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10.7.1 hides the ~/Library folder again

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On both my machines I unhid the ~/Libray folder using:

chflags nohidden ~/Library

Well....the 10.7.1 update re-hid them again.

WTF Apple?!? :mad:

If I'm smart enough to unhide them.....LEAVE them unhidden.

-Kevin
 
Tiki35 said:
I just hold Option in Finder, then choose the Go menu to show the Library.
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Yeah....that's not the point. I can use one of the 7000 methods to get in there. But when I set it to be shown.....Apple shouldn't be changing it back.

-Kevin
 
I have un hidden mine again

What I did notice, it stayed in the sidebar, wasnt removed from here
 
kbmb said:
On both my machines I unhid the ~/Libray folder using:

chflags nohidden ~/Library

Well....the 10.7.1 update re-hid them again.

WTF Apple?!? :mad:

If I'm smart enough to unhide them.....LEAVE them unhidden.

-Kevin
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I always expect if I modify system files or settings that weren't necessarily intended to be changed that they may be reverted when I update the system.

I do think Apple should put an option in Finder preferences to hide or unhide the Library folder. But really, it's not a big deal.
 
rorschach said:
But really, it's not a big deal.
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It is if you need to access Library folder contents on a regular basis.

Try hiding your Pictures folder, or your Movies folder or your Documents folder, whichever you use a lot. Entering eg "chflags hidden ~/Documents" in terminal will accomplish that. You can get along without seeing any of these just as well as some of us get along without seeing the Library folder. Then come back and tell us it's not a big deal.
 
Partron22 said:
It is if you need to access Library folder contents on a regular basis.

Try hiding your Pictures folder, or your Movies folder or your Documents folder, whichever you use a lot. Entering eg "chflags hidden ~/Documents" in terminal will accomplish that. You can get along without seeing any of these just as well as some of us get along without seeing the Library folder. Then come back and tell us it's not a big deal.
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I set a keyboard shortcut for my Library folder (Command-Shift-L) in System Preferences, I have it in the Finder sidebar, and I can access it from the Go menu.

So no, it's not a big deal.
 
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Partron22 said:
It is if you need to access Library folder contents on a regular basis.

Try hiding your Pictures folder, or your Movies folder or your Documents folder, whichever you use a lot. Entering eg "chflags hidden ~/Documents" in terminal will accomplish that. You can get along without seeing any of these just as well as some of us get along without seeing the Library folder. Then come back and tell us it's not a big deal.
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It's not a big deal for 99% of the users, since they never use the Library folder or use the other options of getting there mentioned in this topic. If you're such an advanced user that you spend all day in the Library folder, you should know by now that that's how Apple works. They compromise, and that 1% of users that's affected are just out of luck.

rorschach said:
I always expect if I modify system files or settings that weren't necessarily intended to be changed that they may be reverted when I update the system.
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I think that's a good point which would explain the change, e.g. when Apple assumes that showing the Library by default can only cause problems or confusion for the majority of its users. There's a reason they hid it in the first place. People who don't know any better think it's something for books or documents, or try deleting it since they have no idea what all that stuff is.
 
C64 said:
I think that's a good point which would explain the change, e.g. when Apple assumes that showing the Library by default can only cause problems or confusion for the majority of its users. There's a reason they hid it in the first place. People who don't know any better think it's something for books or documents, or try deleting it since they have no idea what all that stuff is.
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People need to make mistakes. This is how they learn. So tired of Apple coddling the masses. Starts to feel almost condescending in tone "You are too stupid to have tools at your disposal that you may misuse". How are we supposed to move forward technologically if all we give people are huge simple buttons (ie Google) and mystery rhetoric as to how it all works. Things should be getting more complicated not less.
 
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If you need to be messing with things in the library folder, you should probably be proficient enough with the terminal to not be relying on the GUI to do so.
 
Holy cow. So much mad blind defending if Apple blatantly deciding it knows better than the user what they want. This place has gone to the dogs, and then some :(. I'm sure people used to flame less around here. And the negs, oh the negs, I can feel them coming now :rolleyes:.

I like how Lion is all about efficiency. Features like autosave/versions mean more clicks to stop the system screwing with your files. Changes like this OP mean more work on our part to get back functionality we've always had and have no intention of giving up tyvm. You're all so ready to embrace HAL/Skynet it scares me. A big leap? I don't think so anymore.
 
rorschach said:
I always expect if I modify system files or settings that weren't necessarily intended to be changed that they may be reverted when I update the system.
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There's a small difference though:
A user's Library folder is not part of system files or system settings.

While I believe hiding the Library folder is a sensible default setting for most users, I also believe Apple should NOT subsequently mess with my personal settings, files and folders within my home folder.
 
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AppliedMicro said:
There's a small difference though:
A user's Library folder is not part of system files or system settings.

While I believe hiding the Library folder is a sensible default setting for most users, I also believe Apple should NOT subsequently mess with files and folders within my home folder.
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Just be glad the issue at hand is thwarted using a simple Terminal command. Can't say that for complete re-writes such as Mission Control which replaces Spaces and Expose' :(

The writing is on the wall people... "My way or the Highway".

And speaking of the mouse-happy cowardly neggers around here... I'm *really* going to pay some attention to Windows 8. :D
 
The 99% have much more money than the 1%, hence you are going to have to deal with it. If you are that much of a guru and need to be in there all the time, you should be smart enough to make an alias on your dock or sidebar. You could even be super high speed and have a keyboard shortcut to open the library folder. :rolleyes:
 
Just go back to 10.6.8 like I did, 10.7 is total garbage....

...and I am a BIG fan of Apple by the way.
 
Macshroomer said:
Just go back to 10.6.8 like I did, 10.7 is total garbage....

...and I am a BIG fan of Apple by the way.
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There's pieces of it that I absolutely love - Near instant access to desktop and wifi after login, Safari truly being snappy, versions, autosave, hidden scrollbars (finally).

There's pieces of it that I absolutely hate - Mission Control, Safari crashing multiple times a day, lack of color in Finder.
 
I go to User/Library/Application Support on a daily basis to fix things and manage my games (Steam, Minecraft). It's an absolute necessity for me, so not only do I need access to it, but I also need easy access to it. Opening the Finder, clicking Alt + Go and choosing Library from the list is NOT an easy and quick way of doing it. The Library is where all applications store their settings. It's where all the corrupted files are that you need to delete when something goes bad. It's where games put your saved games, and where Steam puts screenshots. It's where Crossover puts everything. When you delete an app, all the crap it created in Application Support is still there, forever, unless you manually delete it.

Apple is freaking retarded for hiding it. And if they let me unhide it, fine. Just don't keep hiding it at each ******** update! I'm not a virus that requires patching at each update, I'm a user, and I need access to most things on my computer, except the actual OS X files (though it happens that something needs to be done in there as well).
 
will this get hidden again if you do a repair permissions?

it will check the folder and think it should be hidden so re hide it
 
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