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Exactly. Not buying a phone because the shade isn’t dark enough and too blue sounds like you don’t need a. Ew phone anyway. Most people don’t care about the color once they actually use the phone.
No matter what colour you pick when you look at your screen its the same black ring around it!

Having said that I still wouldn't pick orange ;)
 
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I will add three more:

1. Loose screens making clicking sounds or air puff soundsz

2. USB-C charging make an static noise which can be heard if you record videos while on a powerbank.

3. Mechanical noises from the camera.
 
There’s an 11th reason to wait : anti reflective display. The iPhone is way behind Samsung on this matter
 
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No matter what colour you pick when you look at your screen its the same black ring around it!

Having said that I still wouldn't pick orange ;)
I not entirely. I had the iPhone X in black and didn’t like it at all, because even when the thing came out the bezels were pretty thick, and (space) black didn’t help that. I was very happy with my iPhone 11 Pro in white even though it had the same width.
Nowadays, the bezels are sooo thin it really doesn’t matter what color you get, but 10 years ago color was able to make a real difference in how you perceive your iPhone.
 
To be fair, it's harder to identify sarcasm when what it's mocking has become so common and receives support from others.
That’s true. I knew that when posting it but I didn’t expect all the Cook haters to hide today.
Obviously I wasn’t serious, Cook held the company together even under the current US government, and for that alone we have to thank him.
 
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Apple, please give us a black iPhone Pro! Not having it black was the main reason I did not upgrade from iPhone 13 Pro this year, even though I wanted to!
I knew this would be an upgrade year for me before the colors were announced. I ended up with an iPhone 17 Pro Max with a black leather case from Nomad and it’s been fantastic. Would I have preferred black? Absolutely 100%, but it didn’t stop me from upgrading this year from my iPhone 13 Pro Max. So now the back of my iPhone has a mostly black look with a deep blue cutout at the top. I don’t look at it & hate it, it is what it is: The best new iPhone upgrade I could make this year. No regrets about getting it. I do hope in 4 more years they will have a black iPhone Pro Max, but who knows? As for the person not seeing them in the real world, I’m not surprised as I usually travel with my phone in my pocket listening to music on my AAPs 3.
 
With that leaks and rumors - Just buy base 17 as it a better value overall then wait for Pro anniversary edition at 2027

Just buy base 17 as it a better value overall then wait for Pro anniversary edition at 2027 because the base 17 exists as a buyable product now and the iPhones 18 (whatever version) and the pro anniversary edition don’t exist as buyable products now.

It tends tobe a better plan to buy something that exists than something that doesn’t exist.
 
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…and the heaviest, sounds like. Wife had that heaviest on record years ago and that thing was a chunk. Not looking forward to that, to be honest. Battery is good enough on these 17PMs. Bring better battery to the iPP13s!
Maybe an improved Air 2 will tempt some people interested in the 18PM to switch for the lighter weight?
 
As always it is nice to see early rumors regarding future devices. Think it will have yearly small improvements along with some camera upgrades. Think I won't be upgrading from my Orange 17 Pro Max. Love my new iPhone very much. Think I am more interested with the foldable next year and the 20th anniversary iPhone.
 
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Slightly heavier and an hour additional battery life probably. Faster. Improved cameras. Losing the two-tone design for a more seamless colour transition between rear materials (glass/metal). Those are basic updates, but they are the main ones people care about IRL. Would like to see a third size around 5.7-inch, in addition to 6.3 and 6.9. No sub-naming (Max, mini, plus, etc), no numbering (18), just a good pro iPhone as one cohesive pro line in three sizes.
So if they're going to be using the 2nm, a more power efficient chip, why the need for the bigger battery? This makes no sense at all.
 
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So if they're going to be using the 2nm, a more power efficient chip, why the need for the bigger battery? This makes no sense at all.
I don't know what chip they are using, but the competition on the Android side likes to add bigger batteries for longer battery life. It's only grams heavier, really.
 
