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Glad we have the 4 GB Ram now identified. Is Apple going to greatly increase app caching (128 GB storage) in a future tvOS update?
 
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For those pondering upgrade from Apple TV 4K 2nd generation, and with LG TVs (including 2022 models), LG does not support HDR10+; they say their dynamic tone mapping is as good. There is no reason to upgrade (faster processor is not important, even with their gaming).

Next worthy upgrade is Wi-Fi 6E (6 GHz) or Wi-Fi 7 (multi link) and/or some sort of meaningful support for premium home theater (5.1.2 with Dolby Atmos for example, with discrete speakers).
 
Can somebody tell me the point of the Apple TV? Genuine question.

We have a smart TV and it's just simpler to use its own apps for things like Netflix or Amazon Prime, rather than mess around switching HDMI input and booting-up the Apple TV (which we do have, albeit an older one).

If I want to watch Apple TV shows then I do so on my phone, or MacBook.

Just about the only reason I've ever seen anybody use an Apple TV is for beaming photos onto the big TV screen. But that's not exactly an everyday thing.
I use mine for streaming Apple music through my system(s) It's much more streamlined and smoother than airplaying it with a phone/ipad. I have 7 tvs in my house. Not all are smart TVs. All of their interfaces are inconsistent and glitchy. I can play music throughout the house with the Apple tvs. User experience is just more consistent and familiar. And there is never a need of "booting-up" an Apple tv and with my universal remote the HDMI switching is done automatically when I choose watch Apple tv. It may not be something for you but I'd hate to live without it.

Oh and I'm not watching any shows on my macbook or phone when I have a 85 inch tv to watch them on.
 
Can somebody tell me the point of the Apple TV? Genuine question.

We have a smart TV and it's just simpler to use its own apps for things like Netflix or Amazon Prime, rather than mess around switching HDMI input and booting-up the Apple TV (which we do have, albeit an older one).

If I want to watch Apple TV shows then I do so on my phone, or MacBook.

Just about the only reason I've ever seen anybody use an Apple TV is for beaming photos onto the big TV screen. But that's not exactly an everyday thing.

Anytime I pose a similar question, the response has always been Apple's user interface is superior.
It probably is in many cases, but the question is, is it $129 USD better?
 
I don't understand why the Apple TV needs so much storage. It is mostly a streaming machine, it should be able to operate with 32 GB (and then by available for less than $100).
You mean like the Roku Ultra, which has Ethernet.
 
Apple TV kind of confuses me. Is it that much better than just using the Apple TV app on an OLED LG tv?

AppleTV the app is like any individual app on a Mac, iPhone or iPad.

AppleTV the hardware is much more like the Mac, iPhone or iPad in that it is capable of running MANY apps beyond only that one.

I understand the confusion due to Apple choosing to use the same name for 2 very different things.
 
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This product still seeking a reason to exist. Given AirPlay to Mac has been incorporated a couple years ago, most TV’s support AirPlay and AppleTV+, capable to run iOS apps on an Apple Silicon Mac. Barring cost a M1 MacMini from the refurb store is a better deal and better capable device, I am sure there are some Bluetooth remotes and mice that can control macOS. Who remembers when some Mac hardware included a remote control.
Most TVs can still not play my Apple Music while displaying all the family photos stored in the cloud. It has apps and lots of other things no TV has.
 
Still lacking AV1 and VP9 hardware decode, browser support, external USB storage support, app sideloading, etc. that a $40 Fire TV Stick 4K has. Apple TV 4K is heavily locked down for consuming Apple paid content that it should be heavily subsidized to half the price. Storage is so cheap these days that Micro Center is giving out 256GB SSD for free.

Have you used a Fire TV stick though? Mine is the most frustrating UI and lagtastic experience that I wouldn’t use it for free. Replaced it with an older ATV and couldn’t be happier!
 
I guess to each his own. To me, the Apple TV interface is way nicer and easier to use than the Google TV that comes on my Sony Bravia TV. The GTV interface is clunky, hard to navigate and is dull and looks bad. It's a pain to update apps and the OS. I also don't need to see all these promotions for other TV shows and movies all over the home screen. I will take the ATV interface all day. Also, I don't want to watch premium Apple TV+ shows (or any other shows/movies, for that matter) on a phone or computer screen. I have a big screen TV for a reason and I want to watch everything on it.
Exactly! This.
 
