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iPad mini $100 more for Touch ID and gold option?

afsnyder said:
How is that insulting? Unless you pre-ordered it before they announced it (which is impossible), they owe you nothing. Unless they ditch support, or take away features from the previous Minis... there really isn't much you can argue.
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I'm not saying they owed me anything, but this is arguably the worst "refresh" of any modern Apple product. There hasn't been a worse "upgrade" I remember in all of my years using Apple products. No iDevice has ever seen an update this poor, and I expected better from Apple, especially because the Mini has been very successful for them.

To not include a new chip in the iPad is just puzzling to me. It's literally last year tech at the same price.
 
Cool Pup said:
To not include a new chip in the iPad is just puzzling to me. It's literally last year tech at the same price.
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I think it's more surprising that it had the A7 last year. I'm not surprised they think they can get two years out of it, especially, if they're tacking on the Touch ID.
 
afsnyder said:
How is that insulting? Unless you pre-ordered it before they announced it (which is impossible), they owe you nothing. Unless they ditch support, or take away features from the previous Minis... there really isn't much you can argue.
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We're users of a product line that they have established. Most are probably using these as leisure devices, but some of us use these devices for work or tasks beyond the proverbial Angry Birds. We expect that Apple will update the product line alongside its other products. When Apple doesn't, it's strange. The insult is in the insinuation that they don't care about this product line, and by extension, about your business. That we're not important to them. Apple had already engineered the A8X; how much more effort would it have taken to drop it into a new iPad mini? If they wanted to reserve it for their flagship product (iPad Air 2), then what held them back from putting in even an A8?

It's true that Apple owes us nothing beyond what we've already paid for, and we have nobody to fault but ourselves for having expectations that led to our being disappointed. But when you have a company as large and resourceful as Apple, it's difficult to believe that lack of upgrades and modifications is due to lack of resources; rather, it seems deliberate. Why offer the product if you're going to neglect it and the people who have come to rely on it?
 
If they do not give the Air2 proper ram upgrades, I might just buy another rMini 2 and deal with the limitations. Silly to put out the extra $ when Apple isn't on the ball.

Regarding this new Mini, it would have a wiser decision to hold off releasing it because gold and touch id is not worth $100.
 
jonnyb098 said:
Apple introduces iPad mini 3 that sucks.....people flock to the cheaper iPad mini 2 as a great deal = Apple makes billions. #marketing
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I don't agree:

1. most people that want a mini, already have one.
2. people have to be given a reason to replace something that already works.

if a person wants a mini, the vast majority already have one and Apple would have made MUCH more money if they gave the mini owners a reason to buy a new mini.

Apple saw that with the Air, the Air got all the goodies Apple could throw at it.

If Apple followed what you said, why did they upgrade the Air? They could have added only the touchid to the Air2 and then the Air1 would be as you say #marketing.

How would this marketing rule apply to one and not the other.
 
$100 more for Touch ID and gold option?

KarlJay said:
I don't agree:



1. most people that want a mini, already have one.

2. people have to be given a reason to replace something that already works.



if a person wants a mini, the vast majority already have one and Apple would have made MUCH more money if they gave the mini owners a reason to buy a new mini.



Apple saw that with the Air, the Air got all the goodies Apple could throw at it.



If Apple followed what you said, why did they upgrade the Air? They could have added only the touchid to the Air2 and then the Air1 would be as you say #marketing.



How would this marketing rule apply to one and not the other.
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Maybe they're not planning on going any further with the Mini now that there's the iPhone 6+. Seems like smaller tablets are going bye bye as phones have gotten larger. In the Android world (I also have a Nexus 7 tablet) they seem to be doing the same thing...phasing out their smaller tablets. I was expecting the Nexus 7 to continue, but instead they moved to the Nexus 9, which is larger as the name implies. And no more bargain either. The nexus 7 used to be well below the $200 price point. Now the Nexus 9 is $399.. Guess that means my nexus 7 is the end of the road. When I hold my iPhone 6+ up to my Nexus 7 it becomes clear why the smaller tablets are going out. The tablet is not that much bigger than my phone, though interestingly it is the same shape as the phone, unlike the iPad which still retains the 4:3 shape like old TVs. I actually like the Nexus7/iphone shape better. The nexus 9 by the way appears to have the same shape as the iPad.
 
KarlJay said:
I don't agree:

1. most people that want a mini, already have one.
2. people have to be given a reason to replace something that already works.

if a person wants a mini, the vast majority already have one and Apple would have made MUCH more money if they gave the mini owners a reason to buy a new mini.

Apple saw that with the Air, the Air got all the goodies Apple could throw at it.

If Apple followed what you said, why did they upgrade the Air? They could have added only the touchid to the Air2 and then the Air1 would be as you say #marketing.

How would this marketing rule apply to one and not the other.
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Because Apple is clearly putting all their weight behind the iPad Air 2 and thats just the facts. Everyone all over the web and tech news sites are baffled by the iPad mini 3. It doesn't make sense other than to just have the option to make money on it some way possible because sales are probably flat. This entire round of iPad updates this year is a big test theory. They want to see if putting all their bets on the iPad Air will pay off with consumers. If theres any hope for split screen multitasking, theres no way it'll happen with a mini.

They are doing to the mini exactly what they did to the iPod Touch. And we all know how dead the touch is about to be. Next year the mini will be 2 generations behind in processor technology. The iPod Touch will be 4 years behind. It already ran iOS 7 like garbage. Prepare the coffins.
 
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jonnyb098 said:
Because Apple is clearly putting all their weight behind the iPad Air 2 and thats just the facts. Everyone all over the web and tech news sites are baffled by the iPad mini 3. It doesn't make sense other than to just have the option to make money on it some way possible because sales are probably flat. This entire round of iPad updates this year is a big test theory. They want to see if putting all their bets on the iPad Air will pay off with consumers. If theres any hope for split screen multitasking, theres no way it'll happen with a mini.

