I've done that, I feel like it is not a throttling issue, because at the vey least then I would get decent FPS in the beginning when my temperature is at 40 degree celsius or below (wait, just kidding it almost always is at 55 or above because this computer is always hot even when I'm doing NOTHING).
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10.8.3 rMBP worse GPU performance
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I've done that, I feel like it is not a throttling issue, because at the vey least then I would get decent FPS in the beginning when my temperature is at 40 degree celsius or below (wait, just kidding it almost always is at 55 or above because this computer is always hot even when I'm doing NOTHING).
Yes, I completely agree with you. We should not settle but I can't do much as my machine is running ok now. I only play under boot camp so I can't talk about gaming under OSX.
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Take it in for repair imo. If it's hot when you're doing nothing, then something is wrong. It could be something as little as the sensors misbehaving.
I can't honestly say I've not experienced 'terrible performance' in any of my photographic or video post production and grading workflow...Premier, After Effects/In Design, Photoshop and Aperture...FCPx and Audition....Cinema 4D and Maya, my list goes on...and other than a couple of my choices haven't been updated for the HiDPI resolutions, they all work VERY well and extremely Fast!
We've got two rMBPs. Neither has these issues...but...we don't use Bootcamp, and we don't game! The rMBP isn't set up as a gaming laptop. I see you're relatively new here. Apple isn't nor hasn't been known to provide top shelf gaming experience in their products. There are plenty of options on the market, some configurations just as expensive as the rMBP from Alienware, Falcon, IBuyPower, etc, etc...While the price of the rMBP reflects a 'luxury/high end' example it computing---it absolutely IS! A professional machine (Check out Dell's Precision line) isn't optimized for gaming FPS. Many times, the graphics card choices reflect this. See the nVidia Quadro cards for example, working with 3D rendering and CAD/Scientific research a modeling in engineering.
Possibly you're looking in the wrong area for a gaming portable? While it's a compelling computer---and may in the future make sense for gaming, as it is, I think you may be expecting something different than Apple had in mind.
Just my $.02
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Quite understandable. In the end it is a machine for productivity, not games. That is completely understood; however, if it can't run a game from 2010/2009 on low settings with an overclocked GPU and CPU that have 3-5x more performance that my original GPU and CPU (GT 540M and Intel Dual Core) there is a problem. They admitted it at the store once (but that was due to the 14 day no-questions-asked policy, although let me tell you, there were a lot of questions), but I doubt it will happen again.
I'm not expecting to play SC on 2880 x 1800 but right now I'm literally playing at the lowest settings on lowest graphic levels and there are people with Macbook Airs getting better FPS. For the love of god. T_T The reason I keep posting in this thread is not only to raise awareness of this issue, but in case anyone has potential solutions!!
SOMEONE SOLVE THIS PLEASE D:
The only problem is that my last machine also had a "heating" problem and they claimed it was nothing the last time so I have a feeling that they will have a similar or comparable response.
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Well overall since the new firmware update and 10.8.3 my own 2.3 Retina runs just as well, actually a little better. I can now play The Witched 2 on Ultra, (AA & SSAO off) large textures @ 1440x900.
I can play at 1680x1050 at reduced settings (high), however the game definitely is more fluid and looks generally better at 1440x900 likely as the game is optimised for the Retina display, with 2880 and 1440 being the first two preferred resolutions. Gaming temps don't generally exceed 85C for CPU & GPU which is reasonable given the load.
My Retina never previously had and throttling issues, nor does it have today, idle temp is approximately the same as before firmware/software updates. I don't run Windows on my Retina, all the same everything under OS X is running good as before, if not better. Idle temp is 40C @24C ambient with a few additional background process`s running, Wifi connected.
I can play at 1680x1050 at reduced settings (high), however the game definitely is more fluid and looks generally better at 1440x900 likely as the game is optimised for the Retina display, with 2880 and 1440 being the first two preferred resolutions. Gaming temps don't generally exceed 85C for CPU & GPU which is reasonable given the load.
My Retina never previously had and throttling issues, nor does it have today, idle temp is approximately the same as before firmware/software updates. I don't run Windows on my Retina, all the same everything under OS X is running good as before, if not better. Idle temp is 40C @24C ambient with a few additional background process`s running, Wifi connected.
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This seems to be a problem that is specific to the Mac OS X (and the rMBP model?) because when I still had Bootcamp the programs worked fine. However, I would like to be able to play all games on the native OS of this machine. I didn't buy a Mac to use Windows... Otherwise I would've bought a PC!
I think I may bring it into the shop although I don't have high hopes for a resolution.
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Seems a bit drastic no? What sort of OS X files could have been corrupted to cause such a gap in performance? I believe it is OS X related (considering Bootcamp had optimal performance) so your solution seems viable, yet the idea of there being something in the EFI files or whatever related might be more likely (considering most people have reported this as the issue). I'm sorry, I just don't want to have to re-install in vain.
Doing a factory reset now.