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„Thicker Chassis
Bigger Battery?
According to one rumor, the body of the iPhone 18 Pro Max will be slightly thicker than the iPhone 17 Pro Max, raising the device's weight to around 243 grams. That would make next year's iPhone 18 Pro Max approximately 3 grams more than the iPhone 14 Pro Max, which is currently the heaviest model Apple has produced. We don't know the exact reason for the alleged thicker design of the iPhone 18 Pro Max, but a larger battery is the most likely cause“



That is surely not the reason for a thicker iP 18 ProMax !
if it is only 3 gramms heavier this is not possible for the very heavy specific weight of batteries.

The real reason is for sure the new lens with bigger diameter and ZOOM-lens ! since a long time the lenses are the most longer part that must be positioned in an 90 degree-angle to the surface-layer of the iPhone.
So, a even more longer ZOOM-lens has to expand its length for opto-physical reasons and will therefore result in an thicker iPhone.

Maybe also the three-layer sensor made by Samsung adds as a reason for a little bit more weight and thicker dimensions.

I recommended not to buy the very first iP 18Pro but to wait at least 6 months before purchase:
zoom-lenses, especially those with a wide diameter are prone to mechanical problems… as was already the case with more simply constructed „tele“-lenses in some 3-lens pro-iPhones… which showed to be much more critical than those iPhones with „only“ 2 lenses…

It has often been smart not to purchase immediately after they hit the market - because apple products with „very impressing new technical features“ have failed often enough to pass the only important test for reliability by being used 6-12 months by apple-customers in real life….

remember the „not-so-convincing C1-modem“ or the catastrophically overheating „fantastic iPhone housing made of Titanium“ - which has been sopped after 2 generations of iPnone pro models…
and so on like overheating of the soldered GPUs of the trash-bin MacPros - which not only had this nickname because they had the shape, but have been literally trash-bins for their users…

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„Thicker Chassis
Bigger Battery?
According to one rumor, the body of the iPhone 18 Pro Max will be slightly thicker than the iPhone 17 Pro Max, raising the device's weight to around 243 grams. That would make next year's iPhone 18 Pro Max approximately 3 grams more than the iPhone 14 Pro Max, which is currently the heaviest model Apple has produced. We don't know the exact reason for the alleged thicker design of the iPhone 18 Pro Max, but a larger battery is the most likely cause“



That is surely not the reason for a thicker iP 18 ProMax !
if it is only 3 gramms heavier this is not possible for the very heavy specific weight of batteries.

The real reason is for sure the new lens with bigger diameter and ZOOM-lens ! since a long time the lenses are the most longer part that must be positioned in an 90 degree-angle to the surface-layer of the iPhone.
So, a even more longer ZOOM-lens has to expand its length for opto-physical reasons and will therefore result in an thicker iPhone.

Maybe also the three-layer sensor made by Samsung adds as a reason for a little bit more weight and thicker dimensions.

I recommended not to buy the very first iP 18Pro but to wait at least 6 months before purchase:
zoom-lenses, especially those with a wide diameter are prone to mechanical problems… as was already the case with more simply constructed „tele“-lenses in some 3-lens pro-iPhones… which showed to be much more critical than those iPhones with „only“ 2 lenses…

It has often been smart not to purchase immediately after they hit the market - because apple products with „very impressing new technical features“ have failed often enough to pass the only important test for reliability by being used 6-12 months by apple-customers in real life….

remember the „not-so-convincing C1-modem“ or the catastrophically overheating „fantastic iPhone housing made of Titanium“ - which has been sopped after 2 generations of iPnone pro models…
and so on like overheating of the soldered GPUs of the trash-bin MacPros - which not only had this nickname because they had the shape, but have been literally trash-bins for their users…

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Eh, Mac Pro 6,1s had GPUs on sockets removable cards, they were NOT soldered onto the motherboard ( the 6,1 didn’t”t h motherboard as such.

The problem was not that the cmGPUs were not replaceable, they were, it was that replacements were very hard to source.

The far larger problem with the 6,1 GPUs was software, but hardware - the 6,1 had two discrete GPUs but neither Apple nor 3rd parties provided much support for multiple GPUs.

The other huge problem with the 6,1 was thermal management.

