, but i never told anyone to do that!
 
Originally posted by Eple
when i press 'command + shift + q' to log out it says that it will auto-log out in 2 min. if you dont do anything.

Has it always been like that?
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I don't know about always, but it was definitely like that in 10.2.3.
 
Re: apache config warning

Originally posted by dermeister
I just went psycho for half an hour... The 10.2.4 update had defaulted my apache config, and my whole webserver has hosed. After a bit of desperate searching, turns out the installer renamed my config to httpd.conf.applesaved, and made a default httpd.conf... After swapping e'm back and restarting apache, I fixed it...

Point is, apple REALLY can't be doing crap like this to people, I was going insane. Very irresponsible...

- Der Meister
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yeah, i really don't like how they change random settings. some things they might change and you'd never know! like automatic updating--i hate having that on, it's a waste of time, as i check for updates myself. that apache thing is a real shame; it's too bad you had to go through that. they should at least make some documentation on that.
 
Re: samba gone for windows

Originally posted by groov'
hi,

since i updated to 10.2.4, I cannot connect anymore via samba to my windows machines.

That's to say: connect to server gives me smb://x.x.x.x and I can mount any of them on the desk once, but as soon as I click it to open, the icon disappears and it doesn't show anything of the directories I shared on the windozes.

Trying to connect to the PCs again gives me a
"error -5000". Retrying a copuple of times gives me a black screen with the announcement in 4 languages (included japanese or chinese) that I have to restart my computer by holding down power for several seconds.

I still can connect to windows via ftp and I can see al the files if I want. I also can see in the browser all my websites on the apacheserver on windows.

Never had any problems with samba in older builds.

No problems with connecting from windows to the mac via 'networklocations', the browser or ftp. It even works faster than before.


Anybody with these troubles out there?
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I haven't worked with it much, but my samba won't connect me to my win98 box; it used to connect fine. this is ironic, as apple advertises some "enhancements" to wondows-PC connections in 10.2.4.
 
After using 10.2.4 for a couple of hours most Cocoa Apps are much faster. iMovie has had a 50 speed boost on me Dual 867, and Safari runs much better as well. Overall this was a great patch from Apple, well worht the 4 hours spent on my dial-up connection downloading it.
 
kewl AFP now works when I turn on sharing on my G4 and I connect to it using my powerbook through airport HW BS-> router -> G4. for some reason that didn't work in 10.2.3.... had to do it the other way around...
 
Improvements...

I've noticed a couple of minor glitches that've been fixed...cutting and pasting icons now works better (I found that it used to work, but you had to restart finder to get it to update...now it updates automagically). And iTunes and iMove both start *much* faster.

Overall my 667 TiBook seems more responsive and nothing seems broken.

I have a few questions though. Firstly, I thought I had uninstalled Norton system utilities but after rebooting after updating, a window popped up saying 'Norton has detected a system update' or something like that. How do I get rid of Norton...I think it's slowing my system down and I don't use it.

Something I haven't checked yet (will do when I go home tonight) is wether my difficulties with seeing a Windows share have been fixed. But I wonder if anyone else has encountered this problem and may know how to fix it: When I go to a shared folder on a windows machine, I can see the machine and open the folder, but I can only see a few of the files in it...from my PC I can see that there are dozens of files there, and I haven't done anything (intentionally) to distinguish the files.

Cheers
 
Re: Improvements...

Originally posted by bryanc
I've noticed a couple of minor glitches that've been fixed...cutting and pasting icons now works better (I found that it used to work, but you had to restart finder to get it to update...now it updates automagically). And iTunes and iMove both start *much* faster.

Overall my 667 TiBook seems more responsive and nothing seems broken.

I have a few questions though. Firstly, I thought I had uninstalled Norton system utilities but after rebooting after updating, a window popped up saying 'Norton has detected a system update' or something like that. How do I get rid of Norton...I think it's slowing my system down and I don't use it.

Something I haven't checked yet (will do when I go home tonight) is wether my difficulties with seeing a Windows share have been fixed. But I wonder if anyone else has encountered this problem and may know how to fix it: When I go to a shared folder on a windows machine, I can see the machine and open the folder, but I can only see a few of the files in it...from my PC I can see that there are dozens of files there, and I haven't done anything (intentionally) to distinguish the files.