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Well as I am posting on this thread again. You can guess problems have surfaced.
Tonight using Bootcamp playing BF3.
1280 x 800
Low settingsFPS = 20 - 30
Not happy. I know it is not a gaming machine, and not looking for it too be. Just want to be able to have a hit once a week with a mate. However at that FPS it is not playable.
Tonight using Bootcamp playing BF3.
1280 x 800
Low settingsFPS = 20 - 30
Not happy. I know it is not a gaming machine, and not looking for it too be. Just want to be able to have a hit once a week with a mate. However at that FPS it is not playable.
I think thats a load of crap though.
They advertise it as a machine that is capable at gaming. They even highlight it on the website;
http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/performance-retina/
Somebody needs to call them out on this. On the whole gaming debacle. They have been doing poor in this frontier, and that was a mistake. Steve Jobs used to say that it was silly and unimportant, but we all know that gaming is a big part of our culture and it's completely in the mainstream, and within the top 5 things use their computers for in the larger scheme of things.
Macbook Pros should be excellent at this. Just like they are excellent editing machines. The internals are powerful, this is a flaw in the firmware, not the hardware and not in OSX. This is a fixable mistake.
So let's not cower behind the bush and start believing in something so stupid as "mac is not designed to run games". OSX might not have DirectX but we are way past this archaic bullcrap argument.
I have done some further research and testing. And I have found a fault (I think).
I run Cupid Hardware monitor in Bootcamp and then run iStat 4 in OSX.
Left Fan is not running.
If my research is correct, the Left fan is situated above the GPU.
I noticed that the CPU topped out at 105C and the GPU at 95C before it stated to drop. However the Left Fan did not register at all.
I think I will be visiting the Apple store on Monday after Easter.
I run Cupid Hardware monitor in Bootcamp and then run iStat 4 in OSX.
Left Fan is not running.
If my research is correct, the Left fan is situated above the GPU.
I noticed that the CPU topped out at 105C and the GPU at 95C before it stated to drop. However the Left Fan did not register at all.
I think I will be visiting the Apple store on Monday after Easter.
With all respect, I completely disagree. The rMBP has the hardware and the performance of a fairly decent gaming laptop, and in fact it is the most portable gaming laptop currently available. I also don't understand why you mention the Quadro line, as the rMBP does not use any kind of professional graphics whatsoever. Of course, buying the rMBP solely for gaming is not a good investment, but the laptop is able to play ANY game with good settings and good performance.
You probably found the culprit. I told you that something must be wrong with your rMBP. They run hot (mine does) but not that hot. Right now, I have 6 tabs open on Chrome and a Vodafone app for the 3G USB stick and the CPU is running at 51ºC and the GPU at 39ºC.
Hey y'all. Issue seems to be resolved (FOR NOW). I factory reset the entire retina Macbook Pro.
I didn't recover from Time Machine or keep any files (besides those I saved to my external HDD). I deleted everything through recovery mode, then used the recovery partition to download and denied all access to recover old files.
Thank you Mr. MM!
I didn't recover from Time Machine or keep any files (besides those I saved to my external HDD). I deleted everything through recovery mode, then used the recovery partition to download and denied all access to recover old files.
Thank you Mr. MM!
given that the major perception was that this solved the underutilization problem for games, according to a dear friend not for pro software, a bad update would be the probable cause
I agree that buying a rMBP solely for gaming would be a mistake, but I, like you, like to occasionally game, and this laptop can support that. I only play major titles anyways so I'm unlikely to run into any issues with FPS, etc.
Mine sits at 31°C/34°C at idle (Chrome w/40 tabs, iTunes, Twitter, Mail running) at 18-20°C ambient...I don't understand how the Apple "Genius's" couldn't detect a bad update. Nor how I received a bad update when everyone is downloading the same file from the App Store.
You are an anomaly (I think). From what I've read the average temperature is between 45-50 degree Celsius idle. Quite impressed.
Wow, that is absolutely great and NOT normal.
what would they use to detect that this has gone wrong? would they check hex by hex to see if they all match, and the probability that they do and in the end something blotched up.
Its basically guess work most of the time. Though people dont receive well the idea of formatin their comps
Very much depends on the temperature monitors software, some have yet to be updated for latest CPU`s. Typical 15" Retina idle is low 40C, i can replicate low 30`s by using an outdated app, which is likely the case here.
Ideally you run a checksum of each file in the system folder against a known good checksum, and if the checksum matches, you can know for certain that your files exist and aren't corrupted.
Given the highlighted non-best practices Apple was using on their iForgot password reset system, I wouldn't be surprised if they aren't doing this either, but ideally, you get the idea...
I dont't know why but i know the 650M from rMbp vs 650M imac is better thanks to vram. On imac you can play on 1080p Battlefield 3 on low+medium for 35fps. And someone here said that he can't play on 768p with everything low. So i am sure that is a problem in the rMbp software. 650M is a very capable and for gaming as well.