Can somebody tell me the point of the Apple TV? Genuine question.

We have a smart TV and it's just simpler to use its own apps for things like Netflix or Amazon Prime, rather than mess around switching HDMI input and booting-up the Apple TV (which we do have, albeit an older one).

If I want to watch Apple TV shows then I do so on my phone, or MacBook.

Just about the only reason I've ever seen anybody use an Apple TV is for beaming photos onto the big TV screen. But that's not exactly an everyday thing.
I use mine for what its intended for, streaming.

Streaming TV's are so underpowered and so bad, they're practically worthless.

I dont have to boot anything special. I press the power button on my Apple TV remote and it turns the box on, TV and sounder all on. And when Im done, it turns everything off.
 
I have the basic Fire Stick ($19) with an add-on ethernet dongle ($14). Total, $33. It runs the Apple TV app.
I have more than one Roku and more than one Fire Stick.
Don't like the Android TV look and feel of Fire Stick.
Some like Fire TV because you can side load apps, making it more like Android.
The Silk browser is a plus even if it is clunky to use with the remote, or even the app.
Roku is so easy, even a caveman could use it. HA!
 
I have the basic Fire Stick ($19) with an add-on ethernet dongle ($14). Total, $33. It runs the Apple TV app.

I have a smart TV which came with the AppleTV app for "free."

I also have multiple AppleTV STBs which also run the AppleTV app... and a whole bunch of other apps too.

AppleTV STB is not only AppleTV the app anymore than iPhone is not only a telephone.

That shared though: nothing wrong with Firestick. If it does what you want, that's a great bargain vs. AppleTV pricing.
 
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This product still seeking a reason to exist. Given AirPlay to Mac has been incorporated a couple years ago, most TV’s support AirPlay and AppleTV+, capable to run iOS apps on an Apple Silicon Mac. Barring cost a M1 MacMini from the refurb store is a better deal and better capable device, I am sure there are some Bluetooth remotes and mice that can control macOS. Who remembers when some Mac hardware included a remote control.

Agree a totally pointless device.

I thought for sure it was gone when they put the full TV App out on all the other platforms and licensed Airplay to third parties.
 
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Those groups either have an iPad or or Phone. Most TV’s have AirPlay support and there are better options for those groups to casually game or even step up to advance games for a fraction of the cost and more capable compared to an AppleTV.

A fraction of the cost? Even a switch is $300 and the games are like $60 each.
 
For an Environmentally Conscience company that Apple is trying to market itself as, AppleTV is a wasteful product. Make it software based and license it to other tv manufacturers. Given that most tv’s come with GoogleTV/AndroidTV, Roku or WebOS built-in who is buying this wasteful device. Once iPhone goes USB-C people have the option of a HDMI connection.
Yup. Seems like a waste of chips to have (nearly) the same hardware in a box next to your smart TV. But the UI is really great. Less clunky than eg what’s on LGs TV. The remote and how you interact and control with it is also great. Don’t know how the new one works, but the small glass-one with swipe gestures is really great.
 
Those groups either have an iPad or or Phone. Most TV’s have AirPlay support and there are better options for those groups to casually game or even step up to advance games for a fraction of the cost and more capable compared to an AppleTV.
App makers get analytics and usage data. If people weren't gaming on Apple TV, developers wouldn't waste their time and resources on something that's not being used. It's why we've seen many stop adding Apple Watch components, as the investment in time and labor simply wasn't worth it for how few made use of those features.
 
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For those pondering upgrade from Apple TV 4K 2nd generation, and with LG TVs (including 2022 models), LG does not support HDR10+; they say their dynamic tone mapping is as good. There is no reason to upgrade (faster processor is not important, even with their gaming).

Next worthy upgrade is Wi-Fi 6E (6 GHz) or Wi-Fi 7 (multi link) and/or some sort of meaningful support for premium home theater (5.1.2 with Dolby Atmos for example, with discrete speakers).
what apps even support HDR10+? Have to see if my TV supports it. (LG C8)
If not I'll stick with my current 4k.
It's pretty unclear marketing at this point regarding HDR10+. It was supposed to be a TVOS 16 feature, not tied to hardware. It's just a bit of metadata after all.

But it's hard to verify if older models can support it as the apps themselves must be updated to fetch video with HDR10+ metadata.
 
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