Non of the problems of the 6,1 was because of everything was “soldered-on”. All the main components ( CPU, GPU, RAM, storage) were slotted or socketed, and it was only the GPUs that were uncommon - you can put in a standard Xeon of appropriate vintage, standard RAM and a standard NVMe ( with a $5- adaptor).
 
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I’ve seen one person with a Pro Max at Walmart. She was using it while paying with food stamps.
I see the 17 Pro Max all the time in the wild, mainly the Cosmic Orange and Deep Blue ones. I've never seen the regular 17 Pro or Air though. I wouldn't know about the regular 17, since most people have a case on their phone and it's the same design as the 16.
 
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I see the 17 Pro Max all the time in the wild, mainly the Cosmic Orange and Deep Blue ones. I've never seen the regular 17 Pro though or Air though. I wouldn't know about the regular 17 though, since most people have a case on their phone and it's the same design as the 16.
That's something I really like about the regular 17 - it deliberately doesn't signpost "look at me, I've the latest iPhone!" I hope they keep to that.
 
I don't know what chip they are using, but the competition on the Android side likes to add bigger batteries for longer battery life. It's only grams heavier, really.
Well, obviously that's why they would add a bigger battery. My point is: with the more power efficient 2nm chips on next year's Pro, why would they need to?

I'm guessing Apple's probably just trying to hit an arbitrary marketing number of hours spec, like 45 hours (the 17 Pro Max has "up to 39 hours" by comparison).
 
Eh, Mac Pro 6,1s had GPUs on sockets removable cards, they were NOT soldered onto the motherboard ( the 6,1 didn’t”t h motherboard as such.

The problem was not that the cmGPUs were not replaceable, they were, it was that replacements were very hard to source.

The far larger problem with the 6,1 GPUs was software, but hardware - the 6,1 had two discrete GPUs but neither Apple nor 3rd parties provided much support for multiple GPUs.

The other huge problem with the 6,1 was thermal management.

Non of the problems of the 6,1 was because of everything was “soldered-on”. All the main components ( CPU, GPU, RAM, storage) were slotted or socketed, and it was only the GPUs that were uncommon - you can put in a standard Xeon of appropriate vintage, standard RAM and a standard NVMe ( with a $5- adaptor).

Well,
if you read again my comment, you will understand that my focus-point was the catastrophically overheating of the „Trash-bin“ MacPros… and the first MacPro in the trash-can-design did NOT allow to exchange the GPU - this was only possible if made by third party, even apple themself denied to do this. But they were forced to change their design later on, after thousends of trash-can Macs had dead GPUs, so some years later the GPUs were made exchangeable again. BUT NOT at the very beginning of the trash-can-era… just take a look at the wikipedia-article about the MacPro-models… ;-)

At the very beginning of the trash-can-era this moel was presented by apple as a sensationally new design NOT even needing a ventilator - because of its „chimney-effect“ type perfectly cooling… which cannot work even only regarding the very little height of the trash-bin design… apple seems to ignore even the most basic rules of science…

another scandal about apple ignoring the most basic rules of science:
The systematic overheating of the high-end iPhone 15 und 16 Pro-Models when in heavy usage (leading to high amounts of heat in the iPhone housing) was absolutely predictable as well - because the specific thermal absorption capacity („Specific heat coefficient“) as the nearly only factor for transmission of heat from inside to the outside - of titanium is only 50% the capability of aluminium… what are the „developing“ engineers at apple paid for ? dreaming ?

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Well, obviously that's why they would add a bigger battery. My point is: with the more power efficient 2nm chips on next year's Pro, why would they need to?
Honestly I think competition is still the reason. Some companies are opting for silicon-carbon batteries and pushing things forward, they could make the phones even thinner for a lighter phone, but are often opting to push more mAh.

Example:

iPhone 17 Pro Max 4,823 mAh (physical SIM variant)
iPhone 17 Pro Max 5,088 mAh (eSIM-only variant)

OnePlus 13 (6000mAh silicon-carbon battery)
Xiaomi 17 Pro Max (7500mAh silicon-carbon battery)
 
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