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Microsoft has chosen its direction and niche and Apple has chosen a different one.

What Apple has done is build hardware, develop and mature their OS and , rather than an after-the-fact kludge built to be a solution for a problem that didn't exist.

Those that will need iPad Pros will get them. Those that need MacBooks or MacBook Pros will get those.
Everything you say is true. Having said that, "they are getting ever-closer to having a highly-functional touch-based pro device built for the purpose of being a touch device" means they are not there yet. Maybe next iteration, who knows?
Now with regard to Microsoft; I don't think implementing touch in Windows 10 is supposed to be a "we can be be a touch first interface too", more just a general, almost casual, thing like "yeah you can prod the screen to close a window, or swipe to scroll".
 
My 12.9 pro arrives on Thursday

Looking forward to the new features and speed

Should be getting mine delivered tomorrow. Having used the previous generation 12.9 inch iPad Pro, I didn't want to move to a smaller iPad again. For my uses, the 12.9 inch screen is perfect size.
 
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With iOS 11, I finally took the bait and bought the 12.9 for content creation, and probably a MacBook replacement of sorts. I think I would short change myself getting the 10.5 with this much capabilities.

I would love an iPad mini with pencil support as my go-to note taking device. It would travel with me everywhere.
 
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I love the 12.9 and can't believe they would drop it. Killer app is Texture allowing me to read dozens of magazines at close to normal size with awesome color. I could live with a smaller iPad.
 
Should be getting mine delivered tomorrow. Having used the previous generation 12.9 inch iPad Pro, I didn't want to move to a smaller iPad again. For my uses, the 12.9 inch screen is perfect size.
agreed, I just felt going for the bigger screen would take advantage of the new features and power. Ordered the smart keyboard and leather smart cover so can use the cover out and about and keyboard at home
 
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I believe that Apple is seriously going down the wrong road with iOS 11. Sure, making the iPad Pro into a MacBook/Windows PC replacement is a good (and inevitable) idea, however they are ruining the already-ideal tablet interface by layering all those half-assed "Pro" features on top of good 'ol iOS. As Microsoft already learned with their Windows 8 fiasco, there simply is no "happy medium" between a consumption device and productivity tool. So, I predict that eventually, even pure-boy Apple will be forced to do the "right thing" and separate the two approaches into very distinct "modes". The default iOS could/should look and feel like iOS 10 did, but the "Desktop iOS" mode could/should have mouse/trackpad support, full WINDOWING, right-click, drag and drop, etc. It should just feel like an 85%-90% MacBook Windows PC when in that mode, because people, even millennials (and younger than), are already used to that type of interface, and if there's one thing I'm sure of, there are very few people outside of tech journalists and fanboys who are willing and eager to learn how to use any new mish-mash computer interfaces, especially when they are device and manufacturer specific! So honestly, what is so awful about having a "mode" slider in the options shade, or simply a smarter device that can somewhat "predict" when you want to go into "pro" mode and when not? Windows 10 already has this "ask me" feature, which works very well conceptually, but failed in practice for MS because they are stuck with the wrong order of precedence, at least where normal humans are concerned...MS Windows is a full-boat PC OS first, and a mediocre tablet second, whilst I believe most people would prefer a great tablet/mobile/consumption (iOS/Android) device first, with a somewhat passable desktop experience second. MS can't go there anymore, because they lost the Mobile App battle, but Apple and Google still have a shot. To me, it's kind of sad they both haven't got there yet.
 
The new reduced bezels in the 10.5" ARE the iPad mini bezels, exactly to the mm. They just seem smaller because they are on a bigger device.

I love my mini that I am typing this post on, but with iOS 11, the 10.5" seems like the perfect laptop replacement "Pro" size. 7.9" is the perfect size for the touch target UI. I was super disappointed the 10.5" didn't have the same resolution as the 12.9" to match the mini exactly in ppi and have the same size ui elements.

It would have been heaven. But I ordered one anyway and am taking the iOS only plunge...hopefully it goes well...
Wow I had no idea they were the same bezel size as the current mini. I guess that means the mini can't shrink any further. I may give the 10.5" version a try, but I feel it would be cumbersome for reading in bed, which is one of my biggest use cases.
 