Cheers
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Well you can do a search for all Norton and Symantec items and delete them. This won't cure your system slowdown though. I had the same thing happen to me. Norton modifies the System Kernel when installed and from my experience this is not a good thing. To truly rid yourself of the virus they sell as Norton Utilities back up your data, reformat and do a fresh install. For me this increased my system speed by about 10-20% on a dual/GHz /DDR PowerMac. That's a huge increase.

One note I had a hard time backing up seems that somehow Norton screwed up how the system finalized CDs and DVDs when burning. I ended up with about 6 DVDs and 5 CDs that are coasters (about 50% of the time the burn would fail).
 
Re: Improvements...

Originally posted by bryanc
I've noticed a couple of minor glitches that've been fixed...cutting and pasting icons now works better (I found that it used to work, but you had to restart finder to get it to update...now it updates automagically). And iTunes and iMove both start *much* faster.

Overall my 667 TiBook seems more responsive and nothing seems broken.

I have a few questions though. Firstly, I thought I had uninstalled Norton system utilities but after rebooting after updating, a window popped up saying 'Norton has detected a system update' or something like that. How do I get rid of Norton...I think it's slowing my system down and I don't use it.

Something I haven't checked yet (will do when I go home tonight) is wether my difficulties with seeing a Windows share have been fixed. But I wonder if anyone else has encountered this problem and may know how to fix it: When I go to a shared folder on a windows machine, I can see the machine and open the folder, but I can only see a few of the files in it...from my PC I can see that there are dozens of files there, and I haven't done anything (intentionally) to distinguish the files.

Cheers
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first of all, i know nothing about norton antivirus from fisrthand. this is just a guess. usually, applications with such extensive reaches into the heart of OS X have package installs; if you want to remove norton antivirus, chances are you can't just delete the .app file and the plist/preference pane. you may need to run the installer again and select "uninstall" instead of "easy install" under the customization pane before the installation starts. I can't say that this is definitely the case with norton, but it's worth a try. a clean reinstall is your best bet, ultimately, if you have time/means to backup. good luck!
 
Re: Re: Re: apache config warning

Originally posted by RndmAxess


I just updated and after working for awhile realized my clock was incorrect. I opened "Date and Time" to reset it and found the date was changed to December 31, 1969!!

I better starting checking everything!
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LOL i have had that happen before, i don't recall in what context though. i don't think 10.2.4 did it though. it's so weird how such different things happen to different people. i guess it could be explained by the changes your OS undergoes as you install different software and because of the different hardware drivers different people are running. disappointing that apple can't provide a more common user experience in spite of that, but understandable, eh?
 
Re: Re: Re: Very Snappy

Originally posted by aaron128


You don't even know! I can finally play CivIII in OS X! It crawled in X and flew in 9 ... it was so slow I began to lose faith in the speed of X, but after X.2.4, now it's just as speedy in X....the difference is incredible. I'm so glad I don't have to boot into 9 anymore. This was the last thing I expected to be fixed by a system update, but it's much appreciated. Not much of a gamer, but CivIII is the best.

(In case you curious, the response time to adjust a slider was about 5-10 seconds...PAINFUL!)
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yes! i just found this out tonight too... it rules now! gives the game whole new life

has anyone noticed similar improvements in any other games since the update?
 
System Hangs?

Anyone else noticed system hangs on 10.2.4? It happened earlier on my iBook (fresh install, I bought it 2 days ago) and again tonight on my iMac flat panel.

I get a systemwide beechball, and no response from anything in the dock (although the dock itself does let me access it's context menu.... but not for long).

Seems when the computer wakes from sleep it has some it doesn't like to respond. Both times I ended up just powering down the computer via the power button.

All of this was after I used Disk Util to verify and repair perrmissions...

Thinking about downgrading back to 10.2.3. And yes, it does boot slower on both of my machines, noticeably on my new iBook.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Very Snappy

Originally posted by jelloshotsrule


yes! i just found this out tonight too... it rules now! gives the game whole new life

has anyone noticed similar improvements in any other games since the update?
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nothing new on my BG2 (the only really good game i play). i am waiting for the expansion pack, when they should get this game screaming on OS X. it's really poorly done on OS X right now :(.
 
Re: System Hangs?

Originally posted by CybrCyfr
Anyone else noticed system hangs on 10.2.4? It happened earlier on my iBook (fresh install, I bought it 2 days ago) and again tonight on my iMac flat panel.