They are doing to the mini exactly what they did to the iPod Touch. And we all know how dead the touch is about to be. Next year the mini will be 2 generations behind in processor technology. The iPod Touch will be 4 years behind. It already ran iOS 7 like garbage. Prepare the coffins.
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I see your point. I think and hope their test fails. The iPhone6+ is pricy when you add it all up.

They could be trying to keep the profits as people look at their desk and see too many devices with the only difference being 2" of screen, in that case, the less profit ones will be dropped.

The US market is VERY different and no longer considers 'the' growth market. US has some 350M people, China alone has 1B over our 350M... I heard the average factory worker in China makes $600 USD, that makes the Air2 near 1 mo gross... The ave income in the US is about $50K... that's like asking Americans to pay some $4,200 for an Air2 ... not going to happen.

Apple is going to have a tough time getting large (relative) percentages of China/India without rethinking the price point. Saving hundreds or more, on a device (Mini vs iPhone6+) is a much bigger deal there than it is here (US).

Apple also needs to consider the cost to businesses, having been in the loop for years, some buy all name brand, others buy clone PCs... The price is huge. Apple is overlooking a huge market.

Look back at the IBM PC vs Clones ... IBM could have ruled that market, yet Dell, Compaq, Acer and many others ate it up.

Just like Apple had the GUI OS PC owned, they lost that to Microsoft, even with a better OS, Apple still lost that for many years.

I've never bought a "brand name" PC, the businesses that did, always held on to them much longer. The users ended up with slower outdated name brand PC vs clones that could be update with ease.

I know, times have changed and now Apple is doing well in PCs, but I'm talking about the old days and MS is really screwing up bad.

I'm just pissed right now, I know what I want and it's not for sale... Wanted a Mini3 with Air2 specs :(
 
KarlJay said:
I don't agree:

1. most people that want a mini, already have one.
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No.

I would have bought a mini if it were available when I bought my iPad. Like many people I bought the iPad 2 when it came out. Unlike the iPad 1, there has been no real reason to buy a new iPad because the 2 still works just fine and runs iOS 8. I've had it for almost 4 years, and if my son hadn't put a crack in the side of the screen last month, I may well have waited until next year to replace it.

You have to be some kind of clown to update every year. 2 years is a bit much, but 3-4 is quite reasonable. I would wager that there are an awful lot of people who have an old iPad who are going to upgrade this year, and both retina minis are going to appeal to a lot of them, and, as I said above, Touch ID is a must have for some people.

After all, iPads are a walled garden and many people will have invested quite a bit of money on apps. The bulk of upgrades have to happen at some point.

They are doing to the mini exactly what they did to the iPod Touch.
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lol It's too popular for that. More likely to be thermal issues.

Apple will sell a ton of mini 2s this year. They are insanely cheap for what you get.

I'm just pissed right now, I know what I want and it's not for sale... Wanted a Mini3 with Air2 specs
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Fair enough. People got a mini with air specs last year, and were surprised. Back to normal this year.
 
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You noticed that I said "most" ... before the "upgrade" there were 2 minis, and they have been out of 2 something years.

IMO, the Mini2 was a hit, nice product overall, people that wanted one, bought one.

If I'm wrong, then the Mini sales would nearly double with this new release.

When I say "most that want", I'm not thinking of dreamers that'll never buy or can't buy, I'm talking about those that can buy.

Expect to see the sales to remain flat for the mini, small bounce for the Mini2 because of price, otherwise mainly flat.

Unless sales for the mini has a large bounce, then by definition, most that want and can buy one, have one.

It's tough to compare the iPT to the Mini because only time will tell. Most consider the iPT to be dead, fewer consider the Mini to be dead. IMO, if Apple kills the Mini, it'll be a better chance for MS/Android to address a proven market need.

I buy because of product much more than because of company. If Nexus or MS/Dell makes a dream 7" or 8" tablet, I'm there.

Back in the old days of Dos, people that went to Apple, did in part because of a better OS (GUI, Drag-n-Drop...) MS responded, not very well, but they did at least make it work ok :D ... this nearly killed Apple.

Some have written off MS, but they still have HUGE resources. Apple needs to stop being like the Apple that almost died.

History repeating itself.
 
Definitely not worth it. But the Air 2 is worth the $100 premium for the 9.7 inch screen, the A8x chip, the 8mp camera, thinner design, and improved display.
 
Prior Minis cannibalized larger IPad sales. So guess what Apple was not going to let happen this go round!
 
AppleRobert said:
Prior Minis cannibalized larger IPad sales. So guess what Apple was not going to let happen this go round!
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Exactly my point, and why I'm pissed. People were given a choice, Apple saw that choice and went against it.

Apple should have given us a Mini3 that was an Air2 but smaller and cheaper. They didn't, and that sucks for us, we need to make it suck for Apple.

Don't buy the Mini3!
 
dannyyankou said:
That's because the iPhone 5s has the secure enclave, while the iPad mini 3 has the secure enclave and the secure element. Whatever that means.
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Found the answer,
http://www.cnet.com/news/everything-you-want-to-know-about-apple-pay/

"Why doesn't Apple Pay work with the iPhone 5S?

iPhone 5S users are probably wondering why their Touch ID doesn't work with Apple Pay. The problem is that the 5S doesn't have the SE chip, so it can't generate the code to transmit your credit or debit card number, even for in-app transactions.

So, even though you have one part of the Apple Pay process covered with your Touch ID, you're missing the most important part: the security of the SE chip."
 
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