If it's being called -- and marketed -- as a computer, then why is it OK to have a touch screen when a laptop (or iMac, for that matter) isn't?

Not trying to agitate anyone, just truly wondering.

(Yes, I know one it's a tablet... but so is a SurfacePro)

I agree. It needs mouse support!
 
I'm sorry Apple but compared to macOS I still see this as a very expensive consumption device.
IMO, there's no reason why they couldn't just make a "desktop" mode that could be activated via a slider or button somewhere. It could/should work "almost" like MacOS.
 
Does anybody get the don't-buy-now-it-won't-feel-great-until-iOS-11 argument? What is the upside of keep using whatever you currently have (4th gen iPad, iPad Air, Air 2, 9.7" iPad Pro) compared to using the 10.5" iPad with iOS 10 until September? Earning interest for four months on the money not spend until September?

I think what the writer was trying to say was that the 10.5" iPad is pretty good today already, but it'll become even better when iOS 11 comes out.

Ha, yeah I don't get that either. As if getting it now will wear out some of the mhz and refresh rate and it'll be crappy by the time you're able to install iOS 11.

Not worth it. Why increase the screen size knowing the Microsoft Office Licence:

Microsoft: Office will be free for devices under 10 inches

Yes, Apple should thumb through all of Microsoft's fine print and plan their products accordingly. ;)
Maybe Microsoft will amend their requirements to 10.5" to maintain the status quo with that class of device.
 
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Seems to be an awesome pro level iPad..!!

But having said that I invested in iPad Pro 9.7 and its accessories like smart keyboard. So I would not be upgrading so soon, as with iOS 11, most the features should be available to my iPad too.

That's why I didn't get the Smart Keyboard and am using a cheap keys-to-go Bluetooth keyboard with mine. I just don't see the value in purchasing an accessory that's tied to a single device and which will die with it.
 
Most people don't care about X Code. Please stop using that as your argument
And most people can get by with an iPad - UNTIL they can't do something that a Mac/PC can do. You don't like X-Code as an excuse to NOT go the iPad route, but there are plenty of other things that just need to happen once, to be major inconvenience for this glorious 'iPad only' living.
 
Prices are ridiculous!!.After adding all extra-cost accessories it will cost as much as a New MacBook.

iPad 512 GB-$949
Apple Pencil-$99
Smart Keyboard-$159
Cover-$49
Total= $1256

Starting at $329 Suddenly! The New 9.7 iPad Feels more value for money.

I agree the price is pretty high, but If you are going to rant, at least be accurate and compare a 256 GB Macbook with 256 GB ipad. And exclude pencil and cover from ipad price as well.Suddenly it is not very comparable, is it.
 
I've owned 1 iPad (iPad 3), which broke 2 years ago. Haven't felt the need to buy a replacement and I still don't.
 
Can I run Adobe Premiere Pro on it? After Effects with 3d rendering? Cubase Pro with Vienna Mir and orchestral samples? ProTools?

Nope. Therefore, you are correct sir!

you are Right, but neither does my 13 inch macbook pro (2012), at least it can´t do it smoothly.
 
Yes, this is the ideal. It's what I thought would happen with Windows 10 and UWP, but it hasn't eventuated. Ideally each app would have a proper desktop mode and a proper touch mode.

Adobe has a touch workspace for Illustrator but I don't use it because it's half-arsed and limited. Nothing like what they demonstrated at MAX a couple of years ago for Photoshop: ie. a workspace that's fully optimized for touch. Never shipped.

What I've realised with my tablet PC is that most of the things I do when mobile are things that could be done more comfortably on an iPad Pro. Sketchbook Pro, viewing 3D models, Excel, web... without the weight and poor battery life.

It's a Wacom EMR device, which still offers the best drawing experience (alongside the Pencil IMO). Surface (MPP) and Wacom AES devices are lighter but the drawing experience is not there yet, and I think that's going to take yet another generation.

Yes, but please start thinking a bit: in Desktop-Mode the UI of the app is like macOS, in Touch-Mode the UI of the App is like iOS
 
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