I get a systemwide beechball, and no response from anything in the dock (although the dock itself does let me access it's context menu.... but not for long).

Seems when the computer wakes from sleep it has some it doesn't like to respond. Both times I ended up just powering down the computer via the power button.

All of this was after I used Disk Util to verify and repair perrmissions...

Thinking about downgrading back to 10.2.3. And yes, it does boot slower on both of my machines, noticeably on my new iBook.
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I have to suspect that you are using a menu extra or a system modifier of some sort. Maybe something to change the appearance of the system? Also disable any program you have that auto starts at login in. You aren't using Norton Utilities are you?
 
i just installed 10.2.4 last night and worked today for the first time with it - everything seems a little bit faster an my g4 dual 450 - wondering how fast a dual 1.42 would be :)

but startup times are much longer and when i turned the machine on it hang first by the spinning wheel. after using the reset button it was okay...

.a
 
Re: 10.2.4 broke my CLOCK?

Originally posted by RndmAxess
This is too weird! Whenever I power down in 10.2.4 my clock will reset to 7:00PM December 31, 1969.

I thought at first that my battery died. Could this update have killed my battery? Maybe messed up prefs for Date and Time? I repaired permissions. No problem there, no help either.

This happened after I immediately after I installed 10.2.4 and did the required restart. Then I realized that I didn't power down, I restarted! But now after a power down the clock resets to 12/31/69 @ 7PM! Every time after a power down the clock goes to this apparent default.

Even more weird is I booted into OS9.2.2, zapped PRAM, rebuilt desktop, lit some incense and chanted while I turned counter clockwise three times and then once clockwise to please the clock god. It worked! Power cycles in OS9 retain the clock settings! Four power cycles in OS9 and it still works.

So I changed startup disk back to OS10.2.4, power down, wait a minute, reboot. The clock is fine on first power cycle from OS9 to OSX. It's only when power cycling in OSX that this problem happens and CLOCK is back to Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin years.

Some might say to just leave it on all the time, but I have a Korg Oasys card that won't let my Mac go into sleep mode. Plus I prefer to shut things down for the night when not in use anyway.

I could use some help on this one! Anyone?

P.S. Apple kbase reports this exact problem with OS10.1 and OS10.1.2. Updating to OS10.1.3 fixes it.
Hold on, let me check something... yup... OS10.2.4.

Last edited by RndmAxess on 12-31-1969 at 19:04 PM
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After reading through many many thread in the Apple Kbase my suggestion is to shutdown your computer and remove the clock battery for at least 10 minutes. Reinstall the battery and start up. You will then have to correct the date and time but hopefully next time it will stay correct after a shutdown.

This should reset your PMU. You could also push the little button next to the battery. It is the PMU reset but from what I have read there are better results from removing the battery.
 
Re: Re: System Hangs?

Originally posted by MacBandit


I have to suspect that you are using a menu extra or a system modifier of some sort. Maybe something to change the appearance of the system? Also disable any program you have that auto starts at login in. You aren't using Norton Utilities are you?
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No menu extras loaded. Brand new iBook. Got it Tuesday. I did a fresh install (who needs OS 9), and then updated via Software update.

I do have Norton Utilities installed as well as Norton Antivirus. Is that a bad thing? I just hae Utiilities installed for the live update feature that works with Antivirus. I never even use the bloody thing.

I assume by your post you know of specific issues with OSX and Norton?

Should I trash that syuff and use the .Mac supplied antivirus?
 
bummer...

I downloaded the installer package on the broadband at work, applied it to my machine there and brought it home, hoping to avoid updating/downloading on a 56k dial-up.

No such luck, it wouldn't install on this machine as the package had no record of being downloaded. I even tried partially downloading the package and then trying to insall again, but no luck... several hours later, I'm updated.

What kind of bumblefug made that installer decision? None of the others have worked that way. Or is there some "user error" here? ;)
 
I've installed 10.2.4 on both G4 Cube & Superdrive TiBook and now neither can use their DSL connection anymore - I've had to downgrade the cube back to 10.2.3 to get back online via DSL.

When in 10.2.4 the WebShuttle DSL modem could get a line sync but not a server connection - any suggestions on a fix for this or do I wait for 10.2.5?